Manny Pacquiao vs Joshua Clottey
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Listen bruh, I've given Pacman credit. He's a good or great fighter (depending on how you define good/great) but I am not going to call him the best pound for pound/WW in the world until he beats the winner of the Floyd vs Shane fight. Now you Pacman fans can call it hating or you can call it what you want. Me, I'm calling it like I see it. He's not the best until he beats the best and the best WW's are fighting on May 1st!
Floyd went up in weight too and beat good fighters from Chico Corrales (who was undefeated) to De La Hoya (at 154). I was just getting into boxing and I was following Chico. So I tune in to see Chico fight Mayweather (at that point I wasn't familiar with Mayweather) and boy that was a whoopin.... them left hooks Floyd was landin' had Chico spinnin'...
Floyd went up in weight too and beat good fighters from Chico Corrales (who was undefeated) to De La Hoya (at 154). I was just getting into boxing and I was following Chico. So I tune in to see Chico fight Mayweather (at that point I wasn't familiar with Mayweather) and boy that was a whoopin.... them left hooks Floyd was landin' had Chico spinnin'...
LOL, Arum is slick. He knew Clottey (another fighter he promotes) had no real chance of beating Pacman. So he set Pacman up for a $17-20 million dollar sparring session at the Dallas Cowboy stadium. Arum knew that if Pacman fought Mayweather on March 13th and lost that would be the end. Might at well get as much money out of Pacman while he's still fighting. Now they can collect their millions and still wolf about beating Mayweather. Genius!!
I believe he'll be "done" because all the hype would die down if he were to lose to Mayweather. He'd lose his number one pound for pound ranking in the process of losing. They're using Mayweather's name to hype Manny up. Arum, Roach, and Pacman can't keep Mayweather's name out of their mouths. The opportunity was there for the taking and they didn't take it. That's why I say they're wolfin'...
Maybe it's just me, but based on both of the fighters' past, who is more likely to duck an opponent? Manny has fought everyone put in front of him while PFB has ducked several opponents (Mosley, Margarito, Paul Williams, Pac?).
Mayweather is the one with more to lose in a fight against Manny, he's got his "perfect" record which I'm sure he doesn't want to blemish. He's the one that pulled the steroid and drug testing stunts, which is why the fight didn't happen. Whose really ducking who?
It seems like you're in a fantasy world bro, you need to wake up and find reality...
Mayweather is the one with more to lose in a fight against Manny, he's got his "perfect" record which I'm sure he doesn't want to blemish. He's the one that pulled the steroid and drug testing stunts, which is why the fight didn't happen. Whose really ducking who?
It seems like you're in a fantasy world bro, you need to wake up and find reality...
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Pacquiao apparently feels that the current Nevada State Athletic Commission's standards are adequate. He also states that he hates to have his blood drawn as required by Olympic-style testing, known as WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency or US Anti-Doping Agency) testing. Furthermore, he is superstitious and has never undergone this procedure before any of his other major fights.
A bit of information is in order to help better divine his possible true motivation.
I will not bore you with the minutia but the most glaring differences between Nevada's process and WADA's are: the samples being tested, the level of scrutiny and what substances can be easily detected in those samples. Simply put. Nevada tests urine and WADA tests blood for banned substances.
Testing urine can find an illegal drop in a bucket. Testing blood can find an illegal drop in an Olympic-size swimming pool. Possibly far more important, current urine testing does NOT test for Human Growth Hormone (Hgh) and blood testing does.
Pacquiao apparently feels that the current Nevada State Athletic Commission's standards are adequate. He also states that he hates to have his blood drawn as required by Olympic-style testing, known as WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency or US Anti-Doping Agency) testing. Furthermore, he is superstitious and has never undergone this procedure before any of his other major fights.
A bit of information is in order to help better divine his possible true motivation.
I will not bore you with the minutia but the most glaring differences between Nevada's process and WADA's are: the samples being tested, the level of scrutiny and what substances can be easily detected in those samples. Simply put. Nevada tests urine and WADA tests blood for banned substances.
Testing urine can find an illegal drop in a bucket. Testing blood can find an illegal drop in an Olympic-size swimming pool. Possibly far more important, current urine testing does NOT test for Human Growth Hormone (Hgh) and blood testing does.
Well if PBF did duck Margarito (thank God) there's no tellin' what Margarito would have loaded his gloves with during that fight. Floyd would have scored a shut out in that fight if Margo's gloves weren't loaded. He'd be perfect. You see how easily Shane and Cotto landed punches.
Paul Williams? What a joke.... Paul Williams got beat by a bum!
Floyd was calling Shane out when Shane was beating up Vargas and Mayorga.... after the fight the announcers told Shane that Floyd wanted to fight and Shane said he needed a vacation and he needed to get his tooth fixed and that Floyd should go fight Margarito.
Paul Williams? What a joke.... Paul Williams got beat by a bum!
Floyd was calling Shane out when Shane was beating up Vargas and Mayorga.... after the fight the announcers told Shane that Floyd wanted to fight and Shane said he needed a vacation and he needed to get his tooth fixed and that Floyd should go fight Margarito.
^If they Mayweather's felt that way, why haven't they done that every fight? Why only vs Pac? And why aren't they pushing to have this type of testing across the board in all boxing? If they're really worried about the issue of steroids, those are the steps to take.
However, none of that is being done which is why it comes down to PBF not wanting to fight Manny and coming up with whatever excuse he can think of.
However, none of that is being done which is why it comes down to PBF not wanting to fight Manny and coming up with whatever excuse he can think of.
damn bruh i don't really mind that you don't really keep it real because it's entertaining to see you debate with people that actually keep it 100 and state facts, but you saying pac needs mayweather for the hype? he's passed mayweather status if you ain't heard homie. minus the perfect record he don't have shit on manny right now. he ain't selling as many tickets - fact, ain't selling as many ppv's -fact, he ain't fighting the same competition -fact (exception for this upcoming mosley fight), he ain't taking risks fighting all the top fighters - fact, he don't fight to please the crowd or fans - fact, he don't have no big endorsements like nike - fact(team pacquiao gear pretty much sells out when shit drops). what else do you need to see that mayweather is full of shit LMAO! manny don't need that fool for hype! it's right in front of your eyes, but for some weird reason you think mayweather is god and can do no wrong.
Of course Mosley will agree to do those tests, how would it look if they didn't? It would be too obvious he was ducking Manny, can't make it that obvious so at least his dickriders will still believe he doesn't duck.
What about the Mosley vs Berto fight that was supposed to happen bro? They def didnt' have these strict tests for that fight, do the Mayweathers not care about Berto's health? He's under their promotion team too you know.
It's fairly easy to see, if you keep an open mind and forget your biases, that PBF pulled this drug testing shit out of his ass to get out of the fight. There's no other way to look at it IMO...
What about the Mosley vs Berto fight that was supposed to happen bro? They def didnt' have these strict tests for that fight, do the Mayweathers not care about Berto's health? He's under their promotion team too you know.
It's fairly easy to see, if you keep an open mind and forget your biases, that PBF pulled this drug testing shit out of his ass to get out of the fight. There's no other way to look at it IMO...
We've already went over Pay Per View numbers for Mayweather and Pacman and Mayweather has the numbers to prove he's the biggest draw.
Mayweather vs Marquez outsold Pacman vs Marquez and they fought twice, LMFAO!!
Mayweather vs Hatton outsold Pacman vs Hatton
Mayweather vs De La Hoya outsold Pacman vs De La Hoya
those are facts^^^^ check the pay per view numbers for yourself.
If you think I think Mayweather is God then you must think Pacman is God. I don't think Mayweather is God but he gets hated on waaaay too much.
Mayweather vs Marquez outsold Pacman vs Marquez and they fought twice, LMFAO!!
Mayweather vs Hatton outsold Pacman vs Hatton
Mayweather vs De La Hoya outsold Pacman vs De La Hoya
those are facts^^^^ check the pay per view numbers for yourself.
If you think I think Mayweather is God then you must think Pacman is God. I don't think Mayweather is God but he gets hated on waaaay too much.
Floyd can't dictate how other boxers fight and what they agree too. So bringing up the Berto vs Mosely fight doesn't make sense.
My mind is open and I don't have any biases so make sure you make that point to everyone in this boxing forum not just me.
If you think Floyd pulled the drug testing to get out of the fight, I disagree but that's your opinion. Floyd wouldn't have come down from 30 to 14 days if he was using that as an excuse to get out of the fight. He accepted the 50/50 split (even though numbers prove he's the bigger draw), the million dollar overweight fine (was it 1 million per pound or "10" million per pound) and the glove size that Manny wanted. Hmmmmm.....
My mind is open and I don't have any biases so make sure you make that point to everyone in this boxing forum not just me.
If you think Floyd pulled the drug testing to get out of the fight, I disagree but that's your opinion. Floyd wouldn't have come down from 30 to 14 days if he was using that as an excuse to get out of the fight. He accepted the 50/50 split (even though numbers prove he's the bigger draw), the million dollar overweight fine (was it 1 million per pound or "10" million per pound) and the glove size that Manny wanted. Hmmmmm.....
That's the funny part, if Floyd thinks he's a bigger draw than Manny he's trippin. It should be AT LEAST a 50/50 split if they fight. Crazy how he doesn't want to give props to Manny and admit they're at least on the same level. When Floyd retired, he could have made this argument. But after he came back, all the time he was gone Manny put in work and became the best. Who's ranked number one P4P in Ring Magazine? Last time I checked, it was Manny and not PBF.