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FDS

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The problem with athiests is they think everyone who believes in God looks like this







When in fact a lot of them also look like this.....




not to mention 90% of the athletes you cheer, 90% of the rappers you listen to.

Just because im not on the side of the road yelling like an idiot and holding a sign doesnt mean i dont believe is God.
 

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Fiddie we are cool and I'm too hungover to want to really debate it breh but it's a lot fucking more then the occasional religious person. Especially for the part in bold.

By they way I'm talking about all religious people when I've posted in this thread I'd just like to make it clear. No one religion in paticular.
you know what you're right. it's not even worth it lol. Shea had it right, im gonna keep my commentary on this site about what matters the most. Something both athiests and Christians alike can agree on.....












































































































AREOLAS, BREH.










(wait but who created the areola, science or God? Fuck!)
 

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I'm not going to hate on scientists or athiests. I just don't understand why athiests spend so much time trying to prove that something (God)they don't believe in, doesn't even exist. If athiests truly 100% believed that there was no such thing as a God, it would never be part of their conversation. They would never waste their time talking about it.
In this very thread you talked about evolution, I'm not gonna assume you believe in it just because you touched on the subject WHILE making it clear you don't believe in it. Most likely the type of atheists you are talking about came from religious homes or schools where they had the beliefs forced upon them, so they grew to resent it in their adulthood. They don't need to believe in something, when they come in contact with people who do believe in it on a regular basis. Those people are a part of their reality, regardless if they believed what they were saying, those people are real and are usually getting into debates about beliefs like on here right now lol.

Do you assume all the women in MAAD(mothers against drunk driving) drink & drive in their spare time, because they're so vocally against it? Why does everyone have to be a hypocrite?
 

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Arguin about this is like me and Townbizz33 arguin about the subject of Gassin on the mic(Wussup G). Like most everything in life shit is based on lots of opinion and SOME fact.....and people given their own mind and free will will believe what they believe and do what they do...

So who is right?....who is wrong?

I for one as of the past few years have really started questioning GOD. If there is a GOD then I dont mean to be disrespectful but damn.....I 've started believin more in FATE.....like cause and effect type shit.....If i do this the THiS will happen and vice versa....good or bad......I believe in that.

I believe that the Bible(and the other books) is more or less a guide on how to live your life righteously and tells about things that can happen when you dont.

I believe that there may have been a person waaaaaaaaaayyy back in the day who lived his life so righteously and set the standard so that when he died people idolized him as a GOD...

But as far as there being an actual spirit or being of GOD......I reallly cant say..

Hopefully if I can ever figure out how to use my whole brain istead of 10% I can get that answer.
 
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Here's the problem with Athiests. The athiests i've seen look down towards the people who believe that there is more to life than this shithole called earth.
Would you look down on a grown man that still believed in Santa Claus?

Why is it their business what other people believe in?
Because those beliefs are constantly shoved into their lives. How many laws are still based in Religious fundamentals.

Look at a dollar. Why does it say "In God We Trust"

Politicians need to fake religious beliefs or they will be persecuted, so atheists aren't represented in our government.

It has been made their business.

If they choose not to believe in anything higher than them that's their issue, but don't get on me because i believe/feel/know that this can't be it. You give humans too much credit. You need to accept the fact that everything just can't be explained with science and logic as much as you would like to be able to do so.
Actually it can be explained with science and logic.

The issue is not whether we can explain with science and logic, it's if our current explanations are correct or not.

Belief in God leads to the same dilemma.

Using God as explanation doesn't lend to any more logical, plausible, realistic, persuasive or sound solutions than what science offers, and in reality. probably less.

Bet when your mom gets cancer you're the first mother fucker on the ground talkin bout "oh God please don't let my mom die", the fuck outta here with that.
My dad died of cancer and I said no such thing.

There's nothing wrong with having faith in God.
There is when the symptoms of the belief have proven again and again to be both invasive and destructive.

If it makes someone a better person then who are you to tell them anything different.
If it takes belief in a God to make you a better person, than you probably weren't a very good person to begin with.

"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death. "

Yes there are the occasional idiots who declare war in God's name, or that tell people to burn in hell, or act all high and mighty because they're Christians, those are the people who obviously havent read the Bible because God doesnt like a show off.
This leads right back into whats wrong with having faith in God.

Why is God the God from the Bible.

Why doesn't God like to show off.

Who are you tell someone that if they believe God is selfish and like to show off that they are wrong anymore than Atheists who would tell you that you are wrong?

For the record, people such as myself are not saying you are wrong because that would be stupid of me. How could I know you are wrong? Shit you could claim to be Jesus and you could be right. However, I am saying that you may not be right.

So if you dont believe thats fine, but dont try to act like you're smarter or better than me because in truth you're only showing how ignorant and selftish you can really be by not accepting the fact that your mind isnt the only one in the world and everyone is not just like you. Thats goes for Athiests and Christians alike.
If you don't want people to think they are smarter than you, you shouldn't make statements like "God doesn't like to show off" when you have absolutely no evidence to back it up.

I've seen and dealt with things that let me know God is real. You can't tell me what the weather is gonna be next week but you sware you know how the universe was created? Fuck outta here.
That is funny because you seem to claim to know how the universe was created (God) while you wouldn't let others maintain the freedom to do the same.

All im sayin is this, you believe what you wanna believe and ill believe what i wanna believe, when our time comes and we meet our maker, i'll have nothin to worry about. If you dont believe the same, then you'll have nothing to worry about either.
I don't see how you can start off a statement with:

"All im sayin is this, you believe what you wanna believe and ill believe what i wanna believe"

and then follow it directly with:

"when our time comes and we meet our maker"

and not see hypocrisy and part of the issue atheists have with those that believe in religion.





BTW I am not an Atheist.
 
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In this very thread you talked about evolution, I'm not gonna assume you believe in it just because you touched on the subject WHILE making it clear you don't believe in it. Most likely the type of atheists you are talking about came from religious homes or schools where they had the beliefs forced upon them, so they grew to resent it in their adulthood. They don't need to believe in something, when they come in contact with people who do believe in it on a regular basis. Those people are a part of their reality, regardless if they believed what they were saying, those people are real and are usually getting into debates about beliefs like on here right now lol.

Do you assume all the women in MAAD(mothers against drunk driving) drink & drive in their spare time, because they're so vocally against it? Why does everyone have to be a hypocrite?
I'm glad you brought this up because there's a lot of people I've met that claim to be Athiests but then within the same conversation will say something like "f*(! God." Which one is it? How can you curse something that doesn't exist.

I've also been intrigued by the number of serial killers that had a "religious" upbringing. It's sad to me that so many Christians/parents have failed to raise their kids the way the bible says. As a father, I will be the first to admit that it's not even easy being a father, much less a Christian father. Both are difficult tasks.

I think it was 1God that said that the bible is only good for telling people in 1AD how to live their lives. The bible remains relevant while things like the theory of evolution is ever changing and still is just a theory. I'm actually not totally against evolution. I don't know how it all happened, I wasn't there. I've noticed that so many theologians or scientists learn so much that they just end up confused. Stephen Hawking for example. He had a firm stance and has since changed it. Some people argue that maybe he's just mad at God since he's rollin like Christopher Reeves now? Who knows. So many people will shape their opinions because a dude that's outrageously smart says something. Maybe he's pissed at God?

I take everything with a grain of salt. I pray every day that God helps me discern the real from the fake and to help me understand when something is significant enough to take to heart or remember. I enjoy learning theology but also don't think I need to learn more than anyone else to be a super Christian. I've seen lives impacted and saved even by sharing the gospel in it's shortest and simplest form and I watch God do the work He's going to do.
 

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I'm glad you brought this up because there's a lot of people I've met that claim to be Athiests but then within the same conversation will say something like "f*(! God." Which one is it? How can you curse something that doesn't exist.

I've also been intrigued by the number of serial killers that had a "religious" upbringing. It's sad to me that so many Christians/parents have failed to raise their kids the way the bible says. As a father, I will be the first to admit that it's not even easy being a father, much less a Christian father. Both are difficult tasks.

I think it was 1God that said that the bible is only good for telling people in 1AD how to live their lives. The bible remains relevant while things like the theory of evolution is ever changing and still is just a theory. I'm actually not totally against evolution. I don't know how it all happened, I wasn't there. I've noticed that so many theologians or scientists learn so much that they just end up confused. Stephen Hawking for example. He had a firm stance and has since changed it. Some people argue that maybe he's just mad at God since he's rollin like Christopher Reeves now? Who knows. So many people will shape their opinions because a dude that's outrageously smart says something. Maybe he's pissed at God?
A persons past shapes their present, I doubt any of us here would be the people we are if it weren't for our experiences we've racked up over our lives. The only thing I think the whole world would be a better place for knowing is, to peacefully agree to disagree. We definitely don't have to agree on everything, realistically we all agree on very few things. I just think having some respect for others would go a long way. 90's babies seem to have a lot of trouble with respecting others, they're fairly universally hated here, coincidence?
 
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So who is right?....who is wrong?

I for one as of the past few years have really started questioning GOD. If there is a GOD then I dont mean to be disrespectful but damn.....I 've started believin more in FATE.....like cause and effect type shit.....If i do this the THiS will happen and vice versa....good or bad......I believe in that.

I believe that the Bible(and the other books) is more or less a guide on how to live your life righteously and tells about things that can happen when you dont.

I believe that there may have been a person waaaaaaaaaayyy back in the day who lived his life so righteously and set the standard so that when he died people idolized him as a GOD...

But as far as there being an actual spirit or being of GOD......I reallly cant say..

I will say that there are a lot of people that don't believe that don't know anything about the bible. Who wrote it, what it says, which religions believe what etc...

For me, I knew NOTHING about religion but I literally remembered every conversation I'd had about God pretty much. I remembered every time someone shared the gospel with me. I thank God that it was shared with me in a loving manner, not thrown in my face.

A large part of the bible is history. The Jews kept very meticulous and specific records. Nearly all of the old testament deals with Jewish history and their relationship with God. There are a lot of things that are cause and effect like you said but the cause and effect a lot of times was rewards for good behavior or punishment for breaking God's laws. Same thing today. You commit murder and are convicted, you will be punished accordingly.

My life is a model for this. I've lived by faith and felt such a close relationship to God and I've been overjoyed with life. I've done things like sleeping around and being a man-whore and felt terrible. While most of the people in here would laugh at that, that lifestyle wasn't fulfilling. Much in the same way that you wouldn't want to have to pick up your kids from jail, I felt God's disappointment in me when I was enslaved to my sins and actions.

As far as the cause and effect, take the time to read Leviticus 26 in the bible on www.biblegateway.com It's pretty straight forward and easy to understand. America has followed this same model. Regardless of your beliefs, if you're objective I think you can see how America has been extremely blessed when following the rewards for righteousness section and has had it's crappiest times when it hasn't followed this model.
 
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A persons past shapes their present, I doubt any of us here would be the people we are if it weren't for our experiences we've racked up over our lives. The only thing I think the whole world would be a better place for knowing is, to peacefully agree to disagree. We definitely don't have to agree on everything, realistically we all agree on very few things. I just think having some respect for others would go a long way. 90's babies seem to have a lot of trouble with respecting others, they're fairly universally hated here, coincidence?
LOL @ 90's babies.

There will never be peace, NEVER. There will be relative peace but I don't think that's in America or the world's forseeable future.

The Jews and Muslims will always be at war and the U.S. will likely have Israel's back til the end. The Jews and Muslims have been in conflict since the earliest parts of history according to the bible and it says they will always be in conflict. Believe the bible or not, it's been true.
 
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Theory (as in the way you're thinking of) and scientific theory are different things. Also, have you ever heard of theistic evolution?
yes and I'm curious to see how much that changes in our lifetime. I'd like to go to the creationist museum or whatever it's called. Several of the workers devoted their lives to God while building it that were non-believers which I thought was pretty crazy. I've seen a bunch of stuff on evolution as a whole but nothing like that museum
 

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LOL @ 90's babies.

There will never be peace, NEVER. There will be relative peace but I don't think that's in America or the world's forseeable future.

The Jews and Muslims will always be at war and the U.S. will likely have Israel's back til the end. The Jews and Muslims have been in conflict since the earliest parts of history according to the bible and it says they will always be in conflict. Believe the bible or not, it's been true.
Yeah I know, that's why it was a hypothetical situation. lol @ bringing it back to "it's true because the bible said". It said something about the religion that immediately predates it and the one that followed it, doesn't seem too hard to predict what's in your face. IMO the Abrahamic religions were all conceived by the same people as a control tool. All their holy text justifies violence for their gods, of course there will be wars if you can get people to sleep at night by being taught to think it's ok, as long as your perspective guidelines of living say it is.
 
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My point is if Science is a tool devoid of value, it is nuetral in nature, why always compare its virtues or espouse its superiority over religion?
I'm not comparing they are two completely different things entirely so the rest of your post doesn't really mean anything to me.

I say if you are going to judge the two by that criteria then science shares the blame of religion.
Nein! That's not how I am judging the two, I look at it as factual data. Once again, Science is the study/observation of something. That's it. I judge religion (a SPECIFIC religion, not generalizing here...) by certain things in that religion. For example if we're talking about Scientology, there are specific things I'm going to criticize. If we're talking about Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc., each should be looked at individually.

If this is bullshit then we should take up reading journalism for pastimes and denounce gangsta rap since it espouses bad shit, tells people how to, or to commit crimes in the name of gangsterism, et cetera. Yall wouldn't agree with that though would you guys?
this is just a silly statement. Gangsta rap is purely entertainment, it's music, people listen for enjoyment, not for factual data. If we looked at most religions as purely entertainment and not factual, it could be comparable. Well maybe it is comparable since both are fictitious.