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Nov 7, 2006
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I wont hate on other peoples posts on here but to say Vick easily is just stupid. if the season was over right now it would be Brady or maybe a tie but brady would def get it no matter what. you want to talk about weapons look what Brady has, all rookies and people he makes look good. wes welker was nothing then came here and became great. deione was nothing when he left, now he's back and he's balling like he's a pro-bowl reciever. yeah vick is more explosive but IMO his injuries proved he's not most Valuable. when he was out the eagles were still winning and kolb was actually looking real good. if brady was to go down right now with the team the pats have i highly doubt we would win 4 games in a season. our defense is ranked last in the league and our offense is full of rookies and cut players yet we have a 12-2 record and brady has these type of numbers. in the infamous 18-1 season i was impressed but not amazing with what brady was doing since i figured it was the weapons they got him. but then i look at moss right now and he aint doing SHIT. i give hella props for Belichick for the accomplishments this year but remember vick has arguablly the best offensive minded coaches teaching him to be a better player aswell. we had one of the toughest schedules in the league this year and brady took out the top 5 defenses of the league, not just taking them out but blowing them out and 2 of them were on there own home turf that is considered the hardest to play on (soldier feild & hynes feild)


with that being said if vick does indeed get it i do thing i'ts well deserved and you wont hear me complaining.
 

Meta4iCAL

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another thing to think about:

McNabb played in Philly for years and was very good every year, consistently taking his team into the playoffs... took em to the Superbowl and took em deep in the playoffs on more than one occasion

the first year McNabb plays out of that system... he fucking sucks

coincidence?

no

the Eagles have a great offensive system in place, which helped McNabb tremendously

that same offensive system is helping Vick tremendously... he would not be doing as well as he is right now on a lot of other teams

I'm not saying Vick is only a product of that system... he's extremely talented

but to sit there and say Brady is a just a product of his system while Vick is not... is just plain dumb
 

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when you take into account that vick just did almost 2 years in the joint, missed 3 seasons and played in a few plays all last season, and was pretty much considered old news/washed up, this is a no brainer.

at best brady should share a co-mvp with vick like mcnair/manning did in 03. other than that vick should get it
 

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when you take into account that vick just did almost 2 years in the joint, missed 3 seasons and played in a few plays all last season, and was pretty much considered old news/washed up, this is a no brainer.
and how does that make him more valuable to his team??
 
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when you take into account that vick just did almost 2 years in the joint, missed 3 seasons and played in a few plays all last season, and was pretty much considered old news/washed up, this is a no brainer.

at best brady should share a co-mvp with vick like mcnair/manning did in 03. other than that vick should get it
LOL Then brady should get it over him for keeping his ass out of jail and not killing any dogs. LOL @ being in jail 2 years contributing to your campaigning of Vick for MVP! HA HA HA HA!
 

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vick is more valuable. the pats have proven they don't need brady to get to the playoffs. the giants would have mauled kevin kolb behind that line that vick somehow wins behind.
 

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LOL Then brady should get it over him for keeping his ass out of jail and not killing any dogs. LOL @ being in jail 2 years contributing to your campaigning of Vick for MVP! HA HA HA HA!
it wasnt about him going to jail it was about him being THAT FAR away from the game and to come back and win like he has this year is remarkable. brady isnt even having his best year this year.
 
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Ok but let's talk about this season. Because mcnabb ain't there no more. If kolb was in there they would suck, period.
why does that matter?!?!? IF brady goes down you can say the same for the patriots. If Brian Hoyer and Jonathan Crompton would have to fill in for brady the pats would be lucky to be a 500. team. You must not watch the Patriots play much. You guys make it seem like the patriots success is due to everyone on the squad except tom brady.
 

Meta4iCAL

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vick is more valuable. the pats have proven they don't need brady to get to the playoffs. the giants would have mauled kevin kolb behind that line that vick somehow wins behind.
this is a great point... because Philly has not proven they can make the playoffs without Michael Vick (except for 8 of the last 10 years when they made the playoffs without Michael Vick)

also, your argument would make more sense if the Patriots actually made the playoffs when Tom Brady was out for the season... but they didn't make the playoffs that year

try again

and you point out that Kolb would get mauled Kolb...

you don't think the Patriots backup QB would get mauled by the Steelers, Ravens, Jets, and Bears

Brady made the Bears, Steelers, and Jets defenses look like scrubs... and he did it against the Steelers and Bears on the road