Mosley or Pacquiao?

[2-0-Sixx]

I wanted Pac to fight Mosley when he was begging for it and said he would move down to 140 if he had to. Pac and Arum wouldn't even mention his name. Pac had already fought Hatton and DLH at that time.

Pac was at 140 pounds at the time and Shane said he would go to 140 in an interview then switched it up and said 143.

I agree though that would have been a good fight. It came down to Cotto or Mosley for pac's first real fight at welterweight and you know who bob arum is going to choose when it comes to a top rank fighter vs a golden boy fighter. Now that shane isn't with golden boy that's the only reason this fight is being made as arum wont do business at all with golden boy unless it's floyd.

I really hope Golden Boy and Top Rank can squash their beef soon because it doesn't help boxing when they are at war.

 

[Tony]

pacquiao was fighting at 130 pounds back then

This was after Pacquiao fought DLH at 147. Shane even said it himself, he said that he didn't understand why Pacquiao wouldn't fight him (Shane) or why he would want to fight at a catchweight (142 like Roach mentioned) when Pacquiao fought DLH at 147.

 

[bigface]

The ONLY reason Manny is fighting Mosley is because Mosley looked like crap in his last two fights. Manny and Top Rank never mentioned Mosley's name after he KO'ed Maragarito. They waited like normal until Mayweather already softed up Mosley and then they wanted to make the fight.

Mosley is 39yrs old got beat half to death by Mayweather and looked like crap in the Mora fight. This should be a easy fight for the #1 p4p king Manny. So why would anyone care or make a big deal about Manny winning this fight?

I still say that Mosley is going to give him and good fight and will probably win the fight.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

This was after Pacquiao fought DLH at 147. Shane even said it himself, he said that he didn't understand why Pacquiao wouldn't fight him (Shane) or why he would want to fight at a catchweight (142 like Roach mentioned) when Pacquiao fought DLH at 147.

Pacquiao came up from 135 pounds to fight Oscar and Oscar was coming down from 154 (that's why they fought at WW, it was a "meet in the middle" agreement and was meant to be a one time thing for pac). For that kind of money and to fight oscar, obviously anyone in boxing would have done the same. Pacquiao weighed in at 142 pounds against Oscar (that's where the 142 from roach came from). That was a huge gamble on Pacquiao's part and if you recall he was the huge underdog (in hindsight we know now that oscar was well past it). After which Pacquiao was a 140 pound fighter and took on the lineal champ in hatton.

Further Cotto beat Mosley. They were both champions at the time at WW and obviously Bob Arum is going to want to keep it in house and not do business with Golden Boy when possible. If the roles were reversed and shane was with Top Rank and Cotto was with golden boy, best believe it would have been pac vs shane.

You and bigface don't seem to grasp the fact that Golden Boy and Top rank are at war with eachother and do not co-promote fights. Unless it involves mayweather, there are no cards of any fighters fighting eachother from these two rivals. That's the way it is right now unfortunately. (this is why you wont see gamboa or juanma lopez fight any golden boy fighter and the list goes on and on and on guys who won't/cant fight)

 

[bigface]

So Top Rank and Golden Boy is at war for Manny but Mayweather is ducking because he didn't fight Cotto and Maragarito. Make up your Manny dickriding mind.

 

[bigface]

I just think that you don't want to admit that Manny ducks and dodge fighters until they get beat-up and worn down then he fights them, and all his dickriders hype it up like it's something great. He's been fighting already beat up fighters and bums since Marquez 2.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

So Top Rank and Golden Boy is at war for Manny but Mayweather is ducking because he didn't fight Cotto and Maragarito. Make up your Manny dickriding mind.

they did business with eachother back then man, Golden Boy was still considered pretty new in the game. (why you got a call me a dickrider I don't give a shit about either promotional company and them not doing business together is bad for boxing).

 

[Tony]

It just looks like you're making excuses up for Manny. Manny wanted no part of Shane after Shane KO"d Margarito.

Wasn't Mayweather using Golden Boy to co-promote the fight with he and Manny?

 

[bigface]

Sure come up with another excuse to justify your double standard. Top Ranks was not willing to pay Mayweather the money he wanted and they wanted him to re-sign to Top Rank in order to fight Cotto or Maragarito. Mayweather bought out his contract and the rest is history. So cut your double standard bullshit out. Manny has a pattern of ducking fighters until they get beat-up, then he wants to fight them. Mayweather fights Mosley after one of the biggest win of Mosley's career the KO of Maragarito, Mayweather gets NO credit for the win.. Now you Manny dick riders wants to give Manny credit for fighting Mosley after he looked like shit in his last two fights. Then you guys have to nervous to call me a dickrider. LOL.. OK..

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

Cotto did beat Shane but he clearly wasn't the same fighter that beat Shane anymore after losing to Margarito. Margarito looked almost unbeatable and Shane beat the screws off of him so Manny fights... Cotto? There's no way to defend this. Even then, he only fought Cotto after seeing how bad he struggled against Clottey and said "I can beat him" and agreed to fight him. Before that fight, he wouldn't even agree to fight Cotto.

There's no excuse for it. There's no excuse for him fighting anyone but Shane instead when Shane was willing to make all the concessions in negotiations for the fight at a lower weight than Cotto fought him and for the real WW championship. There's no excuse for Pac fighting Clottey after that. Arum is is making the excuses but Manny could've chose to fight whoever he wanted, just like he would only fight Cotto after he decided he could beat him.

 

[bigface]

Thank you Chris. Manny has made career out of beating up on already damaged fighters, and he's doing it again with Mosley. He will probably fight the winner of Maragarito vs Cotto 2 next if he beats Shane.

 

[ArGenTin3]

Manny = out there fighting

PBF = out there fighting cases

 

[2-0-Sixx]

what do mean there was no excuse not fighting shane they weren't even in the same weight class. if u don't think cotto was a great win for his first fight at welterweight ur crazy.

and in regards to floyd bigface he took a paycut not to fight margarito so ur theory is broken. as for him fighting cotto what i always talked about was how floyd retired after hatton when everyone and their mama wanted a floyd vs cotto or margarito fight. floyd has a history of going on vacations when the hottest fight is right there in front of him not manny.

But you are the one bringing up floyd, not me. All I said was there is a war between top rank & golden boy, I'm not making this up. This doesn't only effect the top names this goes on through all of the divisions from little named guys like Humberto Soto not fighting any golden boy fighters from Gamboa & Lopez not fighting golden boy guys from Mares not fighting top rank guys and the list goes on and on, nonito donaire could have moved up in weight and fought gamboa but not that he's going to golden boy that fight will never happen. I'm not making this shit up.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Cotto did beat Shane but he clearly wasn't the same fighter that beat Shane anymore after losing to Margarito. Margarito looked almost unbeatable and Shane beat the screws off of him so Manny fights... Cotto? There's no way to defend this.

You leave out the part that Cotto was a champion and pacquiao was moving up in weight. Like I said above if you don't think Cotto was a good win for Pac in his first fight campaigning at welterweight you're crazy.

and even if its true that mosley was the better fight pac was moving up in weight, when mayweather moved up from 140 to 147 did he fight a top guy?? not even close he fought sharmba mitchell so i say to u quit with the double standards. if ur going to shit on pac for fighting a champion in cotto then floyd fighting mitchell must be blasphemy.

Even then, he only fought Cotto after seeing how bad he struggled against Clottey and said "I can beat him" and agreed to fight him. Before that fight, he wouldn't even agree to fight Cotto.

Before when??? When did anyone even imagine pacquiao would fight cotto? Pacquiao was fighting at 135 then 140 cotto wasn't even being mentioned. You guys are stretching hard.

There's no excuse for Pac fighting Clottey after that.

LMAO! Clottey was the highest ranked welterweight available, that's a solid first defense of his title. Floyd fight didn't happen and Berto and Shane were scheduled to fight. That left Clottey who was #5.

Wasn't Mayweather using Golden Boy to co-promote the fight with he and Manny?

Didn't I say two times already that Top Rank isn't doing buisness with golden boy unless it's floyd?

 

[WYNO707X4]

golden boy vs top rank is not good for the sport is killing it.......it all started when floyd and gbp said some fucked up shit about manny with no proof hating on bobs cash cow....top rank said fuck you!!!! cant blame bob.

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

Pacquiao had destroyed DLH at 147lbs, then moved down to 140 to fight Hatton before the Cotto fight. Not sure why you're forgetting that. He proved he could fight at those weights already and Shane said he would move down farther in weight than Cotto agreed to.

Pacquiao agreed to fight Clottey before Shane/Floyd signed. They had the press conference at Cowboys stadium to announce the fight after the fight with Berto had been cancelled but Shane still didn't have an opponent.

Cotto had a title but Shane was THE champion. Everyone recognized that. Not to mention Cotto got destroyed by Margarito and Margarito got destroyed by Shane. If he was trying to fight the best, it wasn't any clearer who the top dog was in the division.

Floyd moved up and fought Sharmba Mitchell in his first fight at 147, Manny fought DLH. At that stage in their careers, one was just as dangerous as the next. Then Floyd fought Judah, then Baldomir. He literally took out the 2 top guys in the division after his first fight at WW. And by the way, when was I ever defending Floyd? You brought that up.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

ur going back in time that's already been proven as false.

chris i am not forgetting oscar that was s circus act fight and manny weighed 142 pounds he never even took a hard punch from oscar that most certainly did not prove he could take on the best welterweights. that's why he fought at 140 nobody goes from 135 to 147 and stays there.

clottey vs pac was announced when mosley and berto were scheduled to fight look it up

again if u think manny was a full blown welterweights against oscar ur crazy

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

I didn't say he was a full blown welterweight, I said he proved he could fight there. Manny didn't even weight close to 150 against Margs but he obviously proved he could fight at WW before and during that fight too.

He never took a hard punch from DLH because HE fought that way. He just completely outclassed Oscar. When has Pac ever fought that way, before or since? He didn't want to be hit a single time, yet he was just taking Cotto's punches all day. That was the best Pac has looked to me. You could argue that he looked better against Hatton for the obvious reasons but I think against DLH was his best performance. Hatton was never the fighter that DLH was.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I don't rate the oscar win very highly at all, I think clearly oscar was past it and probably very weight drained (his own mistake thinking he could make 147). I mean he didn't even look good against stevie forbes prior to pacquiao (which is why I predicted pac would stop him). It really was a lightweight fighting an old welterweight.

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

You know, I thought that for the longest time. I watched that fight again way after the fact and realized that it was all Pac. I don't think weight was the issue in that fight. It may have been an issue with punching power if DLH was landing at all but he looked to have plenty of energy throughout the fight, that's usually the biggest tell tale sign. He just flat out couldn't catch Pacquiao. Pac's footwork was brilliant and his constant head movement (something he's totally abandoned as he's stayed at WW) totally baffled DLH. DLH wasn't even landing his jab. In those situations you gotta jab the guy in the chest to stop his head movement but he was missing everything pretty much.