Julio Cesar Chavez Jr vs Sergio Martinez Sept 15th

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"Martinez surprised many when he weighed 176 pounds during his prefight weight check late last week at his training camp in Oxnard, Calif." (30 days before fight)

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?columnist=rafael_dan&id=5738549

DiBella: If Froch Beats Ward, Martinez Fight Possible


By Mike Coppinger

With little opposition for middleweight champion Sergio Martinez in the barren 160-pound division, fans and observers alike have pushed for the 36-year-old Argentine to move up to the talent rich super middleweight division, where the likes of Lucian Bute, Mikkel Kessler, Carl Froch, Andre Ward and Andre Dirrell ply their craft.

But Martinez’s promoter Lou DiBella scoffs at the very idea, thinking his fighter is too small.

“No, that’s so stupid,” remarked DiBella on the prospect of Martinez going up to 168 for a big fight. ‘I’m sick of listening to idiots suggest it, and quote me on that, idiots. He is the smaller guy at every weigh-in. He’s smaller than [Darren] Barker, he’s smaller than [Sergiy] Dzinziruk, he walks around at 168. These ’68 pounders walk around at 190.

“He weighs in for fights at 156, 157, 158. He’s a very small middleweight. At ’68, he would just be overpowered. I’m not gonna do the [Manny] Pacquiao thing where you go pick a guy bigger than you who sucks. If he’s gonna fight a ’68 pounder, it would have to be a [Lucian] Bute or that level of guy. And frankly, the majority of those guys he’s too small for.

DiBella didn’t completely rule out Martinez moving up in weight, though, offering a possible exception.

“If Carl Froch were to pull off what a lot of people are gonna think is an upset and beat [Andre] Ward, that might be one guy down the line that could match-up with Sergio, because Carl’s not a big ’68 pounder.”



I was listening to his promoter trying to make big fight with Manny and Mayweather telling everyone that Martinez was small. I was thinking Martinez was a small middleweight but he does gain about 10 pounds before the fight. I was wrong.. Good shit 206..

 

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it's a good fight I just never understood the logic of someone saying a guy is ducking another guy who's one or two weight classes above. Especially someone like floyd who've already moved up multiple weight classes in his career just to get to 147.

I still think Mayweather will fight Martinez in his last fight if Segio keeps on winning.

 

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I was listening to his promoter trying to make big fight with Manny and Mayweather telling everyone that Martinez was small. I was thinking Martinez was a small middleweight but he does gain about 10 pounds before the fight. I was wrong.. Good shit 206..

yeah his promoter contradicts himself cuz he'll talk shit about floyd/pac not moving up to fight him and yet he is unwilling to have martinez move up to fight andre ward saying he's too small, which is the exact same reason pac/floyd wont fight at 160.

 

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I still think Mayweather will fight Martinez in his last fight if Segio keeps on winning.

After Floyd gets out of prison he should get back in shape and, when he is ready, take the fight with Martinez and then retire. The Pac fight will never happen, I think the Martinez fight will do slightly better numbers than the Cotto fight, Khan doesn't deserve a shot and neither does Bradley and some of the other names being tossed out there.

 

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Yeah, those two are part of the original eight but now you have one in between (same weight amount different name depending on the organization.) Again, Floyd entertained the possibility of fighting him before, and years ago Martinez said he would fight him at 154 (no way Floyd is making 160) so again, people were looking at the numbers (the weight) not the actual classes. You should read some of the threads on boxing forums concerning this topic and I'm talking threads from like 3 years ago regarding the possibility of them fighting. You never heard anyone talk about it? Also, I want to add this, I don't think Floyd was ducking Martinez, but it is something that both men were open to before and I think it should happen.

And Eddie Mustafa Muhammad is saying some of the same shit I said in the thread I made about judges.

yeah I've read discussions on various forums but a lot of those guys saying floyd NEEDS to fight Martinez or that floyd is ducking martinez or whatever I thought were clowns.

if I'm not mistaken floyd was talking about fighting martinez only at a catchweight of 150. Actually here, this is from Jan 2012:

http://www.boxingscene.com/mayweather-jr-if-martinez-make-150-we-fight--48685

I guess since floyd beat Cotto at 154 that's probably changed, but we'll have to see what floyd wants to do with his career after he gets out. Who knows. Martinez needs to look good against Chavez too (I'm sure he will but you never know, especially with the judges these days).

 

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Martinez for the win via late round stoppage.

After the win he should fight Floyd as he is another fighter that people say Floyd ducked/is ducking.

Actually Manny has been the one ducking Martinez for years. Just look it up. Martinez and hisa camp has said this several times. I never heard them once say Floyd is ducking. I do agree with 206 about the weight difference but Martinez always claims he would fight Manny at a catchweight but not sure what that weight was. Got Em!!

 

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Martinez said he'd fight floyd or pac at 150. So the pac haters would say "oh well manny fought at 150 against margarito therefore he's ducking martinez!" but Manny immediately after the Margarito fight vacated the belt and said he'd never fight that high again.

Floyd has entertained the idea of fighting Martinez which is probably why Sergio disses pac and praises floyd (since pac said no to fighting martinez at 150 or above whereas floyd has said it's a possibility).

Bottom line is neither of these guys have to fight above the weight class if they don't want to, just like Martinez doesn't have to go up to 168 to fight Andre Ward (which is exactly the same thing). Floyd is a bit bigger than Pac and technically he's a 154 pound fighter at the moment (although I don't see him anything more than a blown up welterweight) but Pac I think is just too damn small. It's one thing fighting a plasterless margarito at 150, it's a completely other thing fighting legit 154-160 pound fighters.

 

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Martinez said he'd fight floyd or pac at 150. So the pac haters would say "oh well manny fought at 150 against margarito therefore he's ducking martinez!" but Manny immediately after the Margarito fight vacated the belt and said he'd never fight that high again.

Floyd has entertained the idea of fighting Martinez which is probably why Sergio disses pac and praises floyd (since pac said no to fighting martinez at 150 or above whereas floyd has said it's a possibility).

Bottom line is neither of these guys have to fight above the weight class if they don't want to, just like Martinez doesn't have to go up to 168 to fight Andre Ward (which is exactly the same thing). Floyd is a bit bigger than Pac and technically he's a 154 pound fighter at the moment (although I don't see him anything more than a blown up welterweight) but Pac I think is just too damn small. It's one thing fighting a plasterless margarito at 150, it's a completely other thing fighting legit 154-160 pound fighters.

Naw I was just stating what Martinez and his camp has said. Im sure u heard it as u have said in the bolded part. I do cut Manny a bit slack here because of the weight although Martinez is willing to come down a great deal to fight him. Got Em!!

 

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Fat Dan Reports Mikey Garcia vs
Orlando Salido on the undercard.

sorry Canelo but this is gonna be a dope card

 

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Naw I was just stating what Martinez and his camp has said. Im sure u heard it as u have said in the bolded part. I do cut Manny a bit slack here because of the weight although Martinez is willing to come down a great deal to fight him. Got Em!!

"Floyd Mayweather needs to fight me if he wants to try to be in that pound-for-pound list...the majority of his opponents have been hand-picked and its noticeable too." - Sergio Martinez May 2011.

In the same interview where he made that statement he also said he is NOT going below 154 to fight either of these men (again this was in 2011, I don't know what his take is now.)

 

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"Floyd Mayweather needs to fight me if he wants to try to be in that pound-for-pound list...the majority of his opponents have been hand-picked and its noticeable too." - Sergio Martinez May 2011.

In the same interview where he made that statement he also said he is NOT going below 154 to fight either of these men (again this was in 2011, I don't know what his take is now.)

Ummm ok so u found a small statement of him mentioning Mayweather. Time and time again he mentions how Manny is ducking him. Here is just stating that Floyd needs to fight him. Has he mentioned it any other time or has he said that Floyd is ducking him? Of course he wants to fight either of them but he bads mouth Manny much more than he does Mayweather about a fight. Atleast Floyd has thought about fighting him while Manny has always said absolutely NO!!!!! Haha. Got Em!!

 

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Ummm ok so u found a small statement of him mentioning Mayweather. Time and time again he mentions how Manny is ducking him. Here is just stating that Floyd needs to fight him. Has he mentioned it any other time or has he said that Floyd is ducking him? Of course he wants to fight either of them but he bads mouth Manny much more than he does Mayweather about a fight. Atleast Floyd has thought about fighting him while Manny has always said absolutely NO!!!!! Haha. Got Em!!

Manny has no fights at 154 while Floyd does. Sergio said he would go to 150 and as of 2011has said he would not go below 154. 206 already told you what Pac did. He vacated the belt and no longer fought as high as he did. Floyd however has fought at 154 and it would be just like Sergio fighting Ward like 206 pointed out. Manny would get beat by Sergio. Floyd, however, is a different animal.

In regards to the statement posted, that was for your benefit not mine. You said you didn't know of an instance where he said Floyd was ducking or implied it and I provided it for you and there is plenty of more you can find if you use google and watch some interviews.

 

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Martinez also even admitted the obvious which is that Pac is too small for him while Floyd is physically bigger than Pac and is more natural at 154. This should be obvious to everyone.

 

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Martinez also even admitted the obvious which is that Pac is too small for him while Floyd is physically bigger than Pac and is more natural at 154. This should be obvious to everyone.

Obvious isn't obvious.

 

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Manny has no fights at 154 while Floyd does. Sergio said he would go to 150 and as of 2011has said he would not go below 154. 206 already told you what Pac did. He vacated the belt and no longer fought as high as he did. Floyd however has fought at 154 and it would be just like Sergio fighting Ward like 206 pointed out. Manny would get beat by Sergio. Floyd, however, is a different animal.

In regards to the statement posted, that was for your benefit not mine. You said you didn't know of an instance where he said Floyd was ducking or implied it and I provided it for you and there is plenty of more you can find if you use google and watch some interviews.

I wonder why Pac vacated the belt? Thats all I am saying. Also thats cool that u found a link and I mean who doesnt want to fight Mayweather to get paid? Of course hell bring Floyd up to try to get a fight. Im just saying Ive heard him sorta bad mouth Manny where he hasnt atleast bad mouthed Floyd. Got Em!!

Martinez also even admitted the obvious which is that Pac is too small for him while Floyd is physically bigger than Pac and is more natural at 154. This should be obvious to everyone.

I mean if Manny can fight Floyd and Floyd can fight Sergio then Manny can fight Sergio! No if ands or buts about it. Got Em!!

 

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I mean if Manny can fight Floyd and Floyd can fight Sergio then Manny can fight Sergio! No if ands or buts about it. Got Em!!

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THIS!

 

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I wonder why Pac vacated the belt? Thats all I am saying.

Because he's too small for the division obviously. He weighed in at 144 pounds for a fight at a catchweight of 150 pounds. It's quite clear 5'6 pacquiao is too small for the Junior Middleweight division. The guy started his career at 106 pounds how far do you want him to go? He's tapped out at 147.

I mean if Manny can fight Floyd and Floyd can fight Sergio then Manny can fight Sergio! No if ands or buts about it. Got Em!!

Floyd & Pacquiao would fight at 147 pounds. Would Sergio Martinez fight Pacquiao at 147 pounds? Of course not. I just don't see the logic in how someone can duck a guy who's not even in your own weight class. Again, if we apply this logic Sergio Martinez is ducking Andre Ward, who issued a challenge to Martinez. But we all know if Martinez feels he's too small for 168 pounds, he doesn't have to fight there, just like Pacquiao doesn't have to fight at 154 pounds.

 

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Because he's too small for the division obviously. He weighed in at 144 pounds for a fight at a catchweight of 150 pounds. It's quite clear 5'6 pacquiao is too small for the Junior Middleweight division. The guy started his career at 106 pounds how far do you want him to go? He's tapped out at 147.



Floyd & Pacquiao would fight at 147 pounds. Would Sergio Martinez fight Pacquiao at 147 pounds? Of course not. I just don't see the logic in how someone can duck a guy who's not even in your own weight class. Again, if we apply this logic Sergio Martinez is ducking Andre Ward, who issued a challenge to Martinez. But we all know if Martinez feels he's too small for 168 pounds, he doesn't have to fight there, just like Pacquiao doesn't have to fight at 154 pounds.

Well for one as long as he is on roids he could probably keep goin as high as he wanted to hahahahah. Also when did Ward challenge Martinez? I dont remember that and they are both 2 of my favorite fighters. Show a link or sumthin. Not saying he didnt do it but I dont remember that! Also think Martinez wants a bigger payday and fighting Floyd or Pac would be a bigger payday. Got Em!!

 

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just Google it you'll find tons of links here is one www.boxingnews24.com/2012/03/andre-ward-says-hes-ready-to-fight-sergio-martinez-next/

dibella and martinez responded saying martinez is too small for 168 and it wouldn't be fair, which of course is no different than challenging Pacquiao

 

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just Google it you'll find tons of links here is one www.boxingnews24.com/2012/03/andre-ward-says-hes-ready-to-fight-sergio-martinez-next/

dibella and martinez responded saying martinez is too small for 168 and it wouldn't be fair, which of course is no different than challenging Pacquiao

Well u know my stance on the weight situation. Boxers go up and down all the time so if u wanna be the best then fight the best! Got Em!!