Pacquiao vs Marquez REMATCH 3/15!! [not official]

[Lamberto Quintero]

^^Maybe it's because ur Mexican you think Marquez won!

LOL, I'm tired of seeing Pacman fuck up every Mexican that steps in the ring. But, look at that fools face after the fight and tell me he looked like he won the fight. The only real damage he did to Marquez (aside from the KD) was the headbutt which was bull shit too. The headbutt changed the momentum of the fight and Manny worked on the cut the rest of the fight.

Pac didn't dominate though, and it was a close fight. I honestly believe that Marquez did get robbed though...

 

[2-0-Sixx]

LOL, I'm tired of seeing Pacman fuck up every Mexican that steps in the ring. But, look at that fools face after the fight and tell me he looked like he won the fight.

Both their faces looked like they just went threw a hell of a fight.

The only real damage he did to Marquez (aside from the KD) was the headbutt which was bull shit too. The headbutt changed the momentum of the fight and Manny worked on the cut the rest of the fight.

Actually there were two cuts on Marquez' eye. One was on the upper brow, caused by the headbutt, the second, which was the worse of the cut, was lower and caused by a left hand. It looked like the two cuts eventually joined forces and created a super cut though, lol, nasty as fuck

Pacquiao also had a bad cut that effected the fight (at least the 8th round anyways) so I think it was an eye for an eye.

Pac didn't dominate though, and it was a close fight.

It was an extremely close fight, which is why I find it hard to believe people would call it a robbery. I mean really, the knockdown was the difference in the fight. Or one or two rounds could have gone either way. Far from a robbery though.

This was really close, similar to that of Cotto vs Mosley (which I scored a draw) but I couldn't get mad at a decision for cotto, or it were a decision for Mosley because it was that close.

I understand if you feel Marquez won, that's cool I can see how people could score a point or maybe two in favor of Marquez, but I don't like the term robbery in such a close fight (which the judges scorecards indicated). A robbery is Roy Jones jr losing in the olympics or Casamayor vs Santa Cruz or Shannon Briggs over Foreman, etc.

Now if the judges scored a UD for pacquaio and it was like 118-110 across the board, I'd agree, but one single point separated the two men

 

[REdRUM]

Exactly...I had Marquez. He didn't dominate Pacquiao, but he wasn't dominated, either. The final tally gave Pacquiao the fight because of that knockdown, so how can you knock that? I can see it, completely and totally. The 'robbery' term is used too loosely, IMO, and gets old after a while.

I don't like the decision, but I can understand it, too. The 2-3 close rounds that I may have given to Marquez...maybe go to Pacquiao. That's life...

 

[MOREBASS]

Great fight. I thought it could've went either way. But surely, the knockdown, being the only knockdown in the fight had a tremendous effect on the outcome of the fight.

No way in hell that was a robbery. It was a great fight, and of course if the guy you were rooting for didn't get the nod...you're going to question the decision.

Thats boxing...

Pacquiao and his camp did not even protest the result of the first fight, even though the judge acknowledged that he made a mistake when scoring the first round that would have given Pac Man the win instead of the draw in their first fight.

 

[SouthSanDago]

Marquez needs to find a cut man. Did u see how Nacho was treating the cut, very sloppy, looked like he didn't even know how to handle a cut. Looked like he was finger painting on Marquez's forehead with the mixture of blood and vaseline.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

Both their faces looked like they just went threw a hell of a fight.

Actually there were two cuts on Marquez' eye. One was on the upper brow, caused by the headbutt, the second, which was the worse of the cut, was lower and caused by a left hand. It looked like the two cuts eventually joined forces and created a super cut though, lol, nasty as fuck

Pacquiao also had a bad cut that effected the fight (at least the 8th round anyways) so I think it was an eye for an eye.



It was an extremely close fight, which is why I find it hard to believe people would call it a robbery. I mean really, the knockdown was the difference in the fight. Or one or two rounds could have gone either way. Far from a robbery though.

This was really close, similar to that of Cotto vs Mosley (which I scored a draw) but I couldn't get mad at a decision for cotto, or it were a decision for Mosley because it was that close.

I understand if you feel Marquez won, that's cool I can see how people could score a point or maybe two in favor of Marquez, but I don't like the term robbery in such a close fight (which the judges scorecards indicated). A robbery is Roy Jones jr losing in the olympics or Casamayor vs Santa Cruz or Shannon Briggs over Foreman, etc.

Now if the judges scored a UD for pacquaio and it was like 118-110 across the board, I'd agree, but one single point separated the two men

You're right man, calling it a robbery is not very accurate. Although I do feel Marquez won the fight, I clearly see evidence supporting the opposite. I'm just glad it was such a great fight and that both fighters left their heart in the ring...

 

[REdRUM]

LOL

And who voted for Marquez by decision after the fight??? I just noticed that...I swear there were 7 votes for that last night.

LOL

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Marquez needs to find a cut man. Did u see how Nacho was treating the cut, very sloppy, looked like he didn't even know how to handle a cut. Looked like he was finger painting on Marquez's forehead with the mixture of blood and vaseline.

I actually made a gif of that:

 

[REdRUM]

That was one ugly cut...shit.

 

[martin_07n]

I think if Marquez would of pressured him more; like his corner told him to do so, he would of won the fight.

 

[MooreBlock530]

good fight overall cant knock the outcome......

 

[MacRyzle]

I'm one of the biggest Pac fans there is and I thought Marquez won. I scored the fight 114-113 Marquez. Too bad there WON'T be a re-match.

I'm thinking this was probably a mke-up call from the first fight. If anything they should of made it another draw so we can see a part 3.

 

[BETO916]

great fight....I thought manny came out timid as hell, but once he got tapped a few times, came out of his shell and really put hands on dude.

The amount of punches & jabs he hit marquez with were in the hundreds. marquez hit pacman with a few clean ones, but the only one that hurt manny was the one that cut his eye open. the rest were nothin'

got to give manny's cutman half the winnings. that shit was LEAKIN the whole round, but then between rounds WALLAH....no more bleeding. marguez's dude was stuffin' shoelaces, manteca, tampons....anything he could into the wound to stop the madness, but that shit just kept gettin bigger and bigger.

I dont know what the 1st judge was smokin to give marquez a 115-112 (or was it 113) advantage.....there was no way he could have had that score....NO FRIGGIN WAY.

marquez was shook and he refused to get inside to mix it up. dude ran the whole fight. even when he had pacman hurt with that cut and he couldnt see....dude had NO killer instinct and let pacman escape that round only to have pacman come back and split marquez' wig.

its a wrap for dude.

 

[miggidy]

Awesome fight!!
And miggidy, ur waaaaaaay off on your scoring, 4 or 5 rounds marquez a head? seriously? no way man, no way. i can see maaaybe one round a head for marquez, but thats it. You must be scoring on clean punches being landed only, but there is more criteria to score a fight like ring generalship and effective aggression. Plus, Marquez was doing chicken dances/Zab Judah impressions on several occasions, Pac was stunned a couple times (especially in the 2nd) but not like that!!

I only gave Pacquiao 3 rounds (4 rounds tops, 5 rounds and you're stretching it). The only three rounds where he clearly won.
Other than that, there were a couple of rounds that you can say could have gone either way. But there were at least 6 rounds where Marquez clearly won. That's six rounds to three for Pacquiao.
To give Pacquiao 6 rounds would mean that you gave him the benefit of the doubt in the close rounds. Let me ask you this, how did you score round one?

Moving on, the judge who had Pacquiao up 115-112 was way off.
And I think it's interesting that Pacquiao had clinched the win after the 10th round on two of the judges score cards. So the championship rounds meant nothing in the end. Championship rounds where Marquez showed his class and dominance over Pacquiao by taking both rounds against his younger opponent.
There were a lot of telling moments before, during, and after the fight.
Like the HBO crew giving Pacquiao credit for punches he was clearly missing. Pacquiao's defeated look after the final round. Freddy Roach's negative assessment of Pacquiao's performance and admitted the fight could have gone either way (which basically means admitted defeat).
Pacquiao's immediate refusal of a rematch. The late replacement judge who handed Pacquiao the victory by a single point. And of coarse, the large majority of people who thought Marquez won both live and at home.

I simply saw Marquez dominate Pacquiao for the most part. The only time Pacquiao clearly won any rounds were rounds where he hurt Marquez. But that was just a very few. Two or three rounds off the top of my head.
And some youngans here claim Marquez's ring generalship was running?
How in the world can a fighter land more punches, land the harder and cleaner punches while running? Ignorance is a bliss. This is prize fighting, not the tough man contest....

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I only gave Pacquiao 3 rounds (4 rounds tops, 5 rounds and you're stretching it). The only three rounds where he clearly won.
Other than that, there were a couple of rounds that you can say could have gone either way. But there were at least 6 rounds where Marquez clearly won. That's six rounds to three for Pacquiao.
To give Pacquiao 6 rounds would mean that you gave him the benefit of the doubt in the close rounds. Let me ask you this, how did you score round one?

6 rounds for Marquez, 6 rounds for Pacman. Knockdown being the difference. I broke the fight down round-by-round here (along with a few animated gifs created by yours truly):
http://www.siccness.net/vb/showpost.php?p=3530979&postcount=58

There were a couple of rounds that could have gone either way and I gave one of those to Marquez, one to Pacman.

 

[miggidy]

Yeah I just saw your score card, you gave Pacquiao the first round.
And that pretty much explains the rest of your score card, and backs up my speculation.
You gave Pacquiao all of the "close" rounds and none to Marquez.
That's gotta be the only way you can score this fight for Pacquiao.

That first round was pretty even, with Marquez landing the only significant punch.
How can anyone give it to Pacquiao? There's just no basis for that other than you're giving it to the aggressor. But what's the point of aggression if it isn't effective?


*EDIT*
Hahaha.... I just noticed the picture comparison you put up of both fighters mugs.
Why didn't you state that Pacquiao's cut was caused by a punch and Marquez's by head butts?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Yeah I just saw your score card, you gave Pacquiao the first round.
And that pretty much explains the rest of your score card, and backs up my speculation.

So you're telling me Marquez won this round? I'm sorry comrade but you're way off. Marquez landed a few counter punches and THATS it. Again, the criteria to score a round is not on cleaning punching alone, there is Ring Generalship, Effective Aggression, Defense and Clean/Hard punching. Marquez gets one of the four catagories in that round (clean/hard punching), Pacman gets the other three, which results in Pacman getting the round.

You gave Pacquiao all of the "close" rounds and none to Marquez.
That's gotta be the only way you can score this fight for Pacquiao.

No I didn't. I just told you there were a couple very close rounds, I gave one to Marquez (7th) and one to Pacman (11th).

That first round was pretty even, with Marquez landing the only significant punch

How can anyone give it to Pacquiao?

Well you just admitted the round was pretty even. One significant punch landed by Marquez compared to Pacquaio who landed more shots, was the aggressor and controlled the tempo is not enough to win the round. Again, there are four categories when scoring a round, Marquez led in one of those.

*EDIT*
Hahaha.... I just noticed the picture comparison you put up of both fighters mugs.
Why didn't you state that Pacquiao's cut was caused by a punch and Marquez's by head butts?

I did. Round 8 I said "Pacquiao gets a nasty cut on his eyelid caused by a Marquez punch."

And there were two cuts on Marquez (which later turned into one giant cut). The first was high on his brow caused by a headbutt, the other was lower and caused by a Pacquiao left.

 

[miggidy]

First off let me say that after re-checking, you were right.
I was off on my scoring. After checking, I scored the fight 8 rounds to 4 in favor of Marquez. So 115 - 112 is the end result on my score card.

I've been watching boxing for over 18 years, I understand the sport more than the average sports fan. Even more so because boxing for a long time was my favorite sport.
Not only did I follow it like a religion but I also practiced it for a while, so I am very familiar with scoring criteria. How did Pacquiao get the nod for ring generalship in the first round when the round was fought in Marquez's style? It wasn't a typical Pacquiao round where he's able to get inside. He was at the end of Marquez's punches the whole time. Marquez had the nod in ring generalship based on the fact that he controlled Pacquiao from the outside. Pacquiao was aggressive, but it was far from effective.
The only telling punch in the round was landed by Marquez. There's just no way you can give that round to Pacquiao unless you're one of those judges who values aggression over ring generalship at all costs.
So yes, round one was pretty even but I disagree that he landed enough shots to take the round. And he certainly didn't control the tempo. The round was no where near the tempo he typically fights at.

So you gave Pacquiao the 11, I remeber that was one of those rounds where Marquez clearly won. It wasn't even close. I'll have to sit down and watch the fight again to see why anyone would feel Pacquiao took that round. But I already know your scoring trend.
Keep in mind that all three judges scored this round for Marquez.

In closing, this is just one of those fights where I will completely disagree with you.
It's nothing new comrade, I had Hopkins clearly beating Taylor and also winning the slightly closer rematch. You had Taylor winning both if I recall.
As long as boxing continues with its broken scoring system, there will always be fights where we totally disagree. And I don't mean close fights where the decision can go either way. Personally Vasquez VS Marquez III was one of those such fights, but Marquez VS Pacquiao II isn't....

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I've been watching boxing for over 18 years, I understand the sport more than the average sports fan. Even more so because boxing for a long time was my favorite sport.
Not only did I follow it like a religion but I also practiced it for a while, so I am very familiar with scoring criteria.

Boxing is my favorite sport too and I've been watching it since I was in the single digits, but this is besides the point and doesn't really prove anything.

How did Pacquiao get the nod for ring generalship in the first round when the round was fought in Marquez's style? It wasn't a typical Pacquiao round where he's able to get inside. He was at the end of Marquez's punches the whole time. Marquez had the nod in ring generalship based on the fact that he controlled Pacquiao from the outside. Pacquiao was aggressive, but it was far from effective.

I dunno man, that's my take on the round. He seemed to be busier and Marquez was constantly backpedaling. Plus, if you re-watch the round, watch how many times Pacquiao blocks Marquez' punches. He performed better in that category as well. At best for Marquez it's a 10-10 round.

The only telling punch in the round was landed by Marquez.

Marquez lands one clean shot, Pacquaio lands a two to three (although not as solid as Marquez' one shot).

So you gave Pacquiao the 11, I remeber that was one of those rounds where Marquez clearly won. It wasn't even close. I'll have to sit down and watch the fight again to see why anyone would feel Pacquiao took that round. But I already know your scoring trend.

I'll make gifs when I get home.

Keep in mind that all three judges scored this round for Marquez.

And Lederman gave round 12 to pacquaio! We're talkin bout my scores.

In closing, this is just one of those fights where I will completely disagree with you.
It's nothing new comrade, I had Hopkins clearly beating Taylor and also winning the slightly closer rematch. You had Taylor winning both if I recall.

Nah, I was in agreement with you; I had Hopkins winning both times as well. Usually we are on point.

And it's not a trend of mine to score for the aggressor I had Mayweather clearly beating Oscar de la hoya (wasn't even close on my scorecard).

As long as boxing continues with its broken scoring system, there will always be fights where we totally disagree. And I don't mean close fights where the decision can go either way. Personally Vasquez VS Marquez III was one of those such fights, but Marquez VS Pacquiao II isn't....

I don't think this is a case of a broken system, it was just a really close fight (like Cotto/Mosley) which certain rounds, and/or the really close rounds, could go either way.

But my main problem is with people calling this fight a robbery, or clearly a win for Marquez when in my opinion, it was very, very close (I would have had it a draw if not for the KD).

 

[45park1904]

Seriously you guys must've not watched many fights if you think this was a robbery. This was a close fight that could've went either way .. nothing more.

i agree...good close fight,that's what ya pay the money for.....i had a grip of my mexican homies and filipino homies at the pad,shit got heated.all in all i wasnt disappointed iin the outcome like some other fights i paid for in the past.