Perfection

[2-0-NINE]

I understand what he is saying, but it is irrelevant. The given axiom is that a perfect God exists. To debate on what constitutes God's perfection would be another topic entirely.

It's better to use perfect in this sense, i.e what God does is perfect, the decisions God makes is perfect.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Did god create pain?

Yup, as a punishment to Eve for sinning, he created pain when woman give birth.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

What's your opinion on your own question.

Which question? Are you referring to my original statement in this thread?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

You are supermisleading these people 916.

How so?

 

[2-0-NINE]

Which question? Are you referring to my original statement in this thread?

Yes

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Why cannot this Perfect God create something that is below him, thus making it imperfect, so then he can only be the One True Perfect being in this world or universe.

I am not saying that a perfect God cannot create something below Him, but why does "below Him" = "imperfect"?

 

[HERESY]

i tihnk before u ask a question like that u should have a discussion perfect.

in my opinion, it does not exist. just like normal doesnt exist.

they are degrees of a scale that does not exist. allow me to explain,
we cant comprehend God, and when we try to, we envision a human-like figure. and if all humans are different, there is no such thing as weirdness or perfection, because the notion of NORMAL doesnt exist. only in opinions.

so if we cant ever agree on what perfect is, how can we ask the question is God perfect, especially when comprehending such a being is like imagining a color that doesnt exist. its not possible, which renders the question practically superfluos.

He has a point....

 

[2-0-NINE]

I am not saying that a perfect God cannot create something below Him, but why does "below Him" = "imperfect"?

because his creation Cannot be like him, meaning have Universal Knowledge, and cannot be impervious to damage like God.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Did god create pain?

Assuming that pain is created, yes. God is ultimately responsible for all creation.

If pain is not created, but is eternal, then the issue becomes that of pain being perfect due to it's being eternally sanctioned by a perfect God.

So either way, pain is perfect.

 

[Hutch]

i think the misunderstanding comes in our different connotations and defenitions with the word perfection, because the idea of perfection has been left to humans to decide, which is why i feel it is not valid.

Well said. Take for instance the 'perfect woman'. I can guarantee that what constitutes the perfect woman for me differs from your perfect woman. In most cases, the definition of perfect is subjective.

A question about your earlier posts - if we were all made perfect and imperfections were later created in the form of sins, disobediance etc., then were we really perfect to start with? Doesn't the fact that we all have the capacity to sin or be disobedient mean that we were not, are not currently and will never be perfect?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Yes

Well, if it isn't clear from all of my responses, I agree with the statement wholeheartedly. Everything is perfect being created by a perfect God. I think the common assumption from atheists who use this as an argument is that God creates for His sole intent.

 

[Speedy]

Didn't we create pain by sinning?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

because his creation Cannot be like him, meaning have Universal Knowledge, and cannot be impervious to damage like God.

You are assuming that God's intent was to create something like Him. It should be immediately obvious that this could not possibly be God's intent since God is not created. How can a non-created God intend to create something like Him?

 

[Speedy]

It says in the bible we are created in the image of god.

 

[HERESY]

Well said. Take for instance the 'perfect woman'. I can guarantee that what constitutes the perfect woman for me differs from your perfect woman. In most cases, the definition of perfect is subjective.

A question about your earlier posts - if we were all made perfect and imperfections were later created in the form of sins, disobediance etc., then were we really perfect to start with? Doesn't the fact that we all have the capacity to sin or be disobedient mean that we were not, are not currently and will never be perfect?

I know its not directed at me, but your question goes back to the definition of perfection.

 

[2-0-NINE]

It says in the bible we are created in the image of god.

916 this should answer your question towards me, but Since he wasn't made, he was forever in existence, why isn't he able to make something that may look like him. Not necessarily with the confines of his power, but his image, how we would appear as a physical form.

 

[ilikeballs]

wait ...were we not perfect untill eve ate the apple and then gave it to adam and introduced good and evil to us

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Didn't we create pain by sinning?

Did we? Or did we simply cause to manifest that which already existed dormant?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

916 this should answer your question towards me, but Since he wasn't made, he was forever in existence, why isn't he able to make something that may look like him. Not necessarily with the confines of his power, but his image, how we would appear as a physical form.

When have I said that God is unable to make something that may look like Him?

 

[ilikeballs]

are we not perfectly semetrical