Perfection

[EDJ]

would you consider this the same as disobedience?

SIN CAME THRU THE DISOBEDIENCE, BUT THE FREEWILL WAS THERE. DISOBEDIENCE CAME THRU THE CURIOSITY CAUSED BY THE TRICCERY OF THE ORIgINAL SERPENT. SO IN ESSENCE TO THAT, I WOULD SAY, NO, CAUSE THEN THEY WOULDN'T OF BEEN PERFECT. THEN AgAIN, AT THAT SAME TIME THEY DISOBEYED IS WHEN THEY SINNED.:classic:

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Define perfect.

Well, this is sort of just accepted in the given axiom that a perfect God exists. In the end, God defines perfection.

 

[EDJ]

Ok. But wouldn't creation be perfect regardless of sin? I don't see why sin would make it otherwise.

CAUSE SIN IS MISSIN' THE MARK. AND WHEN ADAM INTRODUCED THAT, EVERYTHANg ELSE WENT DOWNWARD WITH HIM.

 

[2-0-NINE]

SIN CAME THRU THE DISOBEDIENCE, BUT THE FREEWILL WAS THERE. DISOBEDIENCE CAME THRU THE CURIOSITY CAUSED BY THE TRICCERY OF THE ORIgINAL SERPENT. SO IN ESSENCE TO THAT, I WOULD SAY, NO, CAUSE THEN THEY WOULDN'T OF BEEN PERFECT. THEN AgAIN, AT THAT SAME TIME THEY DISOBEYED IS WHEN THEY SINNED.:classic:

I agree with you, but just one slight thing, I think it's the same.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Yes, unless he created us with no mind or free will, but being a Believer of Christ, I think all that God made was perfect, it was upto what he made whether it was corrupted

I understand. Now what if I told you that creation is as perfect as it was before original sin? What would you say to that?

Later, nope never mind it was an on going conversation with Recycled Questions and responses

I don't even remember where we left off. Was it pertaining to hell particularly, or was it the one incarnation versus reincarnation debate?

 

[2-0-NINE]

I understand. Now what if I told you that creation is as perfect as it was before original sin? What would you say to that?

Then I'd agree and there would be no convo about this why? Because we'd still be in the garden of eden Naked.

I don't even remember where we left off. Was it pertaining to hell particularly, or was it the one incarnation versus reincarnation debate?

Nope why the Soul and Spirit are the same

 

[[ n a v ]]

i tihnk before u ask a question like that u should have a discussion perfect.

in my opinion, it does not exist. just like normal doesnt exist.

they are degrees of a scale that does not exist. allow me to explain,
we cant comprehend God, and when we try to, we envision a human-like figure. and if all humans are different, there is no such thing as weirdness or perfection, because the notion of NORMAL doesnt exist. only in opinions.

so if we cant ever agree on what perfect is, how can we ask the question is God perfect, especially when comprehending such a being is like imagining a color that doesnt exist. its not possible, which renders the question practically superfluos.

 

[kingsvillektp]

i think im perfect (not in no conceited way though), and i dont think sin affects our perfectness. its our nature. god made us this way. so why would we be punished for his doings?

 

[2-0-NINE]

NAV'S OPINIONS= SMOOTH POETRY

 

[EDJ]

i think im perfect (not in no conceited way though), and i dont think sin affects our perfectness. its our nature. god made us this way. so why would we be punished for his doings?

YOU NEED TO PIK UP A BIBLE AND EDUCATE YOURSELF.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Then I'd agree and there would be no convo about this why? Because we'd still be in the garden of eden Naked.

I think you may be misunderstanding me. I am not stating that creation is perfect now as it was before Adam and Eve's sin as a hypothetical situation. I am stating it as an assertion pertaining to reality as we know it now. Basically I am saying, creation as it is now with our clothes humans is just as perfect as it was when Adam and Eve were naked.

Nope why the Soul and Spirit are the same

Oh. Ok.

 

[2-0-NINE]

i think im perfect (not in no conceited way though), and i dont think sin affects our perfectness. its our nature. god made us this way. so why would we be punished for his doings?

I don't care what religion, what denomination, or doctrine or dogma you use, everyone knows sin is punishable.

 

[EDJ]

I agree with you, but just one slight thing, I think it's the same.

HOW'S THAT? SO IF YOU DISOBEY A LAW THAT IS NOT JUST AND gOES AgAINST WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS AgAINST (gOD), THAT IS SINNIN'?

 

[Speedy]

YOU NEED TO PIK UP A BIBLE AND EDUCATE YOURSELF.

For real

 

[2-0-NINE]

I think you may be misunderstanding me. I am not stating that creation is perfect now as it was before Adam and Eve's sin as a hypothetical situation. I am stating it as an assertion pertaining to reality as we know it now. Basically I am saying, creation as it is now with our clothes humans is just as perfect as it was when Adam and Eve were naked.

I'm sorry, can you put more emphasis into the bold?

 

[2-0-NINE]

HOW'S THAT? SO IF YOU DISOBEY A LAW THAT IS NOT JUST AND gOES AgAINST WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS AgAINST (gOD), THAT IS SINNIN'?

I see where you're coming from, so sin is the Noun, when disobeying is the verb right?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

i tihnk before u ask a question like that u should have a discussion perfect.

in my opinion, it does not exist. just like normal doesnt exist.

they are degrees of a scale that does not exist. allow me to explain,
we cant comprehend God, and when we try to, we envision a human-like figure. and if all humans are different, there is no such thing as weirdness or perfection, because the notion of NORMAL doesnt exist. only in opinions.

so if we cant ever agree on what perfect is, how can we ask the question is God perfect, especially when comprehending such a being is like imagining a color that doesnt exist. its not possible, which renders the question practically superfluos.

In this case we are not asking whether or not God is perfect. The existence of a perfect God is the given axiom. One does not have to believe in a perfect God. That is why the statement says, "If a perfect God exists".

 

[kingsvillektp]

my brain hurts, im tired, and i have to leave for court at 7:20 to be there by eight. Sorry for sharing but im bored.

 

[[ n a v ]]

well i think a God exists. but i also believe there is only one. so to say he is perfect means i would be comparing him to other Gods. perfection is a comparitive measurement. if theres only one how can it be perfect or unperfect, if he is the only one of his kind.

i think a better question is wether God is omnibenevolent or omnipotent.

 

[2-0-NINE]

well i think a God exists. but i also believe there is only one. so to say he is perfect means i would be comparing him to other Gods. perfection is a comparitive measurement. if theres only one how can it be perfect or unperfect, if he is the only one of his kind.

i think a better question is wether God is omnibenevolent or omnipotent.

well since he is uncomparable because he's the Only God, it makes sense to Call him the Only Perfect since he was in existence before all things. I wouldn't call it so much, a comparative measurement, cause who can compare to One God, and the True God.