Mayweather V. Ortiz
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Ortiz will have to knockout Mayweather like Traver did Roy in order to win this fight. In other words Ortiz will have to land a bomb on Floyd and knock him out cold. Ortiz was not able to finish off Berto and he had him hurt in the 1st round. Mayweather has a better chin and he knows how to fight himself out of trouble. Ortiz is in for a long night..
if there's a main objective of the 24/7 series, it seems to be to paint the picture of an underdog with so much heart and determination, trying to convince viewers that he'll have a chance of beating a mayweather or pacquiao. i've been fooled on too many times by these hbo docs haha...de la hoyas comments further boosts that and makes ppl think this fight might be worth watching, which of course is in his benefit.
but in reality this will be another boring mayweather dominated fight, where ortiz will soon realize if he lunges in for shots he's gonna get worked, so his attack will become much more conservative, floyd will keep with his boring style and then will tell larry merchant that ortiz is an amazing fighter but that he's the best, and will beat around giving larry a solid answer when he asks him about fighting pac and will just say hes not afraid to fight anybody.
im more excited about watching an old washed up terrible erik morales fight, and hoping canelo tries to speak english after his win
but in reality this will be another boring mayweather dominated fight, where ortiz will soon realize if he lunges in for shots he's gonna get worked, so his attack will become much more conservative, floyd will keep with his boring style and then will tell larry merchant that ortiz is an amazing fighter but that he's the best, and will beat around giving larry a solid answer when he asks him about fighting pac and will just say hes not afraid to fight anybody.
im more excited about watching an old washed up terrible erik morales fight, and hoping canelo tries to speak english after his win
I think there's a myth about the type of chin Ortiz has. How can we really discount the chins of guys like Tito Trinidad, Gamboa, Maidana, JM Marquez etc... Out of all those guys listed, only one was ever knocked out but between them they were knocked down nearly 30 times in their careers.
Ortiz was stopped against Maidana but that wasn't a question of chin to me, he just caved in. He survived two knockdowns against Berto including the trainwreck of a knockdown in that fight and got up. He literally got the slobber knocked out of him and got up and knocked Berto down in that round. I think he has far from a "weak" chin. It's not like the case of a knockout loss like Khan suffered at the hands of Prescott where the first jab buckled Khan's legs and he was knocked the hell out in the first round. Until that happens, Ortiz has an underrated chin to me. As he continues to grow into his body at 147, his chin will improve. I think he actually suffers from a weak neck which can cause you to get knocked down easily but not out.
Although, there's a lot to be said for accurate punching. Even the best chin in the world can't handle being tagged with clean shots all night. Sergio Martinez has a good chin but he looked to be hurt pretty bad against Dzinzurik before coming back in that last round. He was just taking so many clean shots on the chin but was able to bounce back.
Ortiz was stopped against Maidana but that wasn't a question of chin to me, he just caved in. He survived two knockdowns against Berto including the trainwreck of a knockdown in that fight and got up. He literally got the slobber knocked out of him and got up and knocked Berto down in that round. I think he has far from a "weak" chin. It's not like the case of a knockout loss like Khan suffered at the hands of Prescott where the first jab buckled Khan's legs and he was knocked the hell out in the first round. Until that happens, Ortiz has an underrated chin to me. As he continues to grow into his body at 147, his chin will improve. I think he actually suffers from a weak neck which can cause you to get knocked down easily but not out.
Although, there's a lot to be said for accurate punching. Even the best chin in the world can't handle being tagged with clean shots all night. Sergio Martinez has a good chin but he looked to be hurt pretty bad against Dzinzurik before coming back in that last round. He was just taking so many clean shots on the chin but was able to bounce back.
@Chriss you said:
But later you said this.
Let's be honest. The way Ortiz fights, coming in and lunging all night, he leaves himself open to getting hit and counterpunched. If he continues to go that route, his chin won't improve.
Also, with the people you listed (Ortiz included) you have to consider who was doing the punching.
But later you said this.
Let's be honest. The way Ortiz fights, coming in and lunging all night, he leaves himself open to getting hit and counterpunched. If he continues to go that route, his chin won't improve.
Also, with the people you listed (Ortiz included) you have to consider who was doing the punching.
His style is definitely his gift and his curse, no question. He has improved some on offense and defense but obviously not a lot. What I meant by his chin improving is, he'll be less likely to get dropped. Much in the way that Cotto and Khan have by moving up in weight. Particularly when Cotto moved from 140 to 147. Cotto has still be knocked down obviously just a lot less chinny at 147 than 140.
Man, was corrales ever chinny too. No doubt. His knees would just give out sometimes it looked like.
I'm curious as to what type of fight Ortiz will fight. He was a man on fire against Berto. If he can keep that up all night and be a man possessed, I actually like his chances. If he's reluctant at all, it's gonna be a long night.
I'm curious as to what type of fight Ortiz will fight. He was a man on fire against Berto. If he can keep that up all night and be a man possessed, I actually like his chances. If he's reluctant at all, it's gonna be a long night.
as am I. But I think his inexperience will really show. I mean, fighting on this stage, this BIG OF A STAGE, is something totally new to him. That fire against Berto he had something to prove, but that was a much, much smaller stage. Fighting Floyd at a packed las vegas arena, with millions watching globally....that's got to be nerve racking to a young fighter. Maybe he can block it out, but I don't think most fighters could unless they already have a couple big fights under their belt.
^^^^You have to take him at his word though. He said on last episode 24/7 he doesn't really have fears cause of his upbringing.
The only thing that bothers me with Ortiz is the FACT that he gave up against Maidana. I don't like that. He must have been having problems with something that no one but him knows about. I know he has fought his way back to this point, but I just hate that shit.
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The only thing that bothers me with Ortiz is the FACT that he gave up against Maidana. I don't like that. He must have been having problems with something that no one but him knows about. I know he has fought his way back to this point, but I just hate that shit.
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For me, personally, if I was Ortiz I would have a serious chip on my shoulder. He doesn't seem to have that like he did against Berto. That's how I always looked at fighting, like that dude is trying to take away everything you've ever worked for in one fight, losing is not an option. It's 36 minutes of your life or less to go out and destroy this guy. That's the mentality I would have personally. I understand you have to be calculated and roll with the punches, but he doesn't seem to have that. But he obviously looks to be training hard so maybe he is that way and just isn't showing it. Floyd holds virtually every advantage other than size, punching power, tenacity and I guess you could say age too. Everything else and Floyd has a decided advantage. Punching power is always a good equalizer.
Ortiz is coming in at his best.
Chances are that it still wont be good enough.
We'll see but he looks damn good right now. Prime shape and his timing seems perfect.
It will be a little closer than people will expect, but I still have to state the obvious and say Floyd dominates with pure boxing skill. There's just no way around it. Maybe if Ortiz throws 100 punches a round, 80 of those being power shots. I mean, I don't know what else he can do.
Good luck to him and his camp though.
Chances are that it still wont be good enough.
We'll see but he looks damn good right now. Prime shape and his timing seems perfect.
It will be a little closer than people will expect, but I still have to state the obvious and say Floyd dominates with pure boxing skill. There's just no way around it. Maybe if Ortiz throws 100 punches a round, 80 of those being power shots. I mean, I don't know what else he can do.
Good luck to him and his camp though.