Is E Dawg Racist

Hilltop Hound · Aug 23, 2002

mo-x said:

No she isn't. What you said couldn't be taken any other way. How can you just pack up and go anywhere when your people were robbed of all of their culture, language, and way of life? Then they are constant victims of racism and hate crimes and usually attacked by the government or judicial system once they make a substantial amount of money.
That's a fucked up statement no matter how much you sugarcoat it! You are not here by choice when you were born and raised here.
But if I were to play along with you on that note, IF all the black folks in America went back to Africa, would all the white folks in Africa go back to England and repay us for all the damages to our culture?

Hilltop Hound · Aug 23, 2002

This shit is sickening to my stomache to watch all the white people get really steammed up at S.H. (Sgt. Hustle)
Villian, you talking shit to S.H. for what? This was suppose to be about a white man crying about a black rapper for saying ONE metaphor in a song that had nothing to do with racism. Now all of a sudden she is the one crying about injustice?
She points out very strong truths and then people want to start insulting her character and making racist remarks! Like sexual preference or that she not's black. Well we know she aint black but she is a debater who has done her homework which is more than what half of you statement makers brought to the table.
Half of yall are getting mad like she talking to you! IF the shoe fits wear it. If you're not racist why are you mad? She is simply speaking on truths. Past or present it happened and it can't be forgotten or ignored. Bottom line.
This goes for Deluzion too.

Hilltop Hound · Aug 23, 2002

Al-Kaholik said:

#1. What happened to Reginald Denny was racist but it was also retaliation. However, being that it was retaliation doesn't make it right but you can understand how they are thinking.
Reginald Denny's case is no different from OJ. OJ didn't get convicted of the murder but yet he has to pay the family millions and can't get a job from a white man. He is constantly talked down as if he was guilty. And people do this for retaliation but it's not right.
#2. You fool, NOONE HAS HAD IT WORST THAN BLACKS. YOU HAVE A PROUD BLACK MAN RIGHT HERE TO SPEAK FOR MY PEOPLE! All 3 races were raped of their land but Natives still own a portion of land, have their own cities (reservations), and laws, plus get a check every month. Both Natives and Mexicans have MORE BUSINESSES THAN BLACKS. Blacks have the fewest amount of businesses owned. We still don't OWN the right to vote, we just borrowing it. We still have the highest amount of our people incarcerated, and murdered. And we suffered slavery the longest. Now who suffered more?
#3. And Villian went left with the whole conversation. Noone is talking about who copied what. All cultures have exchanged traditions. We talk about what Blacks and Mexicans and any other nationality started. However Chicanos did not start HIP HOP. That's a fact.
When rap came out, it was blacks who were doing it, as a result we were the first to get recognized for it. And it was YEARS before anyone of any other nationality got recognized. But Latins were doing hip hop for a long time too. Don't get me wrong I remember Mantronixs and all them cats.

Hilltop Hound · Aug 23, 2002

mo-x said:

Mo-X & Deluzional: Your ignorance is devastating. Did you know that Lincoln NEVER actually signed the bill? It's blank where a signature goes. And did you know he was also HALF BLACK. Maybe that's why he was trying to free them!
Did you also know that Blacks were the original man. So even with the Moore's, which is TRUE FACTS, they already had black genes in their blood. Noone just put that in them.
Also many more blacks died in the Civil War than whites. And not only did they die fighting for slavery they were sent out to die first with shoes that were too small for them to fit. And were discriminated by the soldiers they were to fight along with.

You guys kill me. Yall say yall aint racist, well let's look at the facts.
#1. Yall made statements about looking for handouts. No one asked for handouts. So where did that FUCKED UP STATEMENT come from. That was as racist as there come.
#2. Yall keep act like she's talking to you. If you didn't committ the crimes why you keep defending yourself? You can't erase what SOME white people have done in the past. Accept it, digest it. If someone refurbishes it that doesn't meant they want a hand out.
#3. Why are yall so tough on attacking blacks when it's not even a black making all the previous statements? She's pointing out truths and yall intern comeback with are immature answers.
Remember this, we talking about who is racist and right now you guys seem more racist than the one metaphor that E-Dawg said.
#4. Then we changed it to just talking about racism in general and that means bringing up facts and you guys can't follow up your responses. Especially Villian who is Mexican. It was cool to mention other races but why did you feel that you had to put the black man down in order to bring up your race? Shit your people were victims of white men too. I would've thought you would've been able to relate to the black man's struggle more because of all the similar struggles Hispanics went and still go through.
REMEMBER THIS:
*White men weren't gathered by the 100's & forced to live with Syphillis as a test
* Blacks were raped of there land. FORCED to move to new land and still oppressed longer than any other race.
* Blacks & Mexicans are the most racially profiled races.
* White is portrayed as good while black is portrayed as bad. (Exapmples if you die, you wear black. The bad guys wear black. But if you get married you wear white and so does the heroes.

tadou · Aug 23, 2002

this one isnt as long, i promise!!

(Disclaimer: if you find yourself getting pissed off by anything of mine that you read, say this magical phrase 5 times to yourself: "ITS ONLY THE INTERNET!!!")

foot note: i am half black, half white, and guess which half ive been discriminated against more often? If you do, ill send you an autographed poster of Barbara Walters in a halter top.

"What the fuck do you mean where is 'my definition' of the word "racism"? Maybe you arn't aware of this but there is a publication called a "dictionary" which provides you with all the definitions to all the words you will ever need, including "racism". Since you seem to have a problem understanding what that word means, I recommend you pick yourself up a 'dictionary' and start reading"--Sick Wid It

> On the Non-dickhead tip, if you tell something you're wrong yet do not explain WHY they are wrong, then YOU are the wrong one. And since im a prick and i dont feel like letting this go yet....a dictionary is a collection of words defined by their use in vernacular context. Fascinating concept, isnt it? Apparently, when these "words" were invented, there wasnt a huge computer to keep track of each word and make sure they only had one use each. As such, the definitions are subject to change. Go figure.

"If you think that by me posting a few sentences is enough for me to "talk in circles" and "rehash old arguments" then you are even more stupid than I thought"--Sick Wid It

> By posting a few sentences and, ADDITIONALLY, telling someone else that THEIR opinion was somehow "wrong", you fell victim to my rebuttal. ESPECIALLY when your main focus was NOTHING MORE than bringing down another person's, at that point, all-original rationale, while at the same time, YOU HAD NO NEW POINTS OF YOUR OWN....PERIOD!

"If you want to have any kind of conversation or debate with me, you better start sounding like you have even a tiny hint of intelligence. Of your posts that I have actually read, none of them did anything but make me feel like it was a waste of my time. I expect your reply to this to be the same. Suprise me...or more accurately, suprise everyone"--Sick Wid It

> Dont be pissed off at me because i can take every single incorrect statement you say, and flip it around and make you look like an idiot...hate YOURSELF for not keeping your mind as open as you SHOULD have. Sergeant Hustle said it best--"My eyes are wide fuckin open!"

Side note....rofl @ "you live in a bubble" :classic:

"You didn't directly call me a racist, but you did say: "^^^^THAT!!!! was fucking hilarious. I'm glad I solicited you. I knew you'd do this argument some justice.", sounds to me like you're agreeing with him"--Mo-X

> Agreeing with, and appreciating the well-thought out and prepared for commentary of someone = 2 different things. My friend (to borrow some Cool Nutz slang)--There are many barriers that you have yet to overcome.

"the people who are so defensive are that way because you're trying to pin something on them they didn't do"--Mo-X

> They're defensive because they dont know how to argue the NEUTRAL/LOGICAL/PHILOSOPHICAL way. Its this same reason that we have Democrats & Republicans, Liberals & Conservatives, etcetera. We arent "pinning" anything on them..they're writing it across their own forehead.

"I can't remember the last time I lynched someone"--Mo-X

> One would hope so.

"Me, as a white person, haven't done SHIT to any black person... "--Mo-X

> You amaze me with how much you strive to be a non-racist, yet, still fuck up and come off like one.

"(cont from prev.) and yet I'M the one pinned as a piece of shit like I was involved in slavery"--Mo-X

> Why you gettin emotional, dawg? Dont cry all over your keyboard; most of them arent waterproof.

"I was thinking out of the box from a different perspective and Tadou attacked me like Villain attacked you as a person. NOT COOL. We're simply arguing two ends of the spectrum... "--Mo-X

> If you say racist things, you are a racist. If you have a low voice, one might asume you are soft-spoken. If you make music, people will tend to call you a musician. My friend (damn thats catchy!), dont think of things in terms of 0% or 100%, think of them as an inconstant value in-between. The simple fact is, your comments are NOT 100% non-racist (as i have actively demonstrated), which makes you at LEAST 1% racist. AT THE VERY LEAST. (Need i explain further?)

"you seem to want to educate everyone here, but you're not giving us ISBN numbers to lookup are you?"--Mo-X

> Why am i not suprised that you're unfamiliar with books about African-Americans?

"my and my friend (who happens to be black) were workin at a job and kept gettin raises and promotions and I didn't get shit, best believe we worked just as hard as each other...the manager just liked him more for some reason"--Al-Kaholik

> A black man in a position of power will attract a following like flies to water. By giving this black guy continuous raises, the business maintains a "We love our black people!" image. Ill leave it at that.

"I think natives and mexicans in this country are the ones getting discriminated against the worst.."--Al-Kaholik

> Can you pretend you're me for a second, and slap myself?

"You tell us we have no idea how it is to be black, but NIETHER DO YOU"--Al-Kaholik

> Uh, i hate to be the bearer of bad news...but S.H. has an OVERWHELMING advantage when it comes to knowledge of being black, as is indicative of her previous commentary. You should go get another library card if you lost your first copy.

"no matter what you say the definition of racism is "racial prejudice or discrimination""--Al-Kaholik

> So you're able to discern when someone loses an arguement, yet, you must rely on someone else's definition of racism rather than your own? You are truly a funny man! I will pay you $17 to write me an essay on what its like to go from riding on the short yellow bus to driving one.

"I agree with alot of your points but the one about blacks not being able to be racist is complete BS, and i'm sure most blacks will agree with me that blacks can be racist as well"--Al-Kaholik

> So first you say you "have no idea how it is to be black", now you're saying you're "sure" that blacks would agree with your arguements? Do you notice a pattern going on here? Left, right...Left, right...For chrissakes, if you're gonna take sides, stay on one side or the other.

"i did not make up the defintion. i've learned it through intense study on the subject"--Sergeant Hustle

> You mean you didnt just flip open a dictionary, and learn the definition....?!?!?! NUH UHHHHH!!! I DONT BELIEVE IT, U r a LIARPANTS!!!!

"the only bubble i live in is named reality"--DeluzioN

> I would tell you about the bubble you USED TO live in, but thats between me and your mother :classic: (lol, sorry, i couldnt resist)

"did anybody ever think about how MANY white people died trying to free the black slaves in the Civil War??? our own PRESIDENT died for it!!!! yet im sure u dont take THAT into consideration"--DeluzioN

> WHOLY SHIT, YOU"RE RIGHT! Lets all boycott E-Dawg's cd until he apologizes to Lincoln's ancestors!!!! IM DOWN!!

"last but not least, I, nor have any of my ancestors, at any point in time, have ever owned african american slaves..."--DeluzioN

> Thats some memory you have there.

"read up on a group of north africans known as the Moores....they invaded what is now known as italy quite a long time ago, and slaughtered, pillaged, and most of all RAPED a vast portion of the country"

> Those were, most likely, Muslims...not the future slave Africans living in coastal areas, in the jungle, trying to grow cocoa and papayas. Just my personal opinion, i guess.

"italians used to be blonde hair blue eyed caucasians, but the darker aspects we know them by today were raped into them..."

> Yes, being close to the equator DOES actually have nothing to do with skin color! Damn, you're making sense left and right today!

"you've steered so far off the course that the argument is warped. you're snowstorming the argument with a ton of irrelevant statements that have nothing to do with the subject originally at hand. you are obviously angry and emotional and need to throw a bunch of random half-truths at me in order to feel validated in your views. our own president died to free the slaves? if you believe that, you've stepped out of your bubble and crawled under a rock"--Sergrant Hustle

> ...! (Its paragraphs like this that make me love the exclamation point!)

***STANDING OVATION FOR THE LINCOLN QUOTES***...>HAHAHAHAH!!! All you damn idiots out there--GET YO FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU TALK ON SOME BULLSHIT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT...WORD!!!***

"You are a little too defensive to be a debater. More like we touching some sensitive spots for ya Mo"--Hilltop Hound"

> ... Word!

"The only part I didn't care for was this:
"> Yes, i agree. Going to college *IS* in fact "doing nothing about it". A black person who goes to college is OBVIOUSLY someone who wants to keep everything the same way and change nothing"--Hilltop Hound

> That was me being facetious, lol. Re-read it and youll see what i mean!

Damn i love staying in the middle!

Sergeant Hustle · Aug 23, 2002

Notice how no one has spoken up about Lincoln since I posted the quotes. LMAO.....sometimes folks just don't know who they're dealing with, get to yammering off at the mouthpiece, and go and embarrass themselves. Gotta love it.

Sick Wid It · Aug 23, 2002

Sergeant Hustle said:

What exactly do you think you accomplished by quoting Abraham Lincoln (of all people)? As far as I'm concerned, fuck Abraham Lincoln and what he thought 150 year ago.

Notice how you comment about Lincoln but have nothing to say in regards to my question. Let me refresh your memory:

Sergeant Hustle said:

Sergeant Hustle · Aug 23, 2002

Sick Wid It said:

re-read the thread retard, then answer your own question.

Sick Wid It · Aug 24, 2002

I didn't ask myself any questions, I asked you...and it's obviously something thats above your head and too much for you to deal with. Let me know when you can at the very least, give the impression that you are confident in yourself and what you post.

mo-x · Aug 24, 2002

Hilltop Hound said:

I am a debater, not defensive... anybody who knows me knows I ALWAYS DEBATE THE UNPOPULAR OPINION AND PLAY DEVILS ADVOCATE... that's just my style... And as far as I'm concerned on a personal level, race to me doesn't matter, I'm commanded by God to judge people by the content of their character, and I do. I wish other races the best of luck in their struggles to be equal with whites. Everyone knows that whites in this country were the priviledged race back in the day... but I as a white person don't feel priviledged in any way. I was not hired at my job because I was white. I was not given a credit card becuase I was white, in fact I had to work my ass off to get one that was unsecured. I've been punked by the police before... and growing up, I lived on 88th & Fremont and went to Daniel Bagley grade school. If you know this area, in the 80's the area had a black population of about 60%... I used to get my ass beat by black kids ALL THE FUCKIN' TIME and it WAS because of the color of my skin. I think all races go through racism... it's just a fact of life. But the attitude of forgive, don't forget doesn't work in my opinion. Racism is a product of stereotypes. Remove the stereotypes and racism statistics would drop a shit load. What people really need to do is NOT teach their kids stereotypes.

On another note, assholes like Tadou have now branded me as being racist SIMPLY for debating a point of view... when debating a point of view, one MUST take into account the stereotypes. And I'm not trying to sugar coat a damn thing, I AM NOT PERSONALLY TELLING ANY BLACK PERSON TO GET THE FUCK OUT. I can't even think outside the box anymore without being branded by some people. I simply asked the question: If blacks hate it so much in America, why don't they move to another country... BECAUSE IF I WAS BEING HATED, I WOULD MOVE RIGHT THE FUCK OUT. You act as though I tried to say that in malice when that was NOT my intention. I'm not saying: "go back to africa, we don't want you hear anyways" like some redneck racist hick.

As for the comments about looking for a hand out... Deluzion said: if u got tha attitude like the government is out to get u and nobody wants shit to do with u on a business level, then thats whats gonna happen. what is everybody waitin for??? a handout???? damn.

Do you see what he said there? If you're not about your business, then what are you waiting for? That was the question... He brought it up and I said: Fuck a hand out. Because I'm about my business.

And blacks were not the first men... jews were.

Before I click reply, I'm just going to repeat one more time that I am not racist... i treat everyone the same... my attitude is that if you like me then we can kick it, drink some beers together and have a good time... if you don't, then fuck you. And that's really the jist of this whole ACCUSATION.

mo-x · Aug 24, 2002

Re: this one isnt as long, i promise!!

tadou said:

Naw dawg, fuck that and fuck you too for calling me racist... I was simply trying to engage in lengthy conversation with S.H. and you step in and call me racist because I'm debating one end of the spectrum. That's FUCKED UP... you don't even know me, and on top of that I didn't even talk shit to S.H. and attack her like you jumped right in and attacked me.

mo-x · Aug 24, 2002

Sergeant Hustle said:

Some of us don't have all the time in the world to be on the siccness arguing with people... but I do try and make a little bit of time, but I was busy tonight.

As for Lincoln, how could he be HALF BLACK like Mr. DOG said and NOT want to free the slaves? That seems pretty fucked up... I didn't know Lincoln said all that shit, he was clearly racist, and if he really was half black and that's not some bullshit then he was clearly confused as well. Here is a picture of the man in the first photograph he was ever in: http://www.historyplace.com/lincoln/lincpix/first.jpg

DOES HE LOOK HALF BLACK TO YOU? I can clearly see that you Mr. DOG are either LYING or have been LIED TO.

thearrival · Aug 24, 2002

racism sucks.....

and guess what? so do vacum cleaner attatchments!!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......(takes another hit) HAHAHAHAHAHAHa

me

Sergeant Hustle · Aug 24, 2002

Sick Wid It said:

hey you! outta tha gene pool!

BAMMER · Aug 24, 2002

Alan Keyes......hahahahahahaha

All this for E-Dawg....lol E-Dawg

mo-x · Aug 24, 2002

^ why does everyone keep laughing about Alan Keyes?

Kaze · Aug 24, 2002

Alan Keyes? BWHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! lol j/k

Kaze · Aug 24, 2002

thearrival said:

LOL yous a fool

ParadineRecords · Aug 24, 2002

damn this thread is on point but....

mo-x said:

i cant believe u said that shit, and im white lol

DeluzioN · Aug 24, 2002

i dont give a fuck what the war was about or what abe lincoln supposedly said in those qoutes u posted (BTW, i didnt respond cuz i havent been online for several days....i have a lil more of a life)....facvt is, if it wasnt for that war, black people still might be in slavery. and i agree, the skin color of the first humans was most likely of a darker shade. dont mean blacker is better or worse. but u people who keep preachin this black people cant be racist need to get off the pony cuz u beat it to death.... all i hear is "not enough $ to be racist, blah blah"...so only folks livin good can be racist? how bout a poor ass white person...since theyre so damn poor, that means them hating another race cant be considered racism right??? and youre damn right the Moores story is true. and the "already had black genes" is a sorry ass excuse. its still an act of dominance of one race over another. yall act like white skinned people are a disease....seriosuly. i think everybody needs to step back and look at the BIGGER picture.....where u try9in to be at in 5 years???....10???? make it happen....this goes for EVERY MOTHERFUCKER

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