ioish & 2-0-Sixx > christians

[2-0-Sixx]

Here's the problem with Athiests. The athiests i've seen look down towards the people who believe that there is more to life than this shithole called earth.

Oh, and there aren't religious people that look down on everyone else that don't believe in what they believe in? Goes both ways.

Why is it their business what other people believe in?

Why is it religious peoples business? Why did the whiteman have to go EVERYWHERE ON THE PLANET and spread Christianity? Why did entire populations get wiped out?

Shit talk about hypocrisy! Every single continent has been fucked up thanks to this need to spread religion, to "save the souls" and make sure every human on the planet knows who Jesus is.

if they choose not to believe in anything higher than them that's their issue, but don't get on me because i believe/feel/know that this can't be it.

Likewise homie, it should be respect all around. Personally I can give two shits if you worship Jesus, Vishnu or a box of Crayons.

You give humans too much credit. You need to accept the fact that everything just can't be explained with science and logic as much as you would like to be able to do so.

Why should I accept that "fact?" If something hasn't been explained yet, it simply means we lack all the data to fully understand it. Just because something is currently unknown, doesn't mean there is something supernatural about it.

Bet when your mom gets cancer you're the first mother fucker on the ground talkin bout "oh God please don't let my mom die", the fuck outta here with that.

Speak for yourself.

When my dad had a heart attack, my "faith" was with the doctors.

There's nothing wrong with having faith in God. If it makes someone a better person then who are you to tell them anything different.

I'm for it too, if it makes you better, do it. I also think god is great for drug addicts and severely depressed people. Find jesus, by all means do whatever you gotta do to get better.

Yes there are the occasional idiots who declare war in God's name, or that tell people to burn in hell, or act all high and mighty because they're Christians, those are the people who obviously havent read the Bible because God doesnt like a show off.

Occasional? hehe that's understatement when you consider what's going on in the word and know your history.

So if you dont believe thats fine, but dont try to act like you're smarter or better than me because in truth you're only showing how ignorant and selftish you can really be by not accepting the fact that your mind isnt the only one in the world and everyone is not just like you. Thats goes for Athiests and Christians alike.

Agreed.

But poking fun on the Open Forum shouldn't be taken so seriously either.

I've seen and dealt with things that let me know God is real. You can't tell me what the weather is gonna be next week but you sware you know how the universe was created? Fuck outta here.

Oh yes because predicting the weather is exactly the same as knowing how the universe was created!

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I'm glad you brought this up because there's a lot of people I've met that claim to be Athiests but then within the same conversation will say something like "f*(! God." Which one is it? How can you curse something that doesn't exist.

If an "atheist" says fuck god, and they mean it literally, then they aren't atheists.

If an atheist says fuck god, they could mean it sarcastically or mean it as the same as saying "fuck religion."

Or it could simply be a phrase they say. I say "god damn it" on a regular basis but I don't mean it literally, it's just a common phrase that means the same as saying "shit", "fuck" or whatever.

I've also been intrigued by the number of serial killers that had a "religious" upbringing. It's sad to me that so many Christians/parents have failed to raise their kids the way the bible says. As a father, I will be the first to admit that it's not even easy being a father, much less a Christian father. Both are difficult tasks.

Lots of serial killers have a very STRICT religious upbringing. In my opinion having those kids of thoughts weigh heavily on your conscience as a child. For example, in the bible it teaches you that even thinking about lusting for another woman is a sin. This goes against our evolutionary nature, so it forces you to feel guilty, when in reality this is our nature, this is normal. For most people this is fine, but a few other scenarios that are into place (like mental/physical abuse, brain trauma, etc.) and that can be all the ingredients for a psychopath.

I think it was 1God that said that the bible is only good for telling people in 1AD how to live their lives. The bible remains relevant while things like the theory of evolution is ever changing and still is just a theory.

Scientific theory. Huge difference.

 

[Dhadnot]

Precisely why I made the comparison, one espouses something no matter how ridiculous, the ither is supposed to be pure fact. Religion is entertainment, it's a pasttime in most people's lives restricted to Sundays, Holidays, and Grandma's house. Gangsta rap is entertainment to but applies to and shapes a lot of people's lives especially in the inner city where the artist the "streets voice". But I guess you aren't the average atheist, you have better criteria by which you judge religions. I still maintain that Science should not be compared to religion regardless if they both explain/try to explain phenomena.

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

I'm not comparing they are two completely different things entirely so the rest of your post doesn't really mean anything to me.



Nein! That's not how I am judging the two, I look at it as factual data. Once again, Science is the study/observation of something. That's it. I judge religion (a SPECIFIC religion, not generalizing here...) by certain things in that religion. For example if we're talking about Scientology, there are specific things I'm going to criticize. If we're talking about Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc., each should be looked at individually.



this is just a silly statement. Gangsta rap is purely entertainment, it's music, people listen for enjoyment, not for factual data. If we looked at most religions as purely entertainment and not factual, it could be comparable. Well maybe it is comparable since both are fictitious.

saying religions are fictitious is such and empty statement. I don't promote "religion" but that's still a silly statement dogg. There are plenty of factual events in the history of the Jewish people that affect their faith. Same goes for Christianity. It talks about people in specific dates and times in history that are verifiable.

It's also pretty hard to refute the geneology of the Jewish people that also matches up with the prophesies in the old testament that came true years if not tens or hundreds of years later. People put all kinds of stock in Nostradamus but the bible has been historically accurate as far as prophesies too. Archeology has dated biblical writings to predate the prophesies that came true. That is irrefutable. So to say "religions are fictitous" is an empty and silly statement

 

[2-0-Sixx]

saying religions are fictitious is such and empty statement. I don't promote "religion" but that's still a silly statement dogg. There are plenty of factual events in the history of the Jewish people that affect their faith. Same goes for Christianity. It talks about people in specific dates and times in history that are verifiable.

it's also pretty hard to refute the geneology of the Jewish people that also matches up with the prophesies in the old testament that came true years if not tens or hundreds of years later. People put all kinds of stock in Nostradamus but the bible has been historically accurate as far as prophesies too. Archeology has dated biblical writings to predate the prophesies that came true. That is irrefutable. So to say "religions are fictitous" is an empty and silly statement

It was a sarcastic statement and a jab intended to create a lol. Not surprisingly it went over your head. Here's a thumbs up for the effort though

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

If an "atheist" says fuck god, and they mean it literally, then they aren't atheists.

If an atheist says fuck god, they could mean it sarcastically or mean it as the same as saying "fuck religion."

Or it could simply be a phrase they say. I say "god damn it" on a regular basis but I don't mean it literally, it's just a common phrase that means the same as saying "shit", "fuck" or whatever.



Lots of serial killers have a very STRICT religious upbringing. In my opinion having those kids of thoughts weigh heavily on your conscience as a child. For example, in the bible it teaches you that even thinking about lusting for another woman is a sin. This goes against our evolutionary nature, so it forces you to feel guilty, when in reality this is our nature, this is normal. For most people this is fine, but a few other scenarios that are into place (like mental/physical abuse, brain trauma, etc.) and that can be all the ingredients for a psychopath.



Scientific theory. Huge difference.

That's the point I was making about serial killers. Their upbringing isn't actually consistent with the bible. The gospel of Jesus was a message of love yet it was also offensive. That's really the matter of it all. It's not easy for a lot of people to share their faith because they're so emotionally attached to it that they become offensive to someone they're trying to share it with. By sharing the gospel, you're essentially also telling that person that their way of life is likely wrong. People generally take that one of two ways. 1) You're right. 2) Screw you.

Like we kinda brought up earlier, when people do something "bad" there is some guilt involved. Some of that is because what may be socially acceptable, some of that is upbringing or religious belief, some of that is conscious. The bible also says that God's laws have been written on our hearts, so there is no excuse. People know when they're doing something wrong. They don't need the ten commandments to tell them that rape or murder is wrong. You could live in the mountains of afghanistan and be deaf and know that.

Some laws are more subtle that you may have no guilt over like going 3mph over the speed limit and getting an a-hole cop that gives you a ticket anyways. That may make some people hate the law as a whole. It's all situational. I honestly believe that looking at a woman lustfully is sinful because it leads to other things. Like marijuana being a gateway drug, lustful eyes can be the same. It's the spark that starts a forrest fire in some men's lives. Sexual addiction is a joke to some people but from the people that suffer from it, they agree that it's very real and a real problem. Especially if you're married. This is admittedly a long conversation and a huge can of worms to open so I apologize.

Scientific theory is still theory. Some parts may be "proven" and there may be parts that make sense to a lot of people but it's not a law like the law of gravity. There are still many questions to be answered about evolution as a whole. There are no questions to be asked by just about anyone about gravity. That's the point I was trying to make

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

It was a sarcastic statement and a jab intended to create a lol. Not surprisingly it went over your head. Here's a thumbs up for the effort though

I never said I was a rocket scientist, my bad. The sad thing is, I have to use instant messages at work and sarcasm is lost on me half the time in text form /

 

[Dhadnot]

Atheists can be so cruel. I love GOM debates in the open forum, it's like playing hide and go seek in poison ivy, or battin a bees nest, it's like fuckin a bitch wit VD you know your not supposed to do it but that makes it so much better.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

That's the point I was making about serial killers. Their upbringing isn't actually consistent with the bible. The gospel of Jesus was a message of love yet it was also offensive. That's really the matter of it all. It's not easy for a lot of people to share their faith because they're so emotionally attached to it that they become offensive to someone they're trying to share it with. By sharing the gospel, you're essentially also telling that person that their way of life is likely wrong. People generally take that one of two ways. 1) You're right. 2) Screw you.

Like we kinda brought up earlier, when people do something "bad" there is some guilt involved. Some of that is because what may be socially acceptable, some of that is upbringing or religious belief, some of that is conscious. The bible also says that God's laws have been written on our hearts, so there is no excuse. People know when they're doing something wrong. They don't need the ten commandments to tell them that rape or murder is wrong. You could live in the mountains of afghanistan and be deaf and know that.

Some laws are more subtle that you may have no guilt over like going 3mph over the speed limit and getting an a-hole cop that gives you a ticket anyways. That may make some people hate the law as a whole. It's all situational. I honestly believe that looking at a woman lustfully is sinful because it leads to other things. Like marijuana being a gateway drug, lustful eyes can be the same. It's the spark that starts a forrest fire in some men's lives. Sexual addiction is a joke to some people but from the people that suffer from it, they agree that it's very real and a real problem. Especially if you're married. This is admittedly a long conversation and a huge can of worms to open so I apologize.

I'm just going to leave all this stuff alone because of a) lack of any desire and b). time, so I'll just carry on to:

Scientific theory is still theory.

No. There is a huge difference between a theory and a scientific theory. Let me learn you:

A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. The Scientific Method must be used.

The scientific method has four steps

1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena.

2. Formulation of an hypothesis to explain the phenomena. In physics, the hypothesis often takes the form of a causal mechanism or a mathematical relation.

3. Use of the hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations.

4. Performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several independent experimenters and properly performed experiments.

Read more about that here

A theory is just a theory. It could be me saying, "my computer is made of fairy dust."

Some parts may be "proven" and there may be parts that make sense to a lot of people but it's not a law like the law of gravity. There are still many questions to be answered about evolution as a whole. There are no questions to be asked by just about anyone about gravity. That's the point I was trying to make

Gravity is a great example to bring up, thanks. We cannot actually see gravitational force itself, but we know it exists through countless observations and tests.

Evolution is a change in the gene pool of a population over time. By this definitiion it is an indisputable fact. We have observed this. An origin of new species by evolution has also been observed both in the laboratory and in the wild. There are certain or very specific things or ideas in evolution that have yet to be proven, but that doesn't mean evolution isn't real. For example (just making this up off the top of my head) if one scientists says a ladybug evolved from a snapping beetle and there isn't enough evidence to prove it, etc

 

[niguardian]

i didnt think this shit would turn into an essay type-a-thon goddamn! no pun intended

edit: now i see what shea was sayin at the beginning

 

[FDS]

 

[2-0-Sixx]

i didnt think this shit would turn into an essay type-a-thon goddamn! no pun intended

fucking ese

 

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fucking ese

ROFL ATTACK OF THE CLONES!
















put that pic in the star wars 2 poster lol.

 

[niguardian]

fucking ese

odale guey, fuckin esses typin n shit holmes

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

I'm just going to leave all this stuff alone because of a) lack of any desire and b). time, so I'll just carry on to:



No. There is a huge difference between a theory and a scientific theory. Let me learn you:

A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. The Scientific Method must be used.

The scientific method has four steps

1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena.

2. Formulation of an hypothesis to explain the phenomena. In physics, the hypothesis often takes the form of a causal mechanism or a mathematical relation.

3. Use of the hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations.

4. Performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several independent experimenters and properly performed experiments.

Read more about that here

A theory is just a theory. It could be me saying, "my computer is made of fairy dust."



Gravity is a great example to bring up, thanks. We cannot actually see gravitational force itself, but we know it exists through countless observations and tests.

Evolution is a change in the gene pool of a population over time. By this definitiion it is an indisputable fact. We have observed this. An origin of new species by evolution has also been observed both in the laboratory and in the wild. There are certain or very specific things or ideas in evolution that have yet to be proven, but that doesn't mean evolution isn't real. For example (just making this up off the top of my head) if one scientists says a ladybug evolved from a snapping beetle and there isn't enough evidence to prove it, etc

Thanks for the lesson on Scientific Theory. That might be more typing than I'm willing to get into right now to be honest and I don't think anything would be acheived by it so I'll stop at "thanks"

Speaking of gravity, have you ever heard of a green flash at sunset on the ocean? I didn't go through and read this whole website but it talks about it here: http://mintaka.sdsu.edu/GF/

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

and 2 0 sixx, you still never answered the subject of demon possession. How would/do you explain that?

 

[KCHustla]

and 2 0 sixx, you still never answered the subject of demon possession. How would/do you explain that?

It's not real and whoever says they are possessed by demons is trying to get attention?

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

It's not real and whoever says they are possessed by demons are trying to get attention?

I was curious to hear people's opinion's on this but I'm not even sure how to answer that one

 

[KCHustla]

I'm a realist and believe in factual science. You can't deny evolution. How is there dinosaur bones if the earth is only 6000 years old? There's to many questions to be answered about the subject. I'm at a loss of what to believe. Was born and raised a christian, but cannot dispute science. I still have faith, but it always seems like a crutch that I sit on whenever I am in need.

Religion it seems like was put here to keep the masses in check and behave. I don't know what to believe but I'm getting older and my views on certain topics are starting to develop. Still not done growing, don't think I ever will. But one thing I know is that religion has NO room in politics... look at Christine O'Donnell... the Tea parties main bitch right now. She believes that a girl that is raped has a responsibility to have a child and raise it even though that kid was brought out of pure evil... how many actually believe that should happen?

I could go on for days and days its a touchy subject but a good one to bring up.

 

[KCHustla]

I was curious to hear people's opinion's on this but I'm not even sure how to answer that one

I can't give a real answer for that one. Maybe they are mentally disturbed and really believe they are posessed. Who really knows? People see dreams of the apocolypse. People think they see the devil. I guess we will really never know till we are dead.