Julio Cesar Chavez Jr vs Sergio Martinez Sept 15th

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Who Wins?

  • Chavez Jr by TKO/KO

    Votes: 7 25.9%
  • Chavez Jr by Decision

    Votes: 5 18.5%
  • Draw

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Martinez by TKO/KO

    Votes: 10 37.0%
  • Martinez by Decision

    Votes: 5 18.5%

  • Total voters
    27

CZAR

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I'm going back and forth because you don't seem to comprehend what is being explained and 206 and myself keep trying to explain it to you. Do you know how RING gets it's P4P ratings? If you did, we wouldn't be having this convo, you wouldn't be saying Manny is ducking Sergio and some of the other misconceptions you're putting out there. You wouldn't be tellign me what the majority of people are saying if you knew how Ring came to it's conclusions. So it isn't a matter of what I, HERESY, think. The FACT is the number one P4P spot is VACANT. You have TWO people at number two and one person at number three. The number three has a chance to fight ONE of those guys. Now would I say Floyd is the best in the world? Yes, and I've said it multiple times that he is the best. So if we forget about Ring's p4p, and we say he is number one, we can't say "Who cares about Martinez and his opinion" when Martinez is ranked THREE and has the chance to fight THE BEST. I'm not going over this again fam because you should have it by now.

Click the following link and you'll see what the Ring says about the current P4P ratings.

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings
Dude u are funny! I knew what u were trying to say from day one. I just dont agree with u and I think thats where the problem is. Its just like college rankings. Its all opinion and dont mean anything. Well in college football it means a big deal but not so much in college hoop. Anyway rankings are rankings and we all can do a top 10 list. Yes some get paid to do it but it still doesnt mean its a fact as people disagree and vote all day long. Thats all I am trying to say. Most peoples opinion would say Floyd is number one. Not 100% of the people but probably 80% or so I would guess. Other than that I know what u think and how the system works. Got Em!!
 

HERESY

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#82
Dude u are funny! I knew what u were trying to say from day one.
No, it's clear that you aren't comprehending what is being said. If you understood what I said from day one 206 wouldn't have to chime in and I wouldn't have to keep repeating myself.


I just dont agree with u and I think thats where the problem is. Its just like college rankings. Its all opinion and dont mean anything. Well in college football it means a big deal but not so much in college hoop. Anyway rankings are rankings and we all can do a top 10 list. Yes some get paid to do it but it still doesnt mean its a fact as people disagree and vote all day long. Thats all I am trying to say. Most peoples opinion would say Floyd is number one. Not 100% of the people but probably 80% or so I would guess. Other than that I know what u think and how the system works. Got Em!!
Did you not say "Also if everyone and all the list and magazines have Floyd number one who cares what Martinez says about Floyd's rank?" Those are your words right? The problem is, I'm not saying Floyd is NOT number one. I'm saying RING and most likely everyone else that Ring looks forward to/considers when they come up with their P4P ranking is saying Floyd is NOT number one. If you knew how Ring came up with the P4P rankings you wouldn't even mention all the list and magazines, because clearly, they DON'T all have Floyd ranked number one. So this isn't a matter of MY opinion but the FACT that the people YOU claim have him ranked at number one DON'T have him ranked at number one.

The link has been provided he is NOT the P4P according to Ring and Ring is an authority on the subject in most boxing critics, fans, afficiandos, media outlets, publications, organizations and state commisions eyes.

And it's funny how you say in most peoples opinion Floyd is number one, yet when it comes to someone who MATTERS, someone who is ranked right behind Floyd and who has the possibility of fighting Floyd, you say his opinion doesn't matter. SMH...

Anyway, lets just move on bro. You picken Sergio or do you have Jr for the win?
 

CZAR

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No, it's clear that you aren't comprehending what is being said. If you understood what I said from day one 206 wouldn't have to chime in and I wouldn't have to keep repeating myself.




Did you not say "Also if everyone and all the list and magazines have Floyd number one who cares what Martinez says about Floyd's rank?" Those are your words right? The problem is, I'm not saying Floyd is NOT number one. I'm saying RING and most likely everyone else that Ring looks forward to/considers when they come up with their P4P ranking is saying Floyd is NOT number one. If you knew how Ring came up with the P4P rankings you wouldn't even mention all the list and magazines, because clearly, they DON'T all have Floyd ranked number one. So this isn't a matter of MY opinion but the FACT that the people YOU claim have him ranked at number one DON'T have him ranked at number one.

The link has been provided he is NOT the P4P according to Ring and Ring is an authority on the subject in most boxing critics, fans, afficiandos, media outlets, publications, organizations and state commisions eyes.

And it's funny how you say in most peoples opinion Floyd is number one, yet when it comes to someone who MATTERS, someone who is ranked right behind Floyd and who has the possibility of fighting Floyd, you say his opinion doesn't matter. SMH...

Anyway, lets just move on bro. You picken Sergio or do you have Jr for the win?
U are taking some of the things I say to literal. Of course Martinez's opinion matters but at the same time who he really thinks is number one doesnt mean much as in he is either gonna get the fight or he isnt. Its not gonna change anything is what I mean. Everyone else will still form their own opinion. Thats all I mean. I am a huge Martinez fan. I have 4 favorite fighters at this point. Those four are of course Floyd is my number one guy followed by Broner, Martinez, & Ward. I Have Martinez whooping Chavez. What about u? Got Em!!
 
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I thought roach has done him wonders. you watch his fights prior to roach and he looked like a bum most of the time. since hooking up with him though he's turned into a real fighter.

its a pretty good fit since chavez will never be a defensive guru or great boxer. his best skills are going forward, attacking the body and his sturdy chin, which is what roach likes to have.

I don't think chavez would do well under a Stewart (its in chavez's DNA to brawl) where he'd have chavez stay on the outside and jab all night. he's not a technician like Nacho would try to make him. only other guy I think would be in par if not better than roach would be Garcia.
 
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#97
Yo, 2-0-Sixx can you start the september fight schedule thread a little early? Its gonna be a dope month of boxing..it cant come soon enough...thanks breh
 
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#98
I thought roach has done him wonders. you watch his fights prior to roach and he looked like a bum most of the time. since hooking up with him though he's turned into a real fighter.
I'm not saying Roach hasn't done a good job or hasn't improved Chavez.
I think there are other trainers that could have done a better job. Chavez is going to run into the same problems that Manny and Khan have ran into. Things turn bad when your offense can no longer be your defense.
 
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#99
I see it chavez jr stopping sergio mid to late rounds and maravilla, everyone saying chavez jr is to big and strong he should move up........... just think who wantz this more chavez jr or sergio?