Perfection

[2-0-NINE]

You mind explaining your thoughts?

 

[HERESY]

Ok look. Lets take Gold for example. When gold is usually found it usually has to be melted and heated over and over so the crap stuff can float to the top and so the good part remains. Take pearls for example. They just don't exist but they come from the sand or whatever that irritates oysters or clams (whichever one they come from.) In both instances something has to undergo a change so something valuable can come from it.

See, we may view perfection as something we start out with or should start out with, but for us humans perfection can be a state of evolving and refinement, and I don't mean by reincarnation or evolution. What I mean is we have to go through certain things, experience certain things to the point where God sees we are ready to be changed (because he is the one who is going to change us.) Think about gold and pearls again.

One person may see perfection as something we start out with and ask, "why did god do this if...", but true perfection for us may not be something that just is (in regards to us.) It can be Gods glory and how we will be made better when it is time.

 

[2-0-NINE]

in the state of evolving or refinement, you mean in terms of our physical selves?

 

[2-0-NINE]

Or spiritual?

 

[HERESY]

Both, and the reason why I say both is because we will be given a new body when the time is right and because we are currently fighting what our bodies crave. As far as spiritual that is spiritual refinement also and you can think of it in terms of a child and food. Does a child just all of a sudden eat meat? No. Now think about this. You believe God has a plan for believers right? Have believers attainted this perfection? No, this is why perfection may be a process for us.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Both, and the reason why I say both is because we will be given a new body when the time is right and because we are currently fighting what our bodies crave.

The Transfigured body we recieve when Jesus comes, and flesh against spirit got cha.

Now think about this. You believe God has a plan for believers right? Have believers attainted this perfection? No, this is why perfection may be a process for us.

Understood

 

[HERESY]

You understand.:classic:

 

[2-0-NINE]

*in a little kids voice* YAAAAY!!!! LOL

 

[[ n a v ]]

impressive.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Ok look. Lets take Gold for example. When gold is usually found it usually has to be melted and heated over and over so the crap stuff can float to the top and so the good part remains. Take pearls for example. They just don't exist but they come from the sand or whatever that irritates oysters or clams (whichever one they come from.) In both instances something has to undergo a change so something valuable can come from it.

See, we may view perfection as something we start out with or should start out with, but for us humans perfection can be a state of evolving and refinement, and I don't mean by reincarnation or evolution. What I mean is we have to go through certain things, experience certain things to the point where God sees we are ready to be changed (because he is the one who is going to change us.) Think about gold and pearls again.

One person may see perfection as something we start out with and ask, "why did god do this if...", but true perfection for us may not be something that just is (in regards to us.) It can be Gods glory and how we will be made better when it is time.

I think this goes back to simply having conviction in the perfection that is God.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Stockton,

You said something earlier about my supermisleading people. Could you elaborate on that?

 

[2-0-NINE]

Stockton,

You said something earlier about my supermisleading people. Could you elaborate on that?

Originally Posted by n9newunsixx5150
Yes. Though what we have yet to discuss is the intent of which there is creation. Although a perfect God only creates perfect things, this says nothing about the intent in which anything is created. If we assume that God had His own sole Personal intent for creation, then we have to admit that God intended for the killing of children and women. Otherwise, if God created for the intent of lesser beings, then the seeming imperfection of brutal murder, rape, etc. becomes merely a reflection of those lesser beings' desires.

I hope you follow in all that.

Because you're implying that God created us to kill men.

 

[ilikeballs]

we have free will...god can only guide us to the door... he can't make us walk thru it

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Because you're implying that God created us to kill men.

Actually, I am not. I am saying that God does not create for His sole intent. Creation exists for lesser beings. The fact that killing is done is an example of poor use of free will. I am not saying that this poor use is good, but I am saying that it as well as the punishment that results are perfect.

 

[XxtraMannish]

If a perfect God exists, then all things created by Him/Her are perfect.





Your thoughts?

Unless God is not perfect.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Unless God is not perfect.

This has nothing to do with this thread since the condition is that a perfect God exists.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Wrap your minds around this...

God dislikes many things that go on in creation, yet creation is perfect.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Wrap your minds around this...

God dislikes many things that go on in creation, yet creation is perfect.

To be circumsized or not, that is the question of cleanliness!!!!

 

[kingsvillektp]

i got circumsized... twice because i got a big one hoe! lmao...

 

[XxtraMannish]

This has nothing to do with this thread since the condition is that a perfect God exists.

True. But would a perfect God be perfect if he created something imperfect on purpose?