NFL MVP
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why do people say brady doesnt have any weapons? they all seem to be playing great to me. there is a wealth of talent in new england. bottom line is this. BILL BELICHICK DOESNT TRADE RANDY MOSS IF THERE IS NO TALENT ON THE OFFENSE. quite the opposite. new england has NEVER relied on a dominant running game and while running back committees have become the rage in recent years new england has been quietly doing it for some time with corey dillon, kevin faulk, laurence maroney, fred taylor, and the list goes on. they dont have a bad running game their offense just doesnt rely on it and never has. cut the bullshit.
great little piece about vick/brady mvp topic
What defines an MVP? The MVP is what its real title suggests—the most valuable player on the field.
As of right now, the two favorites for the MVP race are Tom Brady and Michael Vick. I will agree that Tom Brady is an outstanding quarterback. However, he's a product of the Patriots' offensive system. Bill Belichick and fellow coaches have an offense in place that allows Brady to thrive; the same is true for Michael Vick but not as extreme.
The difference, in this case, is that Vick is asked to do so much more than Brady. The Eagles don't have a million bubble screens or short plays with which they can utilize small, quick receivers. Danny Woodhead and Wes Welker are not, by any means, possession receivers. They are guys that take advantage of blocking to get down field.
The Eagles have a "west coast" offensive system that is pretty much a mixture of the Saints/Patriots offense. The Saints use an offense that is primarily passing and they stretch the field with intermediate to long throws.
What do the Eagles have? They have some advanced screens and intermediate to long throws.
What I am trying to explain is tough to put in to words.
Michael Vick is asked to go through progressions, dodge defenders and use his feet when nothing is available down field. He is also doing all of this with receivers who haven't yet matured to the level of "get open if my route is dead."
Vick is the master of improvisation.
Tom Brady performs in a system with plays that almost guarantee a receiver to be open. He is also playing behind an almost all Pro Bowl offensive line. If the line breaks open, Brady is as good as sacked. However, the whole goal of the Belichick system is to completely deny defenders enough time to sack Brady.
The amount of things that Michael Vick can do with his arm and feet truly trump Tom Brady. If anybody is to be crowned an MVP in New England, it should be Bill Belichick.
But don't get me wrong, I'm in no way, shape or form denying the great talents of Brady.
Imagine Tom Brady or Michael Vick going to the Carolina Panthers. Who do you think would give them a higher chance of winning right away? I say Vick.
If you think Brady, sorry to disappoint you.
What defines an MVP? The MVP is what its real title suggests—the most valuable player on the field.
As of right now, the two favorites for the MVP race are Tom Brady and Michael Vick. I will agree that Tom Brady is an outstanding quarterback. However, he's a product of the Patriots' offensive system. Bill Belichick and fellow coaches have an offense in place that allows Brady to thrive; the same is true for Michael Vick but not as extreme.
The difference, in this case, is that Vick is asked to do so much more than Brady. The Eagles don't have a million bubble screens or short plays with which they can utilize small, quick receivers. Danny Woodhead and Wes Welker are not, by any means, possession receivers. They are guys that take advantage of blocking to get down field.
The Eagles have a "west coast" offensive system that is pretty much a mixture of the Saints/Patriots offense. The Saints use an offense that is primarily passing and they stretch the field with intermediate to long throws.
What do the Eagles have? They have some advanced screens and intermediate to long throws.
What I am trying to explain is tough to put in to words.
Michael Vick is asked to go through progressions, dodge defenders and use his feet when nothing is available down field. He is also doing all of this with receivers who haven't yet matured to the level of "get open if my route is dead."
Vick is the master of improvisation.
Tom Brady performs in a system with plays that almost guarantee a receiver to be open. He is also playing behind an almost all Pro Bowl offensive line. If the line breaks open, Brady is as good as sacked. However, the whole goal of the Belichick system is to completely deny defenders enough time to sack Brady.
The amount of things that Michael Vick can do with his arm and feet truly trump Tom Brady. If anybody is to be crowned an MVP in New England, it should be Bill Belichick.
But don't get me wrong, I'm in no way, shape or form denying the great talents of Brady.
Imagine Tom Brady or Michael Vick going to the Carolina Panthers. Who do you think would give them a higher chance of winning right away? I say Vick.
If you think Brady, sorry to disappoint you.
that lil interview phil put up was a good one and a great case for vick to be MVP, but i consider MVP to be more than the best player on the feild. i think of actual value for the team and in that how they perform with that value. i think the pats would crumble without Brady and it already showed this year that the eagles would still be an OK without Vick. i mean the value is much much higher in brady therefor i see him as most valuable player in the league this year. i think peyton wins it all the time for that same reason aswell. i do think Vick is playing better than brady but i also think he has more to play better with and i feel that will effect the way people see this. or maybe they just tie them as co-mvp's since they both deserve it so much. i hope thats the case and they both face in the SB cause that shit would really help the lockout situation that may occur next year. you need drama like that to get the average fan pumped to watch the game regardless of who's in the game.
crumble? the pats went without brady 2 years ago and did not crumble. there goes that argument. once again if you put brady or vick on the worst teams in the league which one would make them better off the bat regardless of coaching, scheme or talent on the field. its vick hands down. not even close. the super bowl 3 years ago showed what brady looks like against an unblockable pass rush by the giants front 4. vick has beaten that same fierce giants pass rush twice this year. im just saying, brady is one dimensional in that aspect, he relies on that line while vick has been escaping his wack oline all year running for his life. he doesnt have the luxury of brady having 10 seconds in a giant pocket.
okay, if you're gonna use that argument... the Eagles made the playoffs without Vick the past 10 years in a row or some shit... the fuck you tryin to say??? lmfao
and you gotta realize it's not all the same players on that Pats team
and btw... I went back and looked at the stats... the year Matt Cassell played for New England... the Pats had a top 10 defense... this year they have the 28th ranked defense...
they also had the 6th best rushing attack in the league that year... this year only have the 15th best rushing offense
you also gotta remember Randy Moss was on the team that year
therefore you really can't even compare the teams, because this year Tom Brady IS the Patriots... Matt Cassell had a great defense and running game helping him out
and you gotta realize it's not all the same players on that Pats team
and btw... I went back and looked at the stats... the year Matt Cassell played for New England... the Pats had a top 10 defense... this year they have the 28th ranked defense...
they also had the 6th best rushing attack in the league that year... this year only have the 15th best rushing offense
you also gotta remember Randy Moss was on the team that year
therefore you really can't even compare the teams, because this year Tom Brady IS the Patriots... Matt Cassell had a great defense and running game helping him out
they only have the 15th best rushing offense this year because they are a passing team. THEY DONT NEED A STRONG RUNNING GAME AND NEVER HAVE. their running game has always been secondary to the passing game. when the pats lose nobody says its because of the lack of a rushing attack because thats not their bread and butter.
what does tom brady look like when he doesnt have a consistent pocket to throw from? is he typically successful or does he put up games like he did against the ravens in the playoffs last year? vick plays with that type of pass rush in his face nearly every game. he's not reliant on the scheme and blocking to make plays, he is more important to the team in that aspect. he relies on his own elusiveness and playmaking ability. tom bradys success lives and dies with that of the offensive line. if brady is the mvp so is his offensive line for keeping him standing up.
what does tom brady look like when he doesnt have a consistent pocket to throw from? is he typically successful or does he put up games like he did against the ravens in the playoffs last year? vick plays with that type of pass rush in his face nearly every game. he's not reliant on the scheme and blocking to make plays, he is more important to the team in that aspect. he relies on his own elusiveness and playmaking ability. tom bradys success lives and dies with that of the offensive line. if brady is the mvp so is his offensive line for keeping him standing up.
I like how you completely avoided my point about how the Pats have one of the lowest ranked defense in the NFL, yet they're tied with Atlanta having the best record in the entire fucking NFL
you could say if Brady wins MVP he owed a lot to his O-line... sure
but if Vick wins MVP he owes a lot to Desean Jackson... Brady has no big time receivers like that... and please don't fucking say Wes Welker
you could say if Brady wins MVP he owed a lot to his O-line... sure
but if Vick wins MVP he owes a lot to Desean Jackson... Brady has no big time receivers like that... and please don't fucking say Wes Welker