Pacquiao vs Marquez REMATCH 3/15!! [not official]

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#81
Why didn't you state that Pacquiao's cut was caused by a punch and Marquez's by head butts?
marquez's initial wound from the headbut was like half an inch long, manny's fists and the shitty cutman did the rest of the redecorating of marquez's eye.

manny had cuts from the headbuts also, but his were on the top of his head.

one was a lefty one was right handed.....shit is gonna happen regardless, so to cry about it is insane. that's like playing football on the freeway, then gettin mad cause you got hit by a car.
 
Apr 25, 2002
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LOL at mufuckas thinkin marquez got robbed...if yall really been watching boxing that long yall should know how shit goes. good fight none the less and i too think it couldve went either way but i dont see how the fuck that judge scored 115-112 marquez when he back peddlin the whole fight. he hit pac wit some clean punches but never had him hurt. marquez was almost lights out twice in the fight and damn near did a back roll in the 3rd LOL. we all know marquez didnt want it toe to toe he's a counter puncher and if he did go toe to toe he wouldve went to sleep. LOL at walkin to pac's corner after the third round.
 
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#85
Wow...this is funny.

Marquez is, by nature, a counter puncher. He doesn't have the knockout power that Manny has. Why would he walk into a punch, or mix it up? To keep the Siccness happy? LOL...how stupid. Seriously.

To say he was ''running'' the whole fight is comedy, plain and simple.

I can honestly say, as a Marquez fan, that I understand the decision, although I KNOW it's not right. Pacman was supposed to run all over him, demolish him, etc...and the fight was fought, for the most part, in Marquez' style. LOL @ him ''back peddling'' the whole fight; must have been watching a different fight than I was.
 
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#86
Pacuiao just took out Mexico LOL......Barrera, Morales, Marquez...Mayweather is probably P4P to most of the world but this Muthafucka Manny Fights the best fighters boxing has to offer, case in point, Juan Marquez.
 
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#87
Yeah. No.

Morales and Barrera, yes. But Marquez...a controversial decision doesn't mean he ''took out'' shit...it's like, if your mom said I was the daddy, and I told Maury that I wasn't...does that mean I don't have to pay child support?
 
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Wow...this is funny.

Marquez is, by nature, a counter puncher. He doesn't have the knockout power that Manny has. Why would he walk into a punch, or mix it up? To keep the Siccness happy? LOL...how stupid. Seriously.

To say he was ''running'' the whole fight is comedy, plain and simple.

I can honestly say, as a Marquez fan, that I understand the decision, although I KNOW it's not right. Pacman was supposed to run all over him, demolish him, etc...and the fight was fought, for the most part, in Marquez' style. LOL @ him ''back peddling'' the whole fight; must have been watching a different fight than I was.
none of the boxing analyst i've heard before the fight happened thought pacquiao would dominate or demolish him. pac was only a 2 to 1 favor and that's simply because of how the public places there bet's in vegas. LOL i just like to laugh at how butthurt my mexican folks is gettin over pac straight dominatin yall the passed couple years. don't hate congradulate yall have had many mexican champs through the years.
 
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and yall know pac was ripped off the first fight right? one of the judges scored the first round wrong which would have had manny up on the cards once again by one point, but you didnt hear him whinin like marquez after the fight. i dont respect marquez as much as barrera and morales, mufucka don't know how to lose.
 
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and yall know pac was ripped off the first fight right? one of the judges scored the first round wrong which would have had manny up on the cards once again by one point, but you didnt hear him whinin like marquez after the fight. i dont respect marquez as much as barrera and morales, mufucka don't know how to lose.
I understand that judges mistake; I didn't understand how it was even a draw after watching the entire fight over and over again.

I though, besides the first round, Marquez ''almost'' dominated the fight...as far as winning 9 out of 11 of the next rounds, but that's just me.

And if you say that Pacquiao doesn't wine...

WOW.

You are missing something.

Whining about the money, or lack thereof, because he's the ''bigger name''...whining about the gloves (8 oz vs 10 oz), whining about Barerra fighting rough with him...LOL.

He wasn't ''whining'' (Marquez), IMO; he thought he won the fight, and wanted to let people know that. I'd rather have that then him just accept the decision even if he doesn't agree and be content with it.
 
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#93
none of the boxing analyst i've heard before the fight happened thought pacquiao would dominate or demolish him. pac was only a 2 to 1 favor and that's simply because of how the public places there bet's in vegas. LOL i just like to laugh at how butthurt my mexican folks is gettin over pac straight dominatin yall the passed couple years. don't hate congradulate yall have had many mexican champs through the years.
See, this is where you lose any amount of respect that I'm ''supposed'' to give in a friendly debate.

Pacquiao didn't dominate me; he didn't dominate your ''mexican folks''...he dominated other fighters, some of whom I'm fans of, some of whom I'm not. I'm a Pacquiao fan; he's a great fighter, and an incredible phenom to watch. True, Marquez and Morales are 2 of my favorite fighters of all time, but I can't stand Barerra. I was happy he got demolished. But really...more than anything, I'm a boxing fan. I love a great fight. I may root for a fighter, and hope he wins, but if he loses, that's fine by me; I can accept that.

Erik Morales barely beat Pacquaio the first time around, and was demolished 2 times after that. So? I'm not crying over it. I wish it had gone the other way, but Pacquiao was/is too much for him at this time...

All in all...I can be fair and unbiased with this shit, so you're off you're bullshit lumping of all Mexicans into a bunch.
 
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#94
all that extra shit should stop, no need to get all pissed off over a fight.

On a side note, I'd like to point out that round 3 could have easily been a 10-7 round, since Marquez technically held onto the rope after getting hit. This was shortly after the first knockdown.

I'm not arguing that THIS IS WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED, I'm just sayin that some refs would have called this a knock down. this gif isn't mine, cuz if it was it would be much clearer, but you get the idea:

 
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#97
I know, and I'm not really into all the bullshit arguing, just making a point.

I do know that I'd like to see another fight...and I don't care if they've fought 25 times already, I want to see Rafa fight Israel again.
 
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#98
you got the whining misunderstood mayn i'm talkin bout whining about losing the fight not all the extra shit. that mexican comment wasnt directed towards you at all i got a gang of mexican potnas and all im sayin is they hatin on pac right now cuz he beat the top 3 mexican fighters in they weight class the passed couple. when a pro boxer want more money that aint whinin that's business.
 
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#99
Boxing is my favorite sport too and I've been watching it since I was in the single digits, but this is besides the point and doesn't really prove anything.
I brought it up because you gave me the ABC's scoring criteria. Something that I am very familiar with.


I dunno man, that's my take on the round. He seemed to be busier and Marquez was constantly backpedaling. Plus, if you re-watch the round, watch how many times Pacquiao blocks Marquez' punches. He performed better in that category as well. At best for Marquez it's a 10-10 round.
The way I look at it, it was a feel out round for both fighters.
A round where no one seemed to dominate and fully emerge as the winner.
Again the only significant moment came when Marquez landed his right.
But I am not surprised that a few like Harold Ledderman scored the round for Pacquiao, I'm always at odds with his scoring. I had a feeling he would score it for Pacquiao, but I was very certain that Pacquiao supporters would score it for their fighter. That's just the nature of the beast, when ever in doubt people will always score in their favor.

Marquez lands one clean shot, Pacquaio lands a two to three (although not as solid as Marquez' one shot).
Thing is, it was far from that. It was far from a 2-1 edge in punches scored, a 3-1 edge isn't even worth mentioning.

And Lederman gave round 12 to pacquaio! We're talkin bout my scores.
Which says a lot about his scoring.
I think only Ledderman and Duane Ford (who scored the fight 115-112 for Pacquiao) are the only people in the planet who gave Pacquiao the final round. I find it very perplexing that anyone could see round 12 in Pacquiao's favor. Why do I mention this? Because it's the same case with round 11.
Round 1 is one thing, a close round, but 12 and 11? It boggles my mind....

I don't think this is a case of a broken system, it was just a really close fight (like Cotto/Mosley) which certain rounds, and/or the really close rounds, could go either way.

But my main problem is with people calling this fight a robbery, or clearly a win for Marquez when in my opinion, it was very, very close (I would have had it a draw if not for the KD).
The interesting thing about that is that I scored that fight in favor of Cotto for two or three points. Now scoring wise, that's a close decision. But I would argue that it doesn't necessarily mean the outcome was tough to decide. Cotto clearly won that fight.
Which is exactly the same way I had Marquez winning this fight,
a clear victory. Matter of fact, I scored Morales VS Pacquiao I in Eric's favor by three points. The difference there was that Morales never went down, but threw away the final round making an otherwise comfortable win; a closer one in the score cards.
Had Marquez not gone down in the 3rd round, he would've won on my card by a comfortable margin.
So he went down, one knock down was not enough to steal the victory, not when Pacquiao was trailing behind on my card and did very little in the championship rounds.

And that's why I'm sticking to my guns. Score the fight a draw, (Although difficult to pull off because of the knock down taken into consideration. You would have to score one of Pacquiao's rounds even in order for that to happen), and I'd label this a bad decision.
But an actual victory for Pacquiao is robbery in my book....
 
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marquez's initial wound from the headbut was like half an inch long, manny's fists and the shitty cutman did the rest of the redecorating of marquez's eye.

manny had cuts from the headbuts also, but his were on the top of his head.

one was a lefty one was right handed.....shit is gonna happen regardless, so to cry about it is insane. that's like playing football on the freeway, then gettin mad cause you got hit by a car.
:rolleyes:

And you're telling me what?
Quick question, had the fight been stopped because of the cut on Marquez's eye, would it be a TKO for Pacquiao, or would they have to go to the score cards?