If you really hate President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
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i will most likely get slaughtered for my views but obama is just another yes man like bush. Infact mark my words in a years time you will go to war with another nation and again with some bullshit reason and this time everyone will be backing obama and the government because at the moment obama is the medias darling , whatever he says or does he will not get criticized . Obama is a Zionist puppet
its not the million dollar question because i can easily come up with money and get my shit together, unfortunately not everybody has the same luck
some of people end up in prison before they learn their lesson, if you don't think it's hard to make it out the hood, and instead think minorities should "just stop whining" then you must have easily forgotten the struggle
but it is just the way it is, they'll give us a motivational speech, yet our people will still have no food in their plate, no education, and no way to see our family after they are spending the nights in prison
some of people end up in prison before they learn their lesson, if you don't think it's hard to make it out the hood, and instead think minorities should "just stop whining" then you must have easily forgotten the struggle
but it is just the way it is, they'll give us a motivational speech, yet our people will still have no food in their plate, no education, and no way to see our family after they are spending the nights in prison
Who's fault is it that they end up in prison? It's their own fault. Who cares about the struggle in the hood? I'm from one of the poorest towns in America, so I know about struggle. But no one has chains on them, except for the mental chains that they have on themselves. In other words, no one is forcing them to NOT do anything for themselves.
People need to quit with the excuses and get it together. If one man can make it and be successful, then the next man can too. There are no excuses for being a failure in life, no matter what the situation is.
People need to quit with the excuses and get it together. If one man can make it and be successful, then the next man can too. There are no excuses for being a failure in life, no matter what the situation is.
Actually, in many cases it isn't their fault. You can never overlook institutional deviance, ascribed social status (especially being born into poverty), lack of education or the many theories relating to crime and deviance. Moreover, you can't forget the fact that the majority of cases in america are pled out, and this leads to a lot of madness in the criminal justice system.
If no one here can verify this it is useless information. Wait...scratch that. It doesn't matter if anyone can or not, it's still useless info.
There are many "chains" that can force a person, or a group of people, not to do for themselves. If there is no money for education, or the person/group has no knowledge of resources that may be utilized to improve their situation, or if people in charge of such resources are neglecting to distribute them, then what? How do you expect them to do for self?
No, there are no excuses being presented, but how do you suggest a person or group of people "get it together?"
This is a falsehood. Study caste systems, social mobility and ascribed status and you'll see you're absolutely 100% incorrect.
If no one here can verify this it is useless information. Wait...scratch that. It doesn't matter if anyone can or not, it's still useless info.
There are many "chains" that can force a person, or a group of people, not to do for themselves. If there is no money for education, or the person/group has no knowledge of resources that may be utilized to improve their situation, or if people in charge of such resources are neglecting to distribute them, then what? How do you expect them to do for self?
No, there are no excuses being presented, but how do you suggest a person or group of people "get it together?"
This is a falsehood. Study caste systems, social mobility and ascribed status and you'll see you're absolutely 100% incorrect.
Yeah, I'm back...
And I'm going to quote your blog that you wrote on myspace, kill any and every opinion you presented as to why a person feels that everyone can succeed in america and post it here.
So someone gave you a bit of information, that you then repeat here as fact or a "killer" of excuses, yet you never confirm your findings of said information with the person who gave it to you? If what he said was crystal clear, why didn't you understand it when he first told you? How do we know you possess adequate cognitive skills required to use logical reasoning to come to your answer? We don't, therefore everything you've typed is opinion, not to mention you provide absolutely no empirical data to validate any of your claims.
First, let us define what an excuse is because you keep throwing it around even though I've already said it has nothing to do with excuses. Dictionary.reference defines an excuse as:
1. an explanation offered as a reason for being excused; a plea offered in extenuation of a fault or for release from an obligation, promise, etc.
2. a ground or reason for excusing or being excused.
3. the act of excusing someone or something.
4. a pretext or subterfuge.
5. an inferior or inadequate specimen of something specified.
(For the sake of clarity, numbers provided by the site were changed)
Again, as I have stated in this thread, there are no "excuses" being presented. However, what is being presented is an argument that runs contrary to your belief that people can do for themselves no matter what. You are under the very illogical and highly dubious belief, that people, no matter what, can overcome obstacles, rise to the top and be all they can be. Basically, you believe in the fable known as "the American Dream", or believe in a similar mantra. Surely this belief exhibits blatent and total disregard for reality and evidence that suggest and prove the contrary. Such realities and evidence I'm referring to are capitalism, post-industrialized nations, global economics, child slave labor and McDonaldization. In fact, the caste system I mentioned in the previous post suggests otherwise, yet your blog does nothing to address it or previously mentioned issues. Since we know this to be true, we can now say your blog is not reliable source of information, nor does it provide a critical critique of the problems in our world.
With that being said, how can you tout your blog as a killer of excuses, when nothing you've actually stated in the blog, or in this thread, begins to even address the issue of why the problems exist in the first place?
Yet you don't provide ONE example that shows how a person can be financially successful. Why is that?
Surely, some people do like to do what was mentioned, but the facts are many people who want to do better can't and this is what the person you talked to, and yourself, fail to grasp. You are not given excuses or blame, what you are given are factual issues and circumstances that have plagued the world by impeding economic growth at a macro and micro level. If you respond to this post, I'd like for you to take your time to actually address them instead of posting something that fails to address the root of the problem.
This is a fallacy. What you fail to grasp is that in order to find a way around any obstacle, you must first identify the obstacle as an obstacle, then you must have the infrastructure or resources to be able to overcome it. If you lack these elements, there is no way you are going to overcome it. We are dealing with the real world here--the tangible--not wishful thinking, blind faith or so-called focus.
That may happen. However, that statement alone does not account for the people who do not adhere to negative self-labeling yet fail. Moreover, it does not take into account real life variables that are found in the environment which may or may not have caused the person to believe negatively in the first place.
I've already addressed this.
You can take full responsibility for everything in the world, but what exactly does taking full responsibility mean? According to you, most of the time problems in our lives can be found just by looking in a mirror, but what about the many instances where the problems were present before we were born? What about problems that are totally out of our control such as racial discrimination? And while I do agree that everyone can benefit from a positive outlook, I know for a fact the world is not peaches & cream, sunshine, chirping birds, blooming flowers and laughter in the air. With that being said, the world is NOT what you make it because it has already been made, and the majority of the roles have already been given.
If you study the correlation between poverty and crime/deviance, and look at examples of where the crimes occured, you would see it isn't complete nonsense. Am I saying or implying everyone in "The Hood" is doomed to failure? No, but who has a better chance in this country? A young black male who reads at a third grade level, lacks social skills, has been in the criminal justice system, and barely has enough money to eat a balanced meal, or a young black male who is college educated, has sufficient social proof, has no criminal record, and has never known poverty?
Because many already have infrastructures in place to help them. Why do you not understand this?
Do you have any published evidence pertaining to the success of those who have migrated to this country? Second of all, have you considered the CULTURAL differences between people who migrate here, what their values are, what they believe about economics, etc? If so, how does it factor into their success? If not, why haven't you?
Refer to the previous questions.
Due to economic hardships, access to public libraries are becoming more scarce. However, if the person wanting to succeed can't read beyond a fourth grade level what good is a library? A person can read any type of book, relating to any subject, but if he or she is not able to apply what they've read to their life, or lack the knowledge of how to do such a thing, what good is a library or a book?
See above. You are looking at things from a very warped and opinionated perspective that does nothing but perpetuate a cycle of illogical reasoning.
So how do you change their way of thinking? How do you show them their mentality hinders success?
Tell that to the millions of women and children who suffer as a result from white slavery (and if you don't know white slavery is a term for sexual slavery.) Tell it to children who work in labor camps and sweat shops. Tell it to the cats in the hood who have ascribed status, and stats, suggesting by the age of 18 they will be in the criminal justice system (and experience increased recidivism rate if they don't leave their environment.)
You're offering solutions but no way how to do the solutions. Why is that?
This still doesn't address the issue.
Indeed, this statement overlooks everything in my previous post and does not begin to address the problems of americans (black, white, hispanic, asian, etc.)
In closing, everything you've presented is an excuse.
And I'm going to quote your blog that you wrote on myspace, kill any and every opinion you presented as to why a person feels that everyone can succeed in america and post it here.
So someone gave you a bit of information, that you then repeat here as fact or a "killer" of excuses, yet you never confirm your findings of said information with the person who gave it to you? If what he said was crystal clear, why didn't you understand it when he first told you? How do we know you possess adequate cognitive skills required to use logical reasoning to come to your answer? We don't, therefore everything you've typed is opinion, not to mention you provide absolutely no empirical data to validate any of your claims.
First, let us define what an excuse is because you keep throwing it around even though I've already said it has nothing to do with excuses. Dictionary.reference defines an excuse as:
1. an explanation offered as a reason for being excused; a plea offered in extenuation of a fault or for release from an obligation, promise, etc.
2. a ground or reason for excusing or being excused.
3. the act of excusing someone or something.
4. a pretext or subterfuge.
5. an inferior or inadequate specimen of something specified.
(For the sake of clarity, numbers provided by the site were changed)
Again, as I have stated in this thread, there are no "excuses" being presented. However, what is being presented is an argument that runs contrary to your belief that people can do for themselves no matter what. You are under the very illogical and highly dubious belief, that people, no matter what, can overcome obstacles, rise to the top and be all they can be. Basically, you believe in the fable known as "the American Dream", or believe in a similar mantra. Surely this belief exhibits blatent and total disregard for reality and evidence that suggest and prove the contrary. Such realities and evidence I'm referring to are capitalism, post-industrialized nations, global economics, child slave labor and McDonaldization. In fact, the caste system I mentioned in the previous post suggests otherwise, yet your blog does nothing to address it or previously mentioned issues. Since we know this to be true, we can now say your blog is not reliable source of information, nor does it provide a critical critique of the problems in our world.
With that being said, how can you tout your blog as a killer of excuses, when nothing you've actually stated in the blog, or in this thread, begins to even address the issue of why the problems exist in the first place?
Yet you don't provide ONE example that shows how a person can be financially successful. Why is that?
Surely, some people do like to do what was mentioned, but the facts are many people who want to do better can't and this is what the person you talked to, and yourself, fail to grasp. You are not given excuses or blame, what you are given are factual issues and circumstances that have plagued the world by impeding economic growth at a macro and micro level. If you respond to this post, I'd like for you to take your time to actually address them instead of posting something that fails to address the root of the problem.
This is a fallacy. What you fail to grasp is that in order to find a way around any obstacle, you must first identify the obstacle as an obstacle, then you must have the infrastructure or resources to be able to overcome it. If you lack these elements, there is no way you are going to overcome it. We are dealing with the real world here--the tangible--not wishful thinking, blind faith or so-called focus.
That may happen. However, that statement alone does not account for the people who do not adhere to negative self-labeling yet fail. Moreover, it does not take into account real life variables that are found in the environment which may or may not have caused the person to believe negatively in the first place.
I've already addressed this.
You can take full responsibility for everything in the world, but what exactly does taking full responsibility mean? According to you, most of the time problems in our lives can be found just by looking in a mirror, but what about the many instances where the problems were present before we were born? What about problems that are totally out of our control such as racial discrimination? And while I do agree that everyone can benefit from a positive outlook, I know for a fact the world is not peaches & cream, sunshine, chirping birds, blooming flowers and laughter in the air. With that being said, the world is NOT what you make it because it has already been made, and the majority of the roles have already been given.
If you study the correlation between poverty and crime/deviance, and look at examples of where the crimes occured, you would see it isn't complete nonsense. Am I saying or implying everyone in "The Hood" is doomed to failure? No, but who has a better chance in this country? A young black male who reads at a third grade level, lacks social skills, has been in the criminal justice system, and barely has enough money to eat a balanced meal, or a young black male who is college educated, has sufficient social proof, has no criminal record, and has never known poverty?
Because many already have infrastructures in place to help them. Why do you not understand this?
Do you have any published evidence pertaining to the success of those who have migrated to this country? Second of all, have you considered the CULTURAL differences between people who migrate here, what their values are, what they believe about economics, etc? If so, how does it factor into their success? If not, why haven't you?
Refer to the previous questions.
Due to economic hardships, access to public libraries are becoming more scarce. However, if the person wanting to succeed can't read beyond a fourth grade level what good is a library? A person can read any type of book, relating to any subject, but if he or she is not able to apply what they've read to their life, or lack the knowledge of how to do such a thing, what good is a library or a book?
See above. You are looking at things from a very warped and opinionated perspective that does nothing but perpetuate a cycle of illogical reasoning.
So how do you change their way of thinking? How do you show them their mentality hinders success?
Tell that to the millions of women and children who suffer as a result from white slavery (and if you don't know white slavery is a term for sexual slavery.) Tell it to children who work in labor camps and sweat shops. Tell it to the cats in the hood who have ascribed status, and stats, suggesting by the age of 18 they will be in the criminal justice system (and experience increased recidivism rate if they don't leave their environment.)
You're offering solutions but no way how to do the solutions. Why is that?
This still doesn't address the issue.
Indeed, this statement overlooks everything in my previous post and does not begin to address the problems of americans (black, white, hispanic, asian, etc.)
In closing, everything you've presented is an excuse.
"Follow the leader"
I'm hitting your argument from two perspectives. The first was by addressing your written work piece by piece. The second, providing you with a short piece that is contrary to your piece that begins to explore some of the problems inside the black community. This is a piece I wrote years ago for a sociology class. I'll take it down tonight. All formatting has been removed (I had a qote longer than 4 lines) as well as page numbers and some text relating to black fathers and leadership, the welfare system, etc.
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I took it down, so if you got to read it cool.
I'm hitting your argument from two perspectives. The first was by addressing your written work piece by piece. The second, providing you with a short piece that is contrary to your piece that begins to explore some of the problems inside the black community. This is a piece I wrote years ago for a sociology class. I'll take it down tonight. All formatting has been removed (I had a qote longer than 4 lines) as well as page numbers and some text relating to black fathers and leadership, the welfare system, etc.
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I took it down, so if you got to read it cool.
i can say Heresy is wrong on this. My mom came to america when she was 25. illegal,no money, no friends, no relatives. Just herself. she was already taking care of three kids at the time too. no governtment support, no welfare, wicc etc. just a minimum wage jobs. and i dont know how she did it, but sixteen years later we have a house three relatively new cars, going to college and still moving forward, she now helps our family back in mexico. my mom started with nothing and despite criticism and negativity in her live she triumphed.
Actually, I'm not wrong, you just failed to read what was posted. First off, you are taking two statements I made and lumping them together when they obviously have nothing to do with each other. Second, and most importantly, you are forgetting a key word in what you quoted--many. Let's look at the quote again.
Again, many of these people have infrastructures already in place, and it was never implied that all do, but since there is no way to verify your claim, what should we do with it? I'll tell you what we'll do, we'll actually give you the benefit of the doubt and say it's true. Now then, do you know the term for those who were in similar situations like your mother and "made it" and do you know the ratio of that group and how it compares to those who don't make it? I'll be waiting for an answer or I'll be waiting for you to exit ---------------->
Again, many of these people have infrastructures already in place, and it was never implied that all do, but since there is no way to verify your claim, what should we do with it? I'll tell you what we'll do, we'll actually give you the benefit of the doubt and say it's true. Now then, do you know the term for those who were in similar situations like your mother and "made it" and do you know the ratio of that group and how it compares to those who don't make it? I'll be waiting for an answer or I'll be waiting for you to exit ---------------->