Muslims, chill...
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Muslims = People of the way. (truth hurts)
Muslims who own liquor stores = sinners. (muslims who sell alcohol publicly acknoweledge that selling alcohol is a sin therefore they are not hypocrites, but sinners.)
Scholars/Ulema = Who teach the Quran and sunnah, and give advice using their knowledge of Quran and sunnah.
Quran = Word of God
Sunnah = the way of the prophet hence it should be the way of the people.
after the prophets and the messengers come the people of knowledge, the knowledge of Guidance and those people are the scholars.
Muslims who own liquor stores = sinners. (muslims who sell alcohol publicly acknoweledge that selling alcohol is a sin therefore they are not hypocrites, but sinners.)
Scholars/Ulema = Who teach the Quran and sunnah, and give advice using their knowledge of Quran and sunnah.
Quran = Word of God
Sunnah = the way of the prophet hence it should be the way of the people.
after the prophets and the messengers come the people of knowledge, the knowledge of Guidance and those people are the scholars.
so because those muslims arent fundamental like the ones you see on the news, they are hypocrites?
if those muslims selling alcohol were the ones preaching that alcohol is a sin and you are never to sin, then thats where they would be hypocrites
i dunno man u actin the same way the media wants the people to act and feel.
tell me somethin real quick, before 9/11 did you have that much anger towards the muslims? (i mean we all know you didnt like them because rarely you will find a "nonbeliever" willin to put up with the muslims actions that they HONESTLY BELIEVE IS THE RIGHT THING)
yup, the same way i would believe that teaching ppl that religion is man made is the RIGHT THING, the same way they believe are doing the right thing. its all about mentality and just about how strong the mind control is
so whos really the better person? one who thinks hes doing right or the other who thinks he doing right?
please dont feed into the media man i know youre better than that
if those muslims selling alcohol were the ones preaching that alcohol is a sin and you are never to sin, then thats where they would be hypocrites
i dunno man u actin the same way the media wants the people to act and feel.
tell me somethin real quick, before 9/11 did you have that much anger towards the muslims? (i mean we all know you didnt like them because rarely you will find a "nonbeliever" willin to put up with the muslims actions that they HONESTLY BELIEVE IS THE RIGHT THING)
yup, the same way i would believe that teaching ppl that religion is man made is the RIGHT THING, the same way they believe are doing the right thing. its all about mentality and just about how strong the mind control is
so whos really the better person? one who thinks hes doing right or the other who thinks he doing right?
please dont feed into the media man i know youre better than that
My original reply was lost.
So now I'll make a new one.
I honestly believe you thought typing all of that (especially the first line) would offend me or help your cause. It doesn't offend me one bit, and you are entitled to your views no matter how warped and foolish some may believe they are. I have no problem with you believing the same thing as those who strap bombs to their face in order to blow up infidels (which are often women and children.) Please spare me the "christians do worse" speech because I am not a christian and the dogma is not applicable to me.
Be gone.
@Hemp you said:
No. Muslims aren't hypocrites because of the way they are portrayed on the news. Muslims are hyprocrites (and sinners) because of the beliefes they claim to hold but actually forsake. Can you please tell me how you BELIEVE tv is relevant to my position? This is not an issue of fundamentalism and media. This is an issue of morality and what is right.
If muslims claim islam is the CORRECT religion and all people should convert why are they HINDERING this process by supplying people with items that are forbidden in islam, cause destruction to the body and cause addiction? Such items would be tobacco products, liquor, gambling products (scratch off and lotto tickets), pork products (pig skins, hot dogs, links) and porn.
Not true and you should broaden your scope a bit. I said LIQUOR STORES and liquor stores carry two or more of the products I listed. Again, muslims are preaching islam is the correct religion yet they are providing the means to sin and the means to remain an infindel. Where does morallity and true observence of islam come into play when you are selling would be muslims spicy pork skins for your monetary gain?
Please support your claim. How am I acting "the same way the media wants the people to act and feel?" Please present your assessment in the form of a logical and cogent paragraph. If you are incapable of doing this refrain from typing out of boredom. If it is not out of boredom you are doing it to appear intelligent before your peers and that is a no-no.
No, and I do not have anger towards muslims. Please show the board how I am angry towards muslims and I will clear these misconceptions. I can ridicule islam, muslims and YOU without being angry. Anger has nothing to do with my position, and I encourage you to start reading my posts (in depth) before replying.
Who is the "we" that you are speaking of/for? How many people here share the same opinion of me as you?
I can't make heads or tails of this. Please rephrase your entire sentence (even the part I previously quoted) and try again.
You are entitled to believe and teach what you want. This has nothing to do with mentality or mind control. Again, this an issue of morality and observing a religion FAITHFULLY.
This is circle talk not deserving of an answer. Try again. Look at your previous statement and try again. :dead:
My position has nothing to do with the media.
So now I'll make a new one.
I honestly believe you thought typing all of that (especially the first line) would offend me or help your cause. It doesn't offend me one bit, and you are entitled to your views no matter how warped and foolish some may believe they are. I have no problem with you believing the same thing as those who strap bombs to their face in order to blow up infidels (which are often women and children.) Please spare me the "christians do worse" speech because I am not a christian and the dogma is not applicable to me.
Be gone.
@Hemp you said:
No. Muslims aren't hypocrites because of the way they are portrayed on the news. Muslims are hyprocrites (and sinners) because of the beliefes they claim to hold but actually forsake. Can you please tell me how you BELIEVE tv is relevant to my position? This is not an issue of fundamentalism and media. This is an issue of morality and what is right.
If muslims claim islam is the CORRECT religion and all people should convert why are they HINDERING this process by supplying people with items that are forbidden in islam, cause destruction to the body and cause addiction? Such items would be tobacco products, liquor, gambling products (scratch off and lotto tickets), pork products (pig skins, hot dogs, links) and porn.
Not true and you should broaden your scope a bit. I said LIQUOR STORES and liquor stores carry two or more of the products I listed. Again, muslims are preaching islam is the correct religion yet they are providing the means to sin and the means to remain an infindel. Where does morallity and true observence of islam come into play when you are selling would be muslims spicy pork skins for your monetary gain?
Please support your claim. How am I acting "the same way the media wants the people to act and feel?" Please present your assessment in the form of a logical and cogent paragraph. If you are incapable of doing this refrain from typing out of boredom. If it is not out of boredom you are doing it to appear intelligent before your peers and that is a no-no.
No, and I do not have anger towards muslims. Please show the board how I am angry towards muslims and I will clear these misconceptions. I can ridicule islam, muslims and YOU without being angry. Anger has nothing to do with my position, and I encourage you to start reading my posts (in depth) before replying.
Who is the "we" that you are speaking of/for? How many people here share the same opinion of me as you?
I can't make heads or tails of this. Please rephrase your entire sentence (even the part I previously quoted) and try again.
You are entitled to believe and teach what you want. This has nothing to do with mentality or mind control. Again, this an issue of morality and observing a religion FAITHFULLY.
This is circle talk not deserving of an answer. Try again. Look at your previous statement and try again. :dead:
My position has nothing to do with the media.
You have a problem with seperating Islam with muslims and i will leave it at that.
Me and hemp were having a conversation when you came in at post # 59 and attacked muslims, very much like christian missionaries do. Why you ask? Christian missionaries attack muslims because their beliefs have been exposed, they attack muslims because the truth has been shown and people are realizing it. And to put yourself in the "people of the way" that you categorize yourself in is fooling nobody but yourself. The only "way" your following is the man made way.
Comparing Islam with terrorist is what you come down to when you try to hold a conversation with me, which shows that you have no point and just talking to keep your image on the siccness. Your reply is what i always see from people who have been shutdown when trying to downtalk islam, so for back up they always pull out the terrorist card, ignorant of what i have posted regarding islam and terrorism. You came into this thread attacking muslims because your belief was questioned, and not by me, but by yourself. Do you think this attack on islam and muslims will somehow strengthen your weakened belief? I go to sleep tonight with strong belief, yet you go to sleep questioning yours, and that my friend is real talk.
Your the one who started this conversation, therefore this shows that you cant handle your own statements. But after this last post the conclusion is clear that your posts and arguments are completely irrational, therefore until you come with something rational you WONT get a reply out of me.
No, elaborate. I believe muslims are clones and a certain percentage of this belief comes from prior convos with muslims like you.
I don't believe it was an attack. I believe it is an honest assessment, and this assessment is based on my reading of the quran, talking to muslims (on and offline) and WATCHING the patterns of american born muslims and those who come here. I knew you would find some way to sneak christianity into the convo and look what you do. As I said before christianity is not applicable to me. If you believe I am following mans way so be it. You know NOTHING about what I follow EXCEPT for what I divulge. When I stop giving info you run into a brick wall.
I am comparing YOUR beliefs to those who are labeled as "terrorist" and this has NOTHING to do with comparing YOU or terrorist TO islam. Try again.
Sort of like how you did in our previous encounters? You would know....
Do you remember my first ever reply to you? Maybe you should dig it up. It was short/concise and a proper assessment. I am NOT comparing ISLAM and terrorism. Get that through your skull. I am comparing YOU and so-called TERRORISTS. Both are blinded by the moon god allah/Hubal and devoid of logic.
Not true, but please believe what you will. By all means continue.
According to you, but I know different. I go to bed at night knowing I am a free thinker and not a clone. You go to bed as a clone, wake up as a clone and lack teh ability to read, think or research for yourself. That is the difference between you and I. Thanks for proving you are a clone (refer to the bold letters.)
I did not start this convo because my post was not directed at you personally. I had no knowledge that you would answer the post. YOU started this convo the moment you quoted me or addressed me. Get your facts straight, junior.
No one asked you to reply in the first place!!! LMAO!
Thanks for knowing your role now be gone.
I don't believe it was an attack. I believe it is an honest assessment, and this assessment is based on my reading of the quran, talking to muslims (on and offline) and WATCHING the patterns of american born muslims and those who come here. I knew you would find some way to sneak christianity into the convo and look what you do. As I said before christianity is not applicable to me. If you believe I am following mans way so be it. You know NOTHING about what I follow EXCEPT for what I divulge. When I stop giving info you run into a brick wall.
I am comparing YOUR beliefs to those who are labeled as "terrorist" and this has NOTHING to do with comparing YOU or terrorist TO islam. Try again.
Sort of like how you did in our previous encounters? You would know....
Do you remember my first ever reply to you? Maybe you should dig it up. It was short/concise and a proper assessment. I am NOT comparing ISLAM and terrorism. Get that through your skull. I am comparing YOU and so-called TERRORISTS. Both are blinded by the moon god allah/Hubal and devoid of logic.
Not true, but please believe what you will. By all means continue.
According to you, but I know different. I go to bed at night knowing I am a free thinker and not a clone. You go to bed as a clone, wake up as a clone and lack teh ability to read, think or research for yourself. That is the difference between you and I. Thanks for proving you are a clone (refer to the bold letters.)
I did not start this convo because my post was not directed at you personally. I had no knowledge that you would answer the post. YOU started this convo the moment you quoted me or addressed me. Get your facts straight, junior.
No one asked you to reply in the first place!!! LMAO!
Thanks for knowing your role now be gone.
Questions for any muslim on the board
If muslims claim islam is the CORRECT religion and all people should convert why are they HINDERING this process by supplying people with items that are forbidden in islam, cause destruction to the body and cause addiction? Such items would be tobacco products, liquor, gambling products (scratch off and lotto tickets), pork products (pig skins, hot dogs, links) and porn.
I will not accept "they admit its a sin" or "its ok if you make money to feed your family" as an answer. The reason I will not accept it as an answer is because I believe you should NOT compromise your faith/belief for monetary gain.
If muslims claim islam is the CORRECT religion and all people should convert why are they HINDERING this process by supplying people with items that are forbidden in islam, cause destruction to the body and cause addiction? Such items would be tobacco products, liquor, gambling products (scratch off and lotto tickets), pork products (pig skins, hot dogs, links) and porn.
I will not accept "they admit its a sin" or "its ok if you make money to feed your family" as an answer. The reason I will not accept it as an answer is because I believe you should NOT compromise your faith/belief for monetary gain.
The reason they do these things is because their iman is weak. There is no excuse in doing those forbidden things that you mentioned. This doesn't mean that Islam is wrong. It just means that the people practicing it are weak in their faith. It's a shame that the people representing Islam today are usually the ones that shouldn't be representing it. The people you see practicing Islam in America today have been sucked into the American culture. Its really hard for Muslims born and raised in America to maintain their Islamic ways because the culture here doesn't allow them to. Obviously, if someone does have really strong faith, they could overcome that, but the fact is that Muslims nowadays are not that strong in their faith. Not just in America but all over the world. That's why you see no unity among Muslims.
At some point I'd say 99.9% of people do something that they say they dont' stand for/believe in. It's not based on religion. Nobody is perfect. There are people who do what they say and follow their faith and those who say they do but don't. That's life in general. Some people say they will do shit but dont', others do what they say they will. Some people are weak and some are strong willed. In my opinion, there's not one single characteristic that links everyone in a group, but most of the time there are characteristics that overlap. Not ALL Muslims are violent. Not ALL Christians are fucking judgmental hypocrites. SOME ARE. Some people are fucking pieces of shit and some are nice.
semantics hiding behind them reveals your aversion to the truth. Why not just say its death and admit Islam is violent? Violence is natural. You are so wrapped up in defence of "your" principles you can't consider contradictory commentary. Its sad really that you are not really you.
Heresy is right your just a clone.
Heresy is right your just a clone.
HAHA what the hell was that you just wrote? you asked me what the punishment is in the Quran about people who convert from islam, i said nothing. Instead of you bringing a verse from the Quran to prove me wrong, you continue to show your IGNORANCE. You my friend are a SQUARE. Speaking like you know something when you know nothing. Im a clone? It seems that you are the clone because from your statements that islam is a violent religion you followed what other people said and not what you found, which makes you a clone. Hersey can say whatever he wants, he can insult but thats where it stops because when it comes to knowledge about my religion, i put you and hersey in the slow folks class. Yet you guys like to speak like you know something.
by the way i replied like that when you asked me what the Quran says about the conversion from islam, to show that you are ignorant and infact, since you like using the word a clone.
I have no problem with anything my religion says, the punishment of converters is in the hadith. Ask me what the hadith says if you really care and i shall reply.
For now i have to head out to the masjid, a soon to be brother is converting tonight, Alhamdillah.
I have no problem with anything my religion says, the punishment of converters is in the hadith. Ask me what the hadith says if you really care and i shall reply.
For now i have to head out to the masjid, a soon to be brother is converting tonight, Alhamdillah.
In three previous threads you have contradicted yourself and went agains the teachings of muslims who are your superiors. You are a clone with nothing better to do than surf the web for muslim pics and pray 10 times to a god that doesn't hear you. Allah is dead and that is the way it is. Sorry clone.
its weird how u both are fighting each other but when i see the bigger picture you are both preaching the same msg.(that only one way is the true way to succeed)
i mean a muslims shiekh goes to the house where a little girl is possessed.
she screamin like no other n takes 4 men to hold her down.
the muslim shiekh will say some prayer and next thing u know she isnt possessed no more n she can finally sleep.
then a christian priest does the same thing, says a prayer n the other possessed girl can finally sleep now n never be messed with again.
dont the ppl following religions SEE the relation in that?
both the shiekh and the priest with their great love towards God(purity), made a prayer with the INTENT(truthful reason comming from soul) of doing so with lots of positive energy and lots of love, therefor the "negative" entity was forced to leave.
also the buddhist monk was able to turn the water(particle or somethin small) into a different shape whenever he thought of whatever word.
he thought of "love" and focused on it, the water looked like a snowflake.
he then focused on "i hate you" n the water particle was all fucked up, looked like a buncha lines with no shapes or anything, in "What the bleep do we know"
dont you guys SEE how it all has to do with the persons intention and the persons purity?
this isnt commin at anybody im just pointing out what seems to make complete sense to me but the people with strong beliefs seem to ignore or dismiss sayin "whatever he is doing it must be what my religion tells me to beware of"
the truth is right in front of you, u just have to look for it
i mean a muslims shiekh goes to the house where a little girl is possessed.
she screamin like no other n takes 4 men to hold her down.
the muslim shiekh will say some prayer and next thing u know she isnt possessed no more n she can finally sleep.
then a christian priest does the same thing, says a prayer n the other possessed girl can finally sleep now n never be messed with again.
dont the ppl following religions SEE the relation in that?
both the shiekh and the priest with their great love towards God(purity), made a prayer with the INTENT(truthful reason comming from soul) of doing so with lots of positive energy and lots of love, therefor the "negative" entity was forced to leave.
also the buddhist monk was able to turn the water(particle or somethin small) into a different shape whenever he thought of whatever word.
he thought of "love" and focused on it, the water looked like a snowflake.
he then focused on "i hate you" n the water particle was all fucked up, looked like a buncha lines with no shapes or anything, in "What the bleep do we know"
dont you guys SEE how it all has to do with the persons intention and the persons purity?
this isnt commin at anybody im just pointing out what seems to make complete sense to me but the people with strong beliefs seem to ignore or dismiss sayin "whatever he is doing it must be what my religion tells me to beware of"
the truth is right in front of you, u just have to look for it
