so when u experience something you dont observe?
you just DO ?
you just DO ?
your right tho i should have said "based on experience" but either way, once you experience something, you learn from what you observed.
yes, but like you said, IF you tell me.
so that goes back to the liquor shop owners, are they telling the people that ISLAM is the way or are they just minding their own business selling alcohol?
so that goes back to the liquor shop owners, are they telling the people that ISLAM is the way or are they just minding their own business selling alcohol?
If they are just minding their business selling alcohol they are VIOLATING what they say is in teh quran. They are VIOLATING what they say is PERFECT and should be accepted by ALL. Now please grow up and stop sounding like a retard with the same questions flipped every which way. Also, STOP restricting my argument to ALCOHOL. I said these stores carry at LEAST two products, and I listed the products as tobacco, porn and pork products.
ok so you just lost me again.(or yourself)
so now you are saying i CAN be a sinner and not a hypocrite?
so i guess it all goes back to if the alcohol seller tells the buyer that islam is the correct way and NOT if the seller is a muslim or not.
Before you say I am contradicting my previous statement read them both again and apply them to yourself. You must understand the difference between Sin and KNOWINGLY/LIVING in sin.
but stop me if im confused
After further looking into the word "hypocrisy" and reading Heresy and Miggidy's posts, I want to change my stance towards Muslim liquor store owners. Instead of replying to you point by point, I'm going to just make it all in one. Alcohol is completely forbidden in Islam in every possible way. In fact, it is forbidden in 8 ways: buying, selling, consuming, producing, financing, touching, transporting, (I forgot the 8th way). It is a major sin to sell it to others. Forget trying to find excuses and loopholes for these people and trying to analyze the word "hypocrit" in depth. Wrong is wrong. There is no denying it. If a person had true iman and fear of Allah, he would not be selling alcohol and others products that are not permissible in Islam. Islam means submission, submission to the will of Allah. There are no ifs, and, or buts about it. A follower must have firm belief in everything that is written in the Quran and hadith. You can't pick and choose what you want to follow and what you don't want to follow. Therefore, a Muslim must believe that alcohol is completely haraam. If he believes that alcohol is haraam, but still sells it, he is committing a major sin and being a hypocrit to himself. Like I've said before, a person that does this does not have very strong iman. There's no point in trying to defend people that commit this major sin. And there's no point in trying to go so deep into analyzing a word. Thats not the real point of this discussion. It is what it is. But if I'm wrong, I'm not too proud to admit that I'm wrong.
One point that I do want to discuss, however, is how many Muslims actually own a liquor store. In an earlier post, you said "I do know 90% of Oaklands liquor stores are owned by muslims." Do you actually know this for sure or is it just something you are estimating based on observation?
I am not saying that you are incorrect and I would not be surprised if that number was accurate, but I am just curious. I happen to live in Marin County. I probably know about 300 Muslims that live here. I know of only 1 Arab (Muslim) that owns a liquor store here. I know other Indians (non-muslims) that own liquor stores, but only 1 Muslim. These Indians could easily be mistaken for Muslims by other people.
So in Marin County, over 90% of liquor stores are not owned by Muslims.
The point I'm trying to make is I don't think a significant percentage of the overall Muslim population in America owns liquor stores.
Even in Oakland, there are thousands of Muslims. Most of those Muslims don't own liquor stores.
Most of those Muslims don't own liquor stores. I've been to the mosques in Oakland and know Muslims in Oakland. I've also been to liquor stores in Oakland owned by Muslims. Obviously, I don't have the exact figures, but I am very confident that Muslim liquor store owners make up a very small percentage of overall Muslims in both Oakland and America as a whole.
A. Muslim liquor store owners make up a small percentage of the population
B. The majority of liquor stores are owned by muslims
If you choose A you are arguing a point that has no place in our discussion, because I NEVER said a large amount of the muslim population owned liquor stores.
If you choose B you wasted time and bandwidth by previously mentioning marin county and everything else pertaining to the muslim population.