how bout i tell you all the truth! sorry..... failure is immenant
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Its your opinion and I repsect that.
However, everything you say is NOT right. Talent wise, Snoop is BELOW average. As I said , I can name 10 Bay Area artists BETTER than snoop....and whan i say BETTER, i mean straight TALENT.
Thats not to say that Snoop wont out sell any Bay Area artist out right now, cus he will...and for obvious reasons. He is on MTV, where as 95% of the Bay isnt.
Just so everyone knows, TBIB aint true becuase TBWNT (The Bay Was Never There) to begin with. LA had Cali on LOCK in the 90's...selling records wise. If it werent for people like Short and the Luniz, no one outside of the West Coast would even KNOW the Bay Area.
The ultimate point htat i CONTINUE to make on here, is that people confuse talent to MC and talent to sell records. Snoop is an awful rapper, yet he will go gold everytime he makes a record. Yukmouth is a great MC...however, his next record will struggle to sell half that.
Business is business, period. Hit record=beat that is catchy/can dance to and has a nice hook that people can sing/rap along with. Lyrics have almost NOTHING to do with anything as far as mainstream selling rap goes, Snoop included.
However, everything you say is NOT right. Talent wise, Snoop is BELOW average. As I said , I can name 10 Bay Area artists BETTER than snoop....and whan i say BETTER, i mean straight TALENT.
Thats not to say that Snoop wont out sell any Bay Area artist out right now, cus he will...and for obvious reasons. He is on MTV, where as 95% of the Bay isnt.
Just so everyone knows, TBIB aint true becuase TBWNT (The Bay Was Never There) to begin with. LA had Cali on LOCK in the 90's...selling records wise. If it werent for people like Short and the Luniz, no one outside of the West Coast would even KNOW the Bay Area.
The ultimate point htat i CONTINUE to make on here, is that people confuse talent to MC and talent to sell records. Snoop is an awful rapper, yet he will go gold everytime he makes a record. Yukmouth is a great MC...however, his next record will struggle to sell half that.
Business is business, period. Hit record=beat that is catchy/can dance to and has a nice hook that people can sing/rap along with. Lyrics have almost NOTHING to do with anything as far as mainstream selling rap goes, Snoop included.
Northern California is growing in a rapid pace no doubt, but 20 - 30 million in our region is evidentually wrong. Theres about 6 - 8 million give or take and thats being too generous with those statistics. 20 - 30 Million is the population in California and most of that is in the Southern region. Im not familiar with Soundscans such as yourself because you are one of those established artists that should always be mentioned when someone says e40, too short, luniz, 2pac etc as far as sales. You know your demographics on who is buying who in every city. You make great music that can cater to everyone from Latinos, African Americans, Caucasions to Asians. How many fans are buying product based on race. If Daddy Yankee comes out with a cd and San quinn comes out with a cd and lets add females into the equation whose more likely to sell more in a region( city to city) when they do promotions who is likely to go see San Quinn or Daddy Yankee and get those sales into the record stores or concerts? Who is doing the most work (hustle) trying to hit off every region? Going back to our region you gotta factor the age category from children to adults in their 20, 30s, 40s, yes older aunts, uncles, dads, moms grandparents buy music that their kids request. Someone under the age of 18 is more likely to burn a copy of their favorite cd whether it be a boy or girl than to buy. And if a female is burning she is more likely to burn maybe 2 - 3 songs at the most cause those are the songs they feel the most which is probably more likely than not a song that would be likely to play on the radio or club.
Note im only adding San Quinn and Daddy Yankee cause they just popped off my head If you get mad well then add e40 who did successfully into it.
These are just some random input of a old leconic drunk....
Note im only adding San Quinn and Daddy Yankee cause they just popped off my head If you get mad well then add e40 who did successfully into it.
These are just some random input of a old leconic drunk....
Sorry, that's not how this business works. Good beats and decent rhymes isn't enough to get you anywhere, much less far. Success is only partially based on your music, the majority of it revolves around your ability to communicate and deal with people. People need to stop thinking it's all about beats and rhymes. WRONG.
It was like this before us and it will be like this after us. It's the system we were born into.
Just like you say you're tired of mufuckas usin the business excuse, to some people the "cats will do anything for money" (in dispute of what they consider questionable business practices) copout is just as tired.
Just like you say you're tired of mufuckas usin the business excuse, to some people the "cats will do anything for money" (in dispute of what they consider questionable business practices) copout is just as tired.
I think we are saying as far as the rapper's "skills" are concerned. Anyone with half a brain knows that to actually get ON Mtv, BET and every radio station in every major city, you have to know the right people. As far as mucis goes, though, its all about just being generic and in the fad at that moment in time.
I don't think you can blame the "clones" for trying to get their money through the music business. Not saying that's what you're doing, just saying that ultimately, these "clones" are up to speed with how things work today and are trying to capitalize. All in an effort to live (what they think) is a better life.
Everybody has a right to pursue what they think is going to make them happy.
I work in the videogame industry and the same kind of thing happens. You get one type of game that becomes a hit, then you get all of the clones that follow trying to capitalize on the success of the original idea. You get some good games out of it, and some stinkers too. But what can you do? Mufuckas gotta eat...
Everybody has a right to pursue what they think is going to make them happy.
I work in the videogame industry and the same kind of thing happens. You get one type of game that becomes a hit, then you get all of the clones that follow trying to capitalize on the success of the original idea. You get some good games out of it, and some stinkers too. But what can you do? Mufuckas gotta eat...
First of all not all music, as a product of the music industry, is bullshit and trash. Your comments are straight up ignorant. Explaining to you that the music business is a real business instead of some pretend thing you think it is, is not an excuse to anything. It's just a simple truth that some people can't handle. I was born into music and have been a musician my entire life. Do I ever whine & cry about the "music business"? Fuck no, because I understand why and what it is. The only problem is with people, like you apparently, trying to pretend the business is something it's not and never has been.
WRONG. Making money has always been the intent of the music business. If you don't know that then you don't know it's history.
You're entitled to your preferences and opinions of what good music is/isn't, but you're a fool for trying to make the business out to be something it's not. I grew up watching real bass players, real horn sections, real singing/no lip-syncing, real drums, etc... No pitch-correcting studio gear, no punch-in's, everyone played it right or played it over... I completely understand how you feel when you say music isn't what it used to be... But that's just the music itself, the business has always been the same whether you can face that fact or not.
WRONG. Making money has always been the intent of the music business. If you don't know that then you don't know it's history.
You're entitled to your preferences and opinions of what good music is/isn't, but you're a fool for trying to make the business out to be something it's not. I grew up watching real bass players, real horn sections, real singing/no lip-syncing, real drums, etc... No pitch-correcting studio gear, no punch-in's, everyone played it right or played it over... I completely understand how you feel when you say music isn't what it used to be... But that's just the music itself, the business has always been the same whether you can face that fact or not.