Pacquiao vs Marquez REMATCH 3/15!! [not official]

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I brought it up because you gave me the ABC's scoring criteria. Something that I am very familiar with.



The way I look at it, it was a feel out round for both fighters.
A round where no one seemed to dominate and fully emerge as the winner.
Again the only significant moment came when Marquez landed his right.
But I am not surprised that a few like Harold Ledderman scored the round for Pacquiao, I'm always at odds with his scoring. I had a feeling he would score it for Pacquiao, but I was very certain that Pacquiao supporters would score it for their fighter. That's just the nature of the beast, when ever in doubt people will always score in their favor.


Thing is, it was far from that. It was far from a 2-1 edge in punches scored, a 3-1 edge isn't even worth mentioning.


Which says a lot about his scoring.
I think only Ledderman and Duane Ford (who scored the fight 115-112 for Pacquiao) are the only people in the planet who gave Pacquiao the final round. I find it very perplexing that anyone could see round 12 in Pacquiao's favor. Why do I mention this? Because it's the same case with round 11.
Round 1 is one thing, a close round, but 12 and 11? It boggles my mind....


The interesting thing about that is that I scored that fight in favor of Cotto for two or three points. Now scoring wise, that's a close decision. But I would argue that it doesn't necessarily mean the outcome was tough to decide. Cotto clearly won that fight.
Which is exactly the same way I had Marquez winning this fight,
a clear victory. Matter of fact, I scored Morales VS Pacquiao I in Eric's favor by three points. The difference there was that Morales never went down, but threw away the final round making an otherwise comfortable win; a closer one in the score cards.
Had Marquez not gone down in the 3rd round, he would've won on my card by a comfortable margin.
So he went down, one knock down was not enough to steal the victory, not when Pacquiao was trailing behind on my card and did very little in the championship rounds.

And that's why I'm sticking to my guns. Score the fight a draw, (Although difficult to pull off because of the knock down taken into consideration. You would have to score one of Pacquiao's rounds even in order for that to happen), and I'd label this a bad decision.
But an actual victory for Pacquiao is robbery in my book....
I'm tired of this topic, so we'll just have to agree to disagree, although I still will say using the term robbery to describe the outcome of this fight is not right at all.

Regardless, what I want to see now (if not a rematch) is Pacquiao fight whoever he wants at 135 and leave the division, which will make Marquez #1 at 130, and Joan Guzman #2 and the belt will be vacant. So, the only logical move is for them to fight (assuming Marquez wants that title), and he will lose to Guzman. Guzman becomes champ. From there, Pacquiao can fight Guzman, at either weight 130/135, makes no difference to me, he will lose too. Guzman P4P champ.
 
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Thats a dope ass gif 2-0 !

Perfectly timed overhand left...had him woozy afterwards. And I also wondered why that wasn't ruled a knockdown when he grabbed the ropes. Clearly he would have went down.

A knockdown occurs when a boxer, after being hit by his opponent: 1) touches the ring floor with some part of his body other than the feet; 2) has any part of his body outside the ropes; 3) is hanging on the ropes helplessly; or 4) is judged to be in a semi-conscious state and unable to continue fighting.
 
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Marquez got ROBBED and that's it. I can't believe he didn't at least get the draw, being the champion and all. Bull shit, the only reason they gave Pac the decision is to not fuck up future fights to make more money using Pac's popularity. This should be obvious to anyone who is sane...


WTFDTMAGR: Why The Fuck Does The Mexican Always Get Robbed!
^^^ Ummm... I thought Pacquiao got ROBBED the first match they fought. Ain't no Mexican always gettin robbed. Get the fuck outta here with that shit.

And as far as the bouts versus Morales, Barrera, Larios & Velasquez, he whooped the shit out of them CLEARLY with the exception of the first fight with Morales. That was a close fight but I believe Morales won the fight in which he did.

This Pacquiao/Marquez fight was a close fight. Any decision would've been acceptable whether it was a win for Pacquia, a win for Marquez, or a draw.

The way I see it now, shit it just evens everything out from the first fight. Cleary Pacquiao should've won the first fight and I saw this second fight as a draw.
 
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^^^ Ummm... I thought Pacquiao got ROBBED the first match they fought. Ain't no Mexican always gettin robbed. Get the fuck outta here with that shit.

And as far as the bouts versus Morales, Barrera, Larios & Velasquez, he whooped the shit out of them CLEARLY with the exception of the first fight with Morales. That was a close fight but I believe Morales won the fight in which he did.

This Pacquiao/Marquez fight was a close fight. Any decision would've been acceptable whether it was a win for Pacquia, a win for Marquez, or a draw.
The way I see it now, shit it just evens everything out from the first fight. Cleary Pacquiao should've won the first fight and I saw this second fight as a draw.


The bold is what I agree with...

I don't see how Pacquiao ''clearly'' won the first fight; that's a matter of opinion. My opinion is that he was lucky with the draw; after the first round, with the exception of maybe 1-2 rounds, I had Marquez winning the fight.

But that's opinion; and I think Marquez won this last fight, but I also can understand the decision, and I'm fine with it. I just want another fight.
 
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technically one of the judges admitted he fucked up on the scoring which would have resulted in pac winning. Now that's someting about boxing I don't understand. You'd think maybe if a judge admits wrong, they would change the results, but I'm sure it has to do with the fact a lot of money is being bet on boxing, idk.

Both were close fights. Honestly though, I don't remember the last time I've seen two fights back to back this close before. I mean could have had two draws in two fights. It's about as even as a match up as it gets.
 
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I'm tired of this topic, so we'll just have to agree to disagree, although I still will say using the term robbery to describe the outcome of this fight is not right at all.

Regardless, what I want to see now (if not a rematch) is Pacquiao fight whoever he wants at 135 and leave the division, which will make Marquez #1 at 130, and Joan Guzman #2 and the belt will be vacant. So, the only logical move is for them to fight (assuming Marquez wants that title), and he will lose to Guzman. Guzman becomes champ. From there, Pacquiao can fight Guzman, at either weight 130/135, makes no difference to me, he will lose too. Guzman P4P champ.
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up....

Anyways, the WBC has already named Marquez the number one contender at 130lbs. I don't see Pacquiao coming back down (unless something goes horribly wrong in his fight against Diaz), so Marquez will have to chase him up to 135lbs if they're ever to fight.

Pacquiao will pretty much beat the sacrificial lamb named Diaz.
However, he's going to have a hard time against the likes of Casamayor, Katsidis, Campbell, Juan Diaz, etc.
Speaking about Katsidis, if he's to get past Casamayor this Saturday; what a war it would be if him and Paquiao got in the same ring....
 
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Yeah, that pretty much sums it up....

Anyways, the WBC has already named Marquez the number one contender at 130lbs. I don't see Pacquiao coming back down (unless something goes horribly wrong in his fight against Diaz), so Marquez will have to chase him up to 135lbs if they're ever to fight.

Pacquiao will pretty much beat the sacrificial lamb named Diaz.
However, he's going to have a hard time against the likes of Casamayor, Katsidis, Campbell, Juan Diaz, etc.
Speaking about Katsidis, if he's to get past Casamayor this Saturday; what a war it would be if him and Paquiao got in the same ring....
I'd love to see Pacquiao knock Casamawhore into the 5th row; I hate that faggot.

And I'd like to see him and Diaz, actually...

Oh, I keep forgetting...


LOL @ "Putiao"...
 
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^^^ Ummm... I thought Pacquiao got ROBBED the first match they fought. Ain't no Mexican always gettin robbed. Get the fuck outta here with that shit.

And as far as the bouts versus Morales, Barrera, Larios & Velasquez, he whooped the shit out of them CLEARLY with the exception of the first fight with Morales. That was a close fight but I believe Morales won the fight in which he did.

This Pacquiao/Marquez fight was a close fight. Any decision would've been acceptable whether it was a win for Pacquia, a win for Marquez, or a draw.

The way I see it now, shit it just evens everything out from the first fight. Cleary Pacquiao should've won the first fight and I saw this second fight as a draw.
LOL, I was being sarcastic homie. At least about the Mexicans always getting robbed (although they have been robbed plenty of times in the past), but I really did think that it was at least a draw, if not a win for Marquez. I agree with you that Pac won the first fight, it was a clearer and more decisive win than this "win".
 
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Pacquiao will pretty much beat the sacrificial lamb named Diaz.
However, he's going to have a hard time against the likes of Casamayor, Katsidis, Campbell, Juan Diaz, etc.
Speaking about Katsidis, if he's to get past Casamayor this Saturday; what a war it would be if him and Paquiao got in the same ring....
I think Pac stacks up pretty well against most of those guys, Campbell and Diaz being the biggest problem, but I don't think Katsidis could beat Pac, nor could Casamayor (not anymore anyways).

@REdRUM, tell me why I hate Casamayor again? lol, I cant stand this guy and I'm sure there must be a reason for it but I cant think of it right now. Maybe its because I was such a big fan of Chico, I don't know. But I'm also hoping Katsidis fucks him up, lots of people are trying to say Katsidis is the "new Gatti" because of the wars he gets into. We'll see
 
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I think Pac stacks up pretty well against most of those guys, Campbell and Diaz being the biggest problem, but I don't think Katsidis could beat Pac, nor could Casamayor (not anymore anyways).

@REdRUM, tell me why I hate Casamayor again? lol, I cant stand this guy and I'm sure there must be a reason for it but I cant think of it right now. Maybe its because I was such a big fan of Chico, I don't know. But I'm also hoping Katsidis fucks him up, lots of people are trying to say Katsidis is the "new Gatti" because of the wars he gets into. We'll see
You know, I think being a huge Corrales fan has something to do with it, and also the shit he used to talk about Chico, and the disrespect he showed Castillo in an interview I saw...

I'd like to see a brutal KO...seriously. I mean like...where he has convulsions and foams at the mouth, and as they take him out on a stretcher, the legs collapse and he falls onto the pavement...and after they cut to a commercial, a swinging door hits him on the top of the head.
 

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I am a little late on this debate y'all because I didn't order the fight and I just seen the replay on HBO.

I agree with 206... this was a great fight. Marquez is a great counter puncher. But I scored the fight in favor of Pac-Man by two points. That knockdown in the third round is what won Pac-Man the fight. Marquez landed some really good shots and so did Pac-Man. If Pac-Man didn't score the knockdown then it would have been a draw. But there's no way Marquez got robbed though. It was a close fight but Pac barely won.
 
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was at that fight. the fans deserve a third fight.
Well I think after Manny sees these numbers, there just might be.......




Pacquiao-JMM Pay-per-view bout hits record $20M most likely will reach 500k PPV Buys


By Joaquin Henson
Monday, March 24, 2008


From early indications, it looks like the US pay-per-view sales for Manny Pacquiao’s win over Juan Manuel Marquez will exceed 400,000 hits – the most ever in a fight involving the Filipino icon, establishing his stature as a major player in the multi-million dollar boxing market.

Pacquaio’s adviser Michael Koncz said yesterday Top Rank chairman Bob Arum couldn’t be happier with the results.

“We’re tracking 400,000 hits right now and the figures aren’t final yet,” said Koncz. “I’m not sure if we’ll reach 500,000 but going beyond 400,000 is already a major achievement for Manny. It’s the largest pay-per-view audience for any of his fights, more than his three bouts with (Erik) Morales and two with (Marco Antonio) Barrera.”

The 400,000 hits translate to $20 million in revenues with Pacquiao to get a share of at least $2 million added to his guaranteed purse of over $5 million. The gate of over 11,000 fans kicked in income of $3.3 million.