Mosley or Pacquiao?
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^^^ if it was 3 or 4 years ago i would say mosely too!!!
Yet i dont think mosely is as shot as many think... Their argument is the floyd fight and the mora fight: W/ Floyd mosely did start strong, but u have to understand that floyd adapted to shanes fight plan and had shane guessing from round 3-12! He was not able to get off because of flyds ring gerneralship!
W/ Mora He did look Pretty Drained after the 8th, But you must consider the fact that he was fighting a much bigger guy who was actually running from him!! it's kinda hard to chase someone and punch @ the same time!!
It will be the exact opposite with manny, he will come foward and fight shane....
So u having shane winning isnt that crazy !!!
i personally have manny winning...
Yet i dont think mosely is as shot as many think... Their argument is the floyd fight and the mora fight: W/ Floyd mosely did start strong, but u have to understand that floyd adapted to shanes fight plan and had shane guessing from round 3-12! He was not able to get off because of flyds ring gerneralship!
W/ Mora He did look Pretty Drained after the 8th, But you must consider the fact that he was fighting a much bigger guy who was actually running from him!! it's kinda hard to chase someone and punch @ the same time!!
It will be the exact opposite with manny, he will come foward and fight shane....
So u having shane winning isnt that crazy !!!
i personally have manny winning...
My definition of a shot fighter is a fighter that has taken a lot of punishment in the ring, and for the the rest of their career they're never the same again. These are some fighters I would say was shot after these fights Vargas after the Tito fight, Pavlik and J. Taylor after B-Hop got to them, or Cotto after the Margarito fight.
KAH707KALI-If Mosley's not the same fighter then why should I hype up a win for Manny against a old Mosley? Maybe you're stop dodging the question and answer it this time.
KAH707KALI-If Mosley's not the same fighter then why should I hype up a win for Manny against a old Mosley? Maybe you're stop dodging the question and answer it this time.
^^Taylor & Pavlik were shot after bhop? Bernard didn't physically "punish" either one, he may have schooled Pavlik, out-boxed the shit out of him and as for taylor while I thought hopkins won they were very close fights. Maybe they weren't the same fighters because they lost confidence in themselves but it certainly wasn't because of any physical beating. This just further shows your definition of shot is whack.
Cotto, while he's on the tail end of his career he's the #1 LMW in the world and a champion. He's not shot. He may not be quite as good as he once was but the correct terminology for that would be "past prime". Again, shot is Roy Jones or Jeff lacy or Antwun Echols or Evander Holyfield. Those are shot fighters. Still competing and winning on the championship level is not shot.
Cotto, while he's on the tail end of his career he's the #1 LMW in the world and a champion. He's not shot. He may not be quite as good as he once was but the correct terminology for that would be "past prime". Again, shot is Roy Jones or Jeff lacy or Antwun Echols or Evander Holyfield. Those are shot fighters. Still competing and winning on the championship level is not shot.
who said im hypin him up where do you see me sayin you should hype up this victory if manny wins only fight people wanna see is hoeweather and pacman pacman is out fight hoeweather is beatin up on his baby momma after sayin he was on vacation after manny agreed to fight him now he needs a tune up fight and most likely has the im not interested in boxing right now excuse lined up for after his tune up fight it would be pure bomedy if he lost his tune up fight
Taylor beat Ouma & cory spinks and had a legit draw against Winky (underrated fight, imo).
Pavlik beat Rubio who has proved to be a pretty solid fighter, was tied and won all the middle rounds against Sergio Martinez and scored a knockdown, before suffering two bad cuts then lost the last four rounds.
Pavlik is not shot. His problem was alcohol addiction. Maybe the loss to hopkins sent him into a depression, but he wasn't physically shot. He was a drunk and was in the betty ford clinic a couple times (in fact he was in the betty ford clinic just days before he fought martinz so that says a lot about him being able to lose in a very competitive fight to the now #3 pound 4 pound fighter in the world (soon to be #2 after May 1st)).
Taylor is shot NOW, but not after Hopkins. He suffered 3 really bad KO losses in a short period of time (pavlik, froch, abraham). He certainly wasn't shot after hopkins though.
Shot means your physically shot. You're done. Physically you're not there, can't take a punch, etc.
If one falls into a slump or a depression or whatever but physically still perfectly fine how can that be shot?? There is no coming back from being shot. You're done. A guy in a slump or lack of confidence can rise again and be physically just fine. Pavlik for example if he ever gets his swagger back he could win some big fights.
He's smarter and he's fighting at 154 pounds. He can't KO everyone anymore at such a high weight class for him. Further he was always a boxer-puncher. He never was some head first brawler you make him out to be, cotto is a very technical fighter, he's a thinking man in the ring. Against smaller dudes he could break them down with punches over times. Against bigger guys he can't do that as effective. He's also at the tail end of his career. He has sowed down a bit and you can say he's past prime. Not quite as good as he was earlier in his career but still good.
Pavlik beat Rubio who has proved to be a pretty solid fighter, was tied and won all the middle rounds against Sergio Martinez and scored a knockdown, before suffering two bad cuts then lost the last four rounds.
Pavlik is not shot. His problem was alcohol addiction. Maybe the loss to hopkins sent him into a depression, but he wasn't physically shot. He was a drunk and was in the betty ford clinic a couple times (in fact he was in the betty ford clinic just days before he fought martinz so that says a lot about him being able to lose in a very competitive fight to the now #3 pound 4 pound fighter in the world (soon to be #2 after May 1st)).
Taylor is shot NOW, but not after Hopkins. He suffered 3 really bad KO losses in a short period of time (pavlik, froch, abraham). He certainly wasn't shot after hopkins though.
Shot means your physically shot. You're done. Physically you're not there, can't take a punch, etc.
If one falls into a slump or a depression or whatever but physically still perfectly fine how can that be shot?? There is no coming back from being shot. You're done. A guy in a slump or lack of confidence can rise again and be physically just fine. Pavlik for example if he ever gets his swagger back he could win some big fights.
He's smarter and he's fighting at 154 pounds. He can't KO everyone anymore at such a high weight class for him. Further he was always a boxer-puncher. He never was some head first brawler you make him out to be, cotto is a very technical fighter, he's a thinking man in the ring. Against smaller dudes he could break them down with punches over times. Against bigger guys he can't do that as effective. He's also at the tail end of his career. He has sowed down a bit and you can say he's past prime. Not quite as good as he was earlier in his career but still good.
Taylor was hurt in his first fight against Hopkins but not in the 2nd. To me Taylor wasnt the same after fightering Pavlik twice, funny there both mentioned as being shot fighters given the circumstances. Pavliks career is kinda sad, he became big cuz of beating Taylor like he did and it seems it was all downhill after that it seems cuz of injuries or infections, that is after he fought Hopkins but wasnt really hurt in that fight just embarrassed. The only shot fighters to me are the ones that had wars in the ring like Morales and Barrera yet Morales was able to have a good showing only a few weeks ago and his wars happened years go.
Cotto I agree never been the same after that Margarito fight. He was a machine before that fight that could fight through anything that had that killer instinct. Every time he got punched after that fight he got all defensive cuz he couldn't take the punches as well. I said after that fight his legacy was ruined and I didn't even realize at the time Margarito cheated. That's so fucked up to make it unbeaten as long as he did only to lose to a fucken bitch that should have been banned from boxing.
Cotto I agree never been the same after that Margarito fight. He was a machine before that fight that could fight through anything that had that killer instinct. Every time he got punched after that fight he got all defensive cuz he couldn't take the punches as well. I said after that fight his legacy was ruined and I didn't even realize at the time Margarito cheated. That's so fucked up to make it unbeaten as long as he did only to lose to a fucken bitch that should have been banned from boxing.
Taylor was hurt in his first fight against Hopkins but not in the 2nd. To me Taylor wasnt the same after fightering Pavlik twice, funny there both mentioned as being shot fighters given the circumstances. Pavliks career is kinda sad, he became big cuz of beating Taylor like he did and it seems it was all downhill after that it seems cuz of injuries or infections, that is after he fought Hopkins but wasnt really hurt in that fight just embarrassed. The only shot fighters to me are the ones that had wars in the ring like Morales and Barrera yet Morales was able to have a good showing only a few weeks ago and his wars happened years go.
Cotto I agree never been the same after that Margarito fight. He was a machine before that fight that could fight through anything that had that killer instinct. Every time he got punched after that fight he got all defensive cuz he couldn't take the punches as well. I said after that fight his legacy was ruined and I didn't even realize at the time Margarito cheated. That's so fucked up to make it unbeaten as long as he did only to lose to a fucken bitch that should have been banned from boxing.
Cotto I agree never been the same after that Margarito fight. He was a machine before that fight that could fight through anything that had that killer instinct. Every time he got punched after that fight he got all defensive cuz he couldn't take the punches as well. I said after that fight his legacy was ruined and I didn't even realize at the time Margarito cheated. That's so fucked up to make it unbeaten as long as he did only to lose to a fucken bitch that should have been banned from boxing.
cotto I think lost something in the margarito fight but my whole argument is that doesn't mean he's shot, like biface says. Not the same, past prime, whatever you want to call it he's not shot.
and I don't think cotto's legacy is ruined, I think when it's all said and done after he retires and the dust settles, he's going to end up in the hall of fame. He fought everyone there was to fight and that's rare these days (except for floyd but that was never his fault), and won titles in three weight classes. The fight with margarito will always have an asterisks next to it with the boxing community and his only other loss was to one of the greatest fighters of this era.
and I don't think cotto's legacy is ruined, I think when it's all said and done after he retires and the dust settles, he's going to end up in the hall of fame. He fought everyone there was to fight and that's rare these days (except for floyd but that was never his fault), and won titles in three weight classes. The fight with margarito will always have an asterisks next to it with the boxing community and his only other loss was to one of the greatest fighters of this era.
sneak peak of Pacquiao punching Tosh.0 (with Joe Rogan):
http://tosh.comedycentral.com/blog/...akes-a-punch-from-pacquiao/?xrs=synd_facebook
Things get violent when Tosh.0 returns.
Watch Manny Pacquiao take on Shane Mosley from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas Saturday, May 7th. (Contact your local cable system to purchase the live telecast of the fight.)
Then tune in to NEW EPISODES of Tosh.0 starting May 17th!
Hopefully the swelling goes down by then…
http://tosh.comedycentral.com/blog/...akes-a-punch-from-pacquiao/?xrs=synd_facebook
Things get violent when Tosh.0 returns.
Watch Manny Pacquiao take on Shane Mosley from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas Saturday, May 7th. (Contact your local cable system to purchase the live telecast of the fight.)
Then tune in to NEW EPISODES of Tosh.0 starting May 17th!
Hopefully the swelling goes down by then…
