Perfection

[n9newunsixx5150]

would it be wrong to call you a God, dickrider?

Define wrong.

 

[kingsvillektp]

but wait... so are you trying to say all these maniacs that kill children and women for fun would also be considered perfect?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Nope. IMO

Why not? What constitute perfection for you?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

exactly my point. he is the only one. to say that this strawberry im eating is the perfect strawberry is to say its taste, size, etc is better than all others. God is God. how can he be the perfect God if there is no seperate normal God for him to be better than.

So then God is, by definition, the standard of perfection.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Why not? What constitute perfection for you?

being without flaws, cannot feel pain, can have senses beyond the basic 5 senses, In terms of a Being, Omni-present and Omnipotent, all knowing.

 

[2-0-NINE]

So then God is, by definition, the standard of perfection.

But you have to understand what Nav is saying, if we call him perfect, what is perfect in that standard.

 

[kingsvillektp]

being without flaws, cannot feel pain, can have senses beyond the basic 5 senses, In terms of a Being, Omni-present and Omnipotent, all knowing.

i know what omni-present is but whats omnipotent?

 

[[ n a v ]]

i think the misunderstanding comes in our different connotations and defenitions with the word perfection, because the idea of perfection has been left to humans to decide, which is why i feel it is not valid.
i agree that God is the one absolute truth, who is the creator, therefor, he is in one sense perfect because all things are from him and he is the origin. so in some degree, all things he creates are perfect, or as i would rather view it, complete or whole as God wished it to be.

 

[2-0-NINE]

i know what omni-present is but whats omnipotent?

If you don't understand a word, read the dictionary. If you all are wondering why I'm posting alot today, It's my day off.

 

[[ n a v ]]

i know what omni-present is but whats omnipotent?

omnipresent - in all places at once
omnipotent - all powerful
omnibenevolent - all good

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

If God is perfect then everything he creates is perfect. Cut and dry. This statement both asks and aswers the same question.

Yes.

Even with humans. Because humans are given free will, even in sin we are perfect because we are acting in accordance with the way we were created.

This is assuming that we are the beings who are created. If we are not created then it follows that the human way of sinful activity is not in accordance with how *we* were created.

This however, begs the question; If everything God creates is perfect, and we were created by God, then we too are perfect, and everything we create must also be perfect. Thus everything, every object, every living organism, every spec of matter that makes up this universe is perfect. Tihs fuxing grmmar iz prfct.

Well, for one, if we are not created then our perfection has nothing to do with creation. But that aside, I agree that everything is perfect.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Give us your emphasis first.

I'm not sure what you are asking for.

 

[2-0-NINE]

I'm not sure what you are asking for.

What's your opinion on your own question.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

but wait... so are you trying to say all these maniacs that kill children and women for fun would also be considered perfect?

Yes. Though what we have yet to discuss is the intent of which there is creation. Although a perfect God only creates perfect things, this says nothing about the intent in which anything is created. If we assume that God had His own sole Personal intent for creation, then we have to admit that God intended for the killing of children and women. Otherwise, if God created for the intent of lesser beings, then the seeming imperfection of brutal murder, rape, etc. becomes merely a reflection of those lesser beings' desires.

I hope you follow in all that.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Yes. Though what we have yet to discuss is the intent of which there is creation. Although a perfect God only creates perfect things, this says nothing about the intent in which anything is created. If we assume that God had His own sole Personal intent for creation, then we have to admit that God intended for the killing of children and women. Otherwise, if God created for the intent of lesser beings, then the seeming imperfection of brutal murder, rape, etc. becomes merely a reflection of those lesser beings' desires.

I hope you follow in all that.

You are supermisleading these people 916.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

being without flaws, cannot feel pain, can have senses beyond the basic 5 senses, In terms of a Being, Omni-present and Omnipotent, all knowing.

If a perfect God creates pain, isn't that perfect?

 

[2-0-NINE]

If a perfect God creates pain, isn't that perfect?

Why cannot this Perfect God create something that is below him, thus making it imperfect, so then he can only be the One True Perfect being in this world or universe.

 

[Speedy]

If a perfect God creates pain, isn't that perfect?

Did god create pain?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

But you have to understand what Nav is saying, if we call him perfect, what is perfect in that standard.

I understand what he is saying, but it is irrelevant. The given axiom is that a perfect God exists. To debate on what constitutes God's perfection would be another topic entirely.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

i think the misunderstanding comes in our different connotations and defenitions with the word perfection, because the idea of perfection has been left to humans to decide, which is why i feel it is not valid.
i agree that God is the one absolute truth, who is the creator, therefor, he is in one sense perfect because all things are from him and he is the origin. so in some degree, all things he creates are perfect, or as i would rather view it, complete or whole as God wished it to be.

However we look at perfection, that is another thing. So far as this topic is concerned, the given axiom is that a perfect God exists.