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If the white people on this board were black, they would have a different opinion. It is all relative to your existence. Period. I offer the alternative view because I think white people need to hear it, accept it, digest it, and do something about it instead of all this love see no color bullshit. Say it all you want, but that's the REAL HORSESHIT. I'm not ignorant, I'm a college educated woman. I choose not to be forcefed what greater society tries to shove down my throat. I could just as easily side with everyone else who says it's not about skin color in 2002, but then I'd be lying to myself just like ya'll are lying to yourselves. Perhaps you know no better. Perhaps you are ashamed to be white because of the association it brings you. Perhaps as white people involved in hip hop, you feel alienated at times. But understand this: hip hop/rap/whatever you want to call it is BLACK ARTISTRY so trying to get on Black people who created this shit about speaking their minds on racist whites is ridiculous. Hip hop was born out of frustration, struggle, persecution, slavery, and a need for self expression. White people don't own that struggle, no matter how poor they may be.
 

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Sergeant Hustle said:
If the white people on this board were black, they would have a different opinion. It is all relative to your existence. Period. I offer the alternative view because I think white people need to hear it, accept it, digest it, and do something about it instead of all this love see no color bullshit. Say it all you want, but that's the REAL HORSESHIT. I'm not ignorant, I'm a college educated woman. I choose not to be forcefed what greater society tries to shove down my throat. I could just as easily side with everyone else who says it's not about skin color in 2002, but then I'd be lying to myself just like ya'll are lying to yourselves. Perhaps you know no better. Perhaps you are ashamed to be white because of the association it brings you. Perhaps as white people involved in hip hop, you feel alienated at times. But understand this: hip hop/rap/whatever you want to call it is BLACK ARTISTRY so trying to get on Black people who created this shit about speaking their minds on racist whites is ridiculous. Hip hop was born out of frustration, struggle, persecution, slavery, and a need for self expression. White people don't own that struggle, no matter how poor they may be.
Black people don't own that struggle either. Have you ever been enslaved by a white person? Didn't think so. Hip Hop is no longer just BLACK ARTISTRY, white people deal with frustration, struggle, persecution & at time slavery. My ancestors were irish slaves in this country. DO YOU SEE ME BITCHING? Don't even act like it's not the same. Bottom line is nobody owns the struggle you're talking about anymore. And I don't think white people on this board are even remotely ashamed, they've DONE NOTHING WRONG. So tell me, if we are all just lying to ourselves, and this all love see no color is bullshit, then tell me what's NOT bullshit?

Do you have any idea what it's like to be white? You MUST think it's all lovely to be white. You MUST think that white people aren't the target of discrimination. White people these days have been unjustly stereotyped and YOU KNOW IT. Cry me a river if some asshole called you a nigger, because I didn't and certainly have never THOUGHT IT. Not all white people are the same, especially the ones up north... I was NEVER told growing up to be racist... EVER. You tell me what I've done wrong as a white person. You can't, because the facade you put on is just that. When was the last time you stopped to help somebody... ever invite a homeless person over for thanksgiving? I DOUBT IT. You talk about change & struggle and do nothing about it. All you do is bitch about how white people are so fucked up and how it's so hard to be black these days... and what does that do for you besides make you bitter?

On the real though, I'm a debater, I think it's healthy talk, so keep in mind that I'm not attacking you, I'm just defending another point of view which is why this nation is great.
 
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I am not Black. I am not bitter. I am a truthspeaker. You are defensive. Irish slavery is NOT the same as the African slave trade. Read a book. I'll even give you a title....Alex Haley....Roots....peep it. Irish people were not brought here in ships.....stolen from their homeland....transplanted, raped, beaten, made to eat pig innards, dehumanized, whipped, and systematically broken down. Irish people were allowed to vote in this country and have a say so. They came here by choice. Blacks were not....and until 50 or so years ago, Black people were not allowed to go to the same schools as whites. They received substandard educations and got taught with books that white people didn't think were good enough anymore. Your argument holds no weight with me. White racism is alive and well my friend.....and your ignorance will keep it prospering.
 

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Sergeant Hustle said:
I am not Black. I am not bitter. I am a truthspeaker. You are defensive. Irish slavery is NOT the same as the African slave trade. Read a book. I'll even give you a title....Alex Haley....Roots....peep it. Irish people were not brought here in ships.....stolen from their homeland....transplanted, raped, beaten, made to eat pig innards, dehumanized, whipped, and systematically broken down. Irish people were allowed to vote in this country and have a say so. They came here by choice. Blacks were not....and until 50 or so years ago, Black people were not allowed to go to the same schools as whites. They received substandard educations and got taught with books that white people didn't think were good enough anymore. Your argument holds no weight with me. White racism is alive and well my friend.....and your ignorance will keep it prospering.
You didn't even answer any of my questions, don't dodge them...Tell me, if we are all just lying to ourselves, and this love see no color is bullshit, then tell me what's NOT bullshit? All you do is bitch about how white people are so fucked up and how it's so hard to be black these days... and what does that do for you?

And you are absolutely correct, black people were forced here... you act as though it's a bad thing to be black living in america, to those people who think it's so shitty, get the fuck out and live the life you want to live... go back to where ever you think your homeland is, slavery doesn't exist in this country anymore so if it's so shitty, why stay?

White racism is alive... so tell me how "my ignorance" makes it prosper when I ain't done a DAMN THING to a black person EVER. Answer my questions instead of dodging them. This isn't dodgeball, I will answer your questions, answer mine. Who knows maybe you'll teach me something I don't know and make me less ignorant so another chip off the block of White Racism can be made. And you're right, I am defensive... you paint such a misleading picture that someone has to stand up and say what's on the minds of non-racist white people.
 
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I'm not answering your questions because you are talking out of your ass. White people will never own the Black struggle. 400 years of slavery still effects Black people today. It doesn't just miraculously go away. If so, Black people wouldn't make up 50% of the prison population, mostly for non-violent crime. NO MODERN DAY SLAVERY?! Take a look at the private prisons that are run like corporations using prisoner labor to make the computer program you are using and the jeans you wear....for FREE! People are still enslaved in this country. This country was built on the backs of BLACK people and continues to be.

I am white and middle eastern. But that is of no consequence.
 
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im dutch, charokee indian, irish, french, and german....my ancestors never owned slaves. my native ancestors I BELIEVE had THIS land built over THIER BLOOD and TEARS. African slavery i agree also had a part in cultivating it, but it all started when the white folk found this land full of "ignorant/stupid" people, and decided to hustle/slaughter them out of it. spread those facts the next time u talk about racism
 

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That shit happened how long ago???? BEFORE ANY OF US WHERE BORN. So why whould any of us have to suffer for things we had nothing to do with? I havent done anything wrong to a black person. This is all bullshit. I aint racest so why should i have to put up with this shit?
 
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(Disclaimer: im apologizing in advance if any of this genuinely pisses anyone off..im just conversatin, nah mean!!! :classic:)

"so no other race except whites can be racist cuz the other races dont have enough money to be racist??? that is bullshit!!!! "--DeluzioN

> In this country, yes.

"i think society doesnt HATE them...i think society is AFRAID of them."--DeluzioN

> Hate stems from fear, if you didnt realize.

"If a white person is walking down the road and in an area that’s pre-dominantly occupied by black people, for whatever reason… maybe he got a flat, maybe he’s out for a walk, regardless. if he catches a beat down or gets shot and killed that is a clear cut case of racism. I don’t care what you say, IT IS"--Mo-X

> Which makes YOU a racist (inadvertant, or otherwise) for saying this.

"Another lie you’re spreading is that black people can’t be racist because there are no black people in power. Again, that’s HORSESHIT"--Mo-X

> when S.R. said "do not have political and financial resources in the same capacity as whites, nor do they have representation in government or in policing", it was a compound statement. Try reading more carefully before you respond. you'll save yourself alot of embarassment.

"Contrary to your conspiracy theories, the government doesn’t get together in rooms and figure out how to bring the black man down"--Mo-X

> Nice piece of pro-white propaganda, if ive ever read any...

"Education & talent are what allow a person to excel in this world… unless of course you’re a candidate for affirmative action, in which case you get the job because of the color of your skin… "--Mo-X

> GOD DAMN you're a racist!! I never realized how deeply imbedded into you it really was. The jobs are given to balance out the racial authority in a business enterprize, not because of skin color. To say its because of skin color is to be a blind, ignorant bigot who doesnt even realize when he's being a BLATANT racist.

"...when it should be best man for the job"--Mo-X

> You mean the one with categorically superior educational opportunities, and thus, a wider array of talents and prerequisites?..Wow..good idea, Hitler Jr.

"Black people are just as racist as the next man"--Mo-X

> Learn to differentiate between "have the capacity to be" and "are". Damn, how much more racist can you get?

"Inbred Bob and Meth-Head Joe catch a black guy in their white trash town and beat him up because he's black, now these two trailor trash motherfuckers have NO POWER or NO MONEY...now are they prejudice or racist, if you say racist then it contradicts what you were just saying"--Al-Kaholik

> Sorry to butt-in...but this is a case of 'Bob' and 'Joe' knowing that almost NO MATTER WHAT, this 'black guy' you speak of will, most likely, not have the ability to financially or criminally punish them via legal representation.

"i think what happened to black folks is horrible. but it gives no justification to hate modern white people becaus e of the color of thier skin"--DeluzioN

> So you aknowledge that something horrible happened to black folks, yet, its not justified for them to hate the race that did it to them? Dont combine conflicting standpoints like this...it fucks up your whole point and makes you look confused and disorganized...just an idea.

"my point EXACTLY."--Mo-X

> If i remember correctly, your point was that black people should go back to Africa if they dont like the current status of American society,

"I could just as easily side with everyone else who says it's not about skin color in 2002, but then I'd be lying to myself just like ya'll are lying to yourselves"

> Would it bother you terribly to stop reading my mind? I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!

"White people don't own that struggle, no matter how poor they may be"--Sergeant Hustle

> I agree. No matter HOW poor or disenfranchised you are, if you're white and in america, you're at +1 above ANYBODY thats in your same position yet isnt white. This +1 concept will ALWAYS exist, and will NEVER be voluntarilly phased out via a struggle led by a predominantly white majority.

"Black people don't own that struggle either"

> Being the longest enslaved race (in duration) of this country...YES THEY DO. Learn your facts, young one.

"Have you ever been enslaved by a white person? Didn't think so"--Mo-X

> Define slavery..because as far as i can see, your mind is ENSLAVED by conservatism, and you dont even realize it. Rationale-based involuntary slavery..yup, thats you.

"white people deal with frustration, struggle, persecution & at time slavery"--Mo-X

> Gimme a fuckin break.

"My ancestors were irish slaves in this country. DO YOU SEE ME BITCHING? Don't even act like it's not the same"--Mo-X

> Why act when you dont need to? it ISNT the same. Like i said, white slaves were freed LONG BEFORE "all" slaves were freed. (Read that twice if you didnt understand the first time). Again..."white slaves".."all slaves"..say it with me now. "White slaves".."All slaves"..good boy. You get a cookie.

"Bottom line is nobody owns the struggle you're talking about anymore"--Mo-X

> And seeing as though nobody "owns" it, per se, then only certain people who can truly represent it..and sorry, white folks arent exactly the epitome of struggle and opression.

"if we are all just lying to ourselves, and this all love see no color is bullshit, then tell me what's NOT bullshit?"--Mo-X

> Whats NOT bullshit? Well..to be painfully honest..VERY little of what YOU say.

"Do you have any idea what it's like to be white? You MUST think it's all lovely to be white"--Mo-X

> OH MY GOODNESS! An feeble attempt to display your prominence in the realm of socratic irony! Oh, how i hope this will be better than i predict it will be!!

"White people these days have been unjustly stereotyped and YOU KNOW IT"--Mo-X

> Here's a tip: If you replaced phrases like "white people" with "ALL people", then you might come off as less of a racist. Give it a thought...

"Cry me a river if some asshole called you a nigger, because I didn't and certainly have never THOUGHT IT"--Mo-X

> So you sleep-type often, i see.?! Lets see..you Typed it, but didnt think it, so while you were typing it, you werent thinking it..Or...well, shit, i cant figure it out. Nevermind.

"Not all white people are the same, especially the ones up north... "--Mo-X

> Great, now you're racist AND prejudice.

"I was NEVER told growing up to be racist... EVER"--Mo-X

> Then where'd you pick it up at?

"You tell me what I've done wrong as a white person. You can't, because the facade you put on is just that"--Mo-X

> Right and wrong ultimately is detemined by your own self. Thats no "facade"...thats YOUR life. (Why do i get the feeling im talking to someone with the philosophical viability of a miniature lebanese goat with 3 legs and an eye patch?)

"When was the last time you stopped to help somebody... "--Mo-X

> YOU DID IT!!! YOU said "help somebody" instead of "help a white person"..YAAAAAAAY!!!!! ***gives Mo-X a high five!***

"You talk about change & struggle and do nothing about it"--Mo-X

> Yes, i agree. Going to college *IS* in fact "doing nothing about it". A black person who goes to college is OBVIOUSLY someone who wants to keep everything the same way and change nothing.

"All you do is bitch about how white people are so fucked up and how it's so hard to be black these days... and what does that do for you besides make you bitter? "--Mo-X

> It makes her able to sustain an educaional conversation without getting bent out of shape, while at the same time, relevantly defending all her arguements and standpoints with an impenetrable facade (thanks for the word) of rationale and reasoning..which is the opposite of what YOU are doing.

"you act as though it's a bad thing to be black living in america, to those people who think it's so shitty, get the fuck out and live the life you want to live...go back to where ever you think your homeland is" --Mo-X

> So you're telling blacks to "get the fuck out" if they dont like it, instead of telling them "always reach for your goals" and "do not let negative thoughts bring you down" if they want to change things? Damn, I hadnt realized you were reincarnated already, Adolf. You should have emailed me.

"slavery doesn't exist in this country anymore so if it's so shitty, why stay? "--Mo-X

> Where is my email? My internet hours arent unlimited, ya know.

"White racism is alive... so tell me how "my ignorance" makes it prosper when I ain't done a DAMN THING to a black person EVER"--Mo-X

> You subliminally instill notions of accordance in your white bretheren, yet your comments are racist-rooted rather than being based on truths.

"you paint such a misleading picture that someone has to stand up and say what's on the minds of non-racist white people"--Mo-X

> She paints a sociologically intriguing picture, and you fell into it hook, line, and sinker. (or 'und' sinker, you being a german and all).

"my native ancestors I BELIEVE had THIS land built over THIER BLOOD and TEARS"--DelizioN

> Blacks did the same in Africa only to be ripped away from it and implanted in a society that hated them for hundreds of years and STILL resents their presence (just ask our pal Mo-X about that one.)

"it all started when the white folk found this land full of "ignorant/stupid" people, and decided to hustle/slaughter them out of it"--DelizioN

> They found a land full of fertile soil and free from opression. After a life of being opressed, they decided they would rather DIE than go back to a country that hates them.

"I aint racest so why should i have to put up with this shit?"--Kaze

> Because we love to torture innocent people like you with 5 page debates :classic:

Ok, now for my own personal opinion...LOL, just kidding.
 

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Sergeant Hustle said:
^^^^THAT!!!! was fucking hilarious. I'm glad I solicited you. I knew you'd do this argument some justice.
I havent read all the posts in this thread but why are you even concerining your self? You arent black. You are acting like its effecting your life in a major way. AND YOU ARE HALF WHITE! And honestley from the stuff i read Tadou shoulda been calling you racest. Not Mo-X.
 

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LMAO at the "GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT" comment! LOL LOL LOL! Typical white response to an issue that they don't want to own.
You're twisting what I said. I said if you think America is so shitty, realize you're here by choice... NOT force. I'm NOT saying: "i hate black people, go back to where you came from...", huge difference.
 

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I just read Tadou's HUGE post... LMMFAO @ me being racist. I'm now branded racist because I'm debating a point of view that is grossly unpopular. The reality of the situation is, I could give a fuck less... Tadou, my comments are racist rooted because I judge people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin? This arguments over, ya'll can twist as much shit around as you like with someone else... Ya'll are attacking me as a person now by calling me a racist and are no longer attacking the point of view I was debating. Did you see me personally attack S.H? Nope... Why? Because I respect her as a person and am willing to engage in a debate from two different ends of the spectrum.
 
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