NFL MVP

[phil]

no it aint after dallas took a shit on em they aint been the same

then who is?

 

[phil]

I like how you completely avoided my point about how the Pats have one of the lowest ranked defense in the NFL, yet they're tied with Atlanta having the best record in the entire fucking NFL

you could say if Brady wins MVP he owed a lot to his O-line... sure

but if Vick wins MVP he owes a lot to Desean Jackson... Brady has no big time receivers like that... and please don't fucking say Wes Welker

of course he owes a lot to desean jackson. but desean jackson didnt avoid the pass rush that would have toppled brady.

 

[phil]

about new englands defense? they only give up 21ppg while phillys gives up 24ppg.

which qb has to do more to compensate for the defense. nice try though using yardage instead of scoring to say philly has the better defense. LOL

 

[Unknownn]

Good Point Meta

Brady is Peyton-esque in the way he makes recievers (Welker, Branch, Hernandez, Woodhead, Gronkowski)

DeSean Jackson on the other hand made Vick an MVP candidate this year thru the Air.

 

[phil]

found some better stats. breakdown of new englands scoring tds

56 total
17 rushing
31 receiving
2 special teams
6 defense

philly only scored 46 touchdowns, ten less than the pats, but only 1 of their tds was from special teams and only 2 were on the defense. brady has had 5 extra touchdowns from defense and special teams and had THE SAME amount of rushing tds. when you take away vicks 8 rushing tds that means the eagles only rushed for 9tds while the pats rushed for 14 (brady rushed for 3).

so who has the better rushing game? the better defense?

 

[phil]

once again, desean jackson doesnt buy time for vick. vick does. brady has a hof caliber oline year in and year out that gives receivers time to get open. when you have 5 or 6 seconds for the qb to scan the field NO DEFENSE can contain all the receivers for that long. not even the ravens steelers and jets combined.

 

[phil]

thats why guys like hernandez branch gronkowski get open and look all pro. same with new orleans same with indy. they use similar offensive game plans that all demand good pass protection. when pass protection fails so do their offenses. thats the advantage vick has over brady.

 

[phil]

tom brady avgs 254 ypg of offense
vick averages 306 ypg of offense

thats if you want to talk about ypg as a measurement of offense or defense

 

[corinthian]

michell vick is a fucking faggot

 

[phil]

tom brady tds per game 2.2
mike vick 2.5

 

[phil]

this shit aint even close lol

 

[corinthian]

brady's leadership and ability to read defenses quickly> vick's athletic ability.

 

[phil]

tom brady has less ppg less ypg less tds per game a defense that gives up less points a rushing game that scores more tds and is in the same system hes been in for ten years? and mike vick isnt the mvp? ok.

 

[phil]

brady's leadership and ability to read defenses quickly> vick's athletic ability.

actually vick has been astute at reading defenses all season and he is the undisputed leader of that team. that argument is a wash as well.

 

[corinthian]

if vick was so great at reading defenses, he wouldn't need to use his legs so much. he's also way too dependent on desean jackson. brady can do his thing with or without a star wide receiver.

 

[phil]

if vick was so great at reading defenses, he wouldn't need to use his legs so much. he's also way too dependent on desean jackson. brady can do his thing with or without a star wide receiver.

way too dependent on desean jackson? jeremy maclin has ten touchdowns. desean jackson only has 6. hell vick has rushed for more tds than desean jackson has. youre grasping at straws now. vick being under attack due to a poor oline has nothing to do with reading defenses. do you read this bullshit before you type it? lol

 

[phil]

and saying wes welker is NOT a star receiver shows just how big of a faggot you really are.

wes welker LED THE LEAGUE IN RECEPTION AS A NUMBER 3 WR IN 2007 AND 2009

who is more dependent on who?

 

[phil]

this shit is too easy but keep clowning yourselves.

 

[corinthian]

and saying wes welker is NOT a star receiver shows just how big of a faggot you really are.

wes welker LED THE LEAGUE IN RECEPTION AS A NUMBER 3 WR IN 2007 AND 2009

who is more dependent on who?

yeah, I'm sure the eagles would love to trade desean jackson for welker straight up. fact is,nobody in their right mind puts those two on the same level. hahahahahaha, get off vick's nuts, he's good, but he ain't no mvp.

 

[phil]

and nobody puts the pats and eagles oline on the same level. nobody would trade new englands oline for phillys straight up. get off bradys nuts. hes mvp caliber but vick is mvp this year. easy to see.
vick has:
defense that gives up more points per game
defense that scores many less tds for the team
lower scoring rushing game
more ypg
more tds per game
no experience starting in reids offense compared to bradys 10 seasons in New England.
far inferior offensive line
and brady is having a better year? based on what? because hes tom brady and the media has you convinced hes better? lol