Mayweather V. Ortiz

[dookie1]

any one have a stream for 24/7 & the BERTo fight tonight?!

 

[HERESY]

happy bday comrade :chinese:

Good lookin out, comrade! I've been away for like a month or so, just got back and I also see the props button is back!

 

[JLMACN]

Man Ortiz is in tiptop shape......

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

Mosley was getting hit clean but to stop the fight would've been silly to me personally and normally I'm all for stopping a fight if it's necessary. He wasn't getting beaten up badly by any means to me. I've watched the fight numerous times.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Now imagine if thats Ortiz who has nowhere near the chin as Mosley

 

[JLMACN]

Ortiz doesn't have a chin? I thought kinda put that to rest after the Berto fight. Berto landed a clean right on him and he got back up. Hell mAidana couldn't even knock him out with all those hits.....

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Ortiz doesn't have a chin? I thought kinda put that to rest after the Berto fight. Berto landed a clean right on him and he got back up. Hell mAidana couldn't even knock him out with all those hits.....

He got dropped twice in the fight. Just sayin he's a bit chinny and open to be hit. Obviously he showed tremendous heart against berto but Floyd is a completely different animal. Its going to be very discouraging for Ortiz as the fight goes on as he's getting countered to hell and not being effective that's when ur mind turns against you

Maidana was certainly on his way to a ko Ortiz just retired before that could happen

 

[trips]

Mayweather breaks from training to spend time with US Troops in Afghanistan

Floyd Mayweather:after ortiz i'm working on the biggest contract ever to fight pac
http://boxscorenews.com/mayweather-...e-with-us-troops-in-afghanistan-p25941-68.htm

 

[JLMACN]

When is the last time Mayweather fought someone as strong as Ortiz?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Mosley is pretty strong. Maybe not as much as the fight went on though but very strong first few rounds at least

 

[T-Rip]

Mosley is the only one to stop Margarito. Yes Pac fucked his eye up but Mosley ko'd him.

 

[dookie1]

Mosley is the only one to stop Margarito. Yes Pac fucked his eye up but Mosley ko'd him.

you have to consider the fact that Manny took his foot off the gas on purpose, he didnt want to hurt the dude anymore.....

if he was relentless i think he would have KO'd him!

 

[drunkaholic707]

Mosley is the only one to stop Margarito. Yes Pac fucked his eye up but Mosley ko'd him.

i rather get knocked out the get my eye completely fucked pacman pretty much ended his career who knows how that shit is gonna hold up against cotto

 

[ArGenTin3]

Mosley is pretty strong. Maybe not as much as the fight went on though but very strong first few rounds at least

This past 24/7 De La Hoya was right when he was pointing out Floyd's recent foes. None of them hold a candle to Ortiz when it comes to the matchups with Floyd. He is a southpaw, younger, bigger, stronger (other then mosley) and faster (other then mosley) then all of them.

Mosley just doesn't have it anymore, sure he is strong and fast as fuck but all that strength and speed won't help if you aren't willing to throw some meaningful punches.

 

[mjg408]

$50 on ortiz locked in at +1200 LOL

 

[trips]

you have to consider the fact that Manny took his foot off the gas on purpose, he didnt want to hurt the dude anymore.....

if he was relentless i think he would have KO'd him!

Manny said the Margarito fight is the toughest fight he ever been in(he almost got dropped, was hurt bad). Mosley beat Margacheto with ease, barely got touched and Margarito was coming off a bigg win against Cotto not a loss and a year ban

 

[bigface]

Mosley almost killed Margarito. After the Cotto fight and the Mosley beating Margarito great chin was broken. Manny put the finishings on his chin. Ortiz is going to find out what Hatton and Mosley found out to late, that Mayweather boxing skills are on a whole another level. I can't wait until fight night.

 

[Timm]

I'd rank Mosley's victory over Margarito higher than Manny's.

Mosley was the underdog in that shit, he was like 37-38 years old too, got that TKO

Everyone kind of knew that manny was going to whoop margaritos ass, and this was after a quick tuneup (Garcia) after a year of inactivity

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I'd rank Mosley's victory over Margarito higher than Manny's.

well yeah obviously. Margarito was champ, coming off his TKO of Cotto.

It's funny how the entire sport would have been changed with one single fight. If we remember, everyone was talking about Oscar de la hoya fighting the Cotto-Margarito winner. Margarito was talking mad shit about Oscar. Everyone wanted to see it happen, then Oscar "cherry picks" a fight with a lightweight in manny, thinking he'll have the size advantage. Margarito is left with no one but an "old" mosley, another name he can add to his resume. And the rest is history.

Imagine if Oscar would have fought Margarito. Margarito probably would have become a superstar, never would have got caught loading his gloves, etc. and the ripple effect would have changed the entire sport practically.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

This past 24/7 De La Hoya was right when he was pointing out Floyd's recent foes. None of them hold a candle to Ortiz when it comes to the matchups with Floyd. He is a southpaw, younger, bigger, stronger (other then mosley) and faster (other then mosley) then all of them.

Mosley just doesn't have it anymore, sure he is strong and fast as fuck but all that strength and speed won't help if you aren't willing to throw some meaningful punches.

maybe. I don't mean to sell ortiz short here, I know he's young & powerful and it seems he has the determination & desire needed. Hell, he proved me wrong already big time against berto.

My logic isn't that he doesn't have those things, my logic is he doesn't have the right boxing tools to beat floyd or pose a huge threat.

Here was my breakdown on why I think this:

Ortiz has had two title fights, going 1-1 (Maidana KO loss, Berto win).

Floyd has had about 18 title fights. So obviously Ortiz has to show us he belongs in there with the elite names.

With that said, I do expect floyd to dominate, even if ortiz has that same fire in him he had against berto. One reason I come to that conclusion is because Ortiz doesn't have much of a jab and imo if he wants to get inside on floyd he's going to need a strong jab to do that, or else he'll just be walking into counter shots all night. So unless he develops a great jab this training camp, I just don't see him being able to get inside and landing shots consistently and overpowering floyd.

Castillo was much more technically sound than Ortiz. Castillo also used A LOT of head movement when he would work his way inside (dipped his head down low and bobbed side to side), something ortiz doesn't do. In addition he worked the body very well and he had a fantastic chin at that time. He also had 50 fights going into the floyd fight and had been in the ring with better opponents.

If you re-watch the Berto fight, Ortiz lunges in with shots from the outside, that's basically how he gets his shots off and to get inside. that, IMO, spells absolute disaster against a technician like floyd. You can't lunge in against Floyd or you'll get Ricky Hatton'd. You need to either work your way in with a STRONG jab (not a lazy, half-assed jab like mosley used) or do what castillo did and bob and weave that head around unpredictably. Ortiz does neither.

That's why I'm not betting on him! Too inexperienced and doesn't have the right skill sets to beat floyd (strong jab to get inside, head movement). Lamont Peterson was giving Ortiz some problems too and I use that as an indicator. Watch the mid-late rounds of that fight and watch how easily at times he was able to counter ortiz and set traps.