For anyone who thinks Native Americans are worse off than African Americans.....

[Dirty Shoez]

what is this white guilt tadou keeps bringing up ? most white people dont have guilt for nothin'

Because that White Guilt has been transformed into White Obligation. There currently exists a White Obligation to make everything perfect for people of color (on the outside at least), at the expense of everybody else.

Now, that whole "everybody else" thing wouldn't be such a big deal if "everybody else" wasn't 60%+ of the population. But they are.

This is all great information and good arguing, but let's get to the bottom of it. No one can go back in time and correct the errors of the past. So rather than dwelling on the injustices you or your ethnic group has encountered, you should focus on what you can do to prosper in today's world. The good ole U S of A provides the chance for everyone to get a piece of the pie, but you must accept American ideologies and assimilate into mainstream society in order to do so.

Essentially, the only culture you need to know is the American one.

Sip Somethin' and Smoke Somethin' Biiiitch

This is all very true. In the Grand Scheme of Things, America runs the world. We on top. We are the Kings. Everybody wants to be us.

My point with this thread wasn't the whole "African-Americans need to be babied" nonsense, or anything similar. My point is that Left-Wingers like to spread untruths, and this is one of their favorite ones because Blacks (being Liberals themselves) rarely disagree with it.

This is something like that whole "Our Calendar is Unconstitutional" thread. The ABSOLUTE FACT of the matter is that the Calendar is unconstitutional. Period. No per se about it. But should it be changed? No, it should not be. Same thing here. The point isn't doing something about something, the point is realizing a reality that exists. The point is to stop being PC and be real.

 

[Cmoke]

`Being' on the internet isn't the point.

Really? What is the point?

HIDING on the internet is..

Whos "hiding" on the internet? haha im right here faggot...i would say anything i say here to your face in person...so whos hiding? aint me.

You come on here to COWER and HIDE, .

Again, what the fuck are you talking about...and how do you come up with this? are you possibly describing yourself?

and you don't like it when the spotlight is on you or someone is being a big meanie head.

What? honestly, what the fuck are u even talking about? haha u cant even make sense, i dont think you know what you're talkin about, either that or its another self reflection that you're trying to place on somone.

You want everybody to be E-Friends, and I think that shit is comedy.

I do? funny coming from the kid who says "freind," before everything he posts...but then again, when did i say anything like this? ever? again im not sure where u come up with this shit...i think that shit is comedy.

just curious, but, how do you come to these conclusions? while i read what you type its just hilarious to watch you tell me what i, myself, am doing....you're a joke.

im here to discuss different topics and share some knowledge as well as learn a few things on the way....iv been posting on the sicc since way back when...you are the only person that iv seen come at somone in every post with an attempt or guess about what a person does or why he/she does it. fact is, you couldnt possibly know what anyone here does, so spare yourself a little embarassment and stop trying to make guesses about ppl through you're own self reflections, as it is quite belittling to you and you're Internet Reputation that you do care about, do not make me sift through all you're worthless posts to prove how much you do indeed get into this shit...practice what you preach. real talk.

 

[DJ Coma]

Something that is not being looked at is which race has more people living in poverty instead of which race has more homeless people. Here is an article I found from the US Census Bureau.

"For non-Hispanic Whites, the poverty rate rose from 7.4 percent in 2000 to 7.8 percent in 2001. But poverty remained at historic lows for African Americans (22.7 percent)."

"The three-year-average (1999-2001) poverty rate for American Indians and Alaska Natives was 24.5 percent"

http://www.policyalmanac.org/social_welfare/archive/poverty_statistics2001.shtml

It doesn't have anything to do with the history you guys are arguing over, which I'm not going to get into because they both were fucked and it's pointless to argue something like who got fucked worse. It does show though that when it comes to poverty, Native Americans are right up there Blacks, and in these years, surpassing them in poverty levels.

 

[PGBD]

Because that White Guilt has been transformed into White Obligation. There currently exists a White Obligation to make everything perfect for people of color (on the outside at least), at the expense of everybody else.

Now, that whole "everybody else" thing wouldn't be such a big deal if "everybody else" wasn't 60%+ of the population. But they are.


This is all very true. In the Grand Scheme of Things, America runs the world. We on top. We are the Kings. Everybody wants to be us.

My point with this thread wasn't the whole "African-Americans need to be babied" nonsense, or anything similar. My point is that Left-Wingers like to spread untruths, and this is one of their favorite ones because Blacks (being Liberals themselves) rarely disagree with it.

This is something like that whole "Our Calendar is Unconstitutional" thread. The ABSOLUTE FACT of the matter is that the Calendar is unconstitutional. Period. No per se about it. But should it be changed? No, it should not be. Same thing here. The point isn't doing something about something, the point is realizing a reality that exists. The point is to stop being PC and be real.

Oh, I see where you're going with it. Good thread.

 

[Dirty Shoez]

Really? What is the point?

Whos "hiding" on the internet? haha im right here faggot...i would say anything i say here to your face in person...so whos hiding? aint me.

Again, what the fuck are you talking about...and how do you come up with this? are you possibly describing yourself?

What? honestly, what the fuck are u even talking about? haha u cant even make sense, i dont think you know what you're talkin about, either that or its another self reflection that you're trying to place on somone.

haha! Hey everyone look, Cmoke is cool! Hey everyone--Cmoke makes all his text white! Hey everyone, Let's all point at Cmoke and laugh!

Who the fuck do you think you're talking to? Why are you laughing? What is funny about you not understanding to debate, and resorting to dumbfuck insults and pleas for attention?

Again.....This isn't ABOUT Real Life. This isn't ABOUT what you "would say in real life". This is ABOUT the fact that You DO VIEW the internet as some place where, if someone starts ripping on you, you're immediately ready to take it outside, and if you can't, you lash out and start acting like a bitch.

You ARE HERE to make friends. That is what you WANT and SEEK. If this board was 90% Conservative, you either WOULD NOT speak up, or you WOULD act like a Conservative. This IS THE WAY YOU ARE. You LOVE the attention you get from being someone who chimes-in but never leads or dominates a debate, the same way I LOVE being hated by infidels like you and RESPECTED by anyone with so much as an ounce of integrity.

Again....not about real life. In real life, I would crush you into pieces debating just about any topic. On a phone conference, I would do the same thing. This isn't ABOUT saying things to people's faces; this is about the fact that you're a fucking reject and you couldn't debate a topic if your life depended on it.

I do? funny coming from the kid who says "freind," before everything he posts...but then again, when did i say anything like this? ever? again im not sure where u come up with this shit...i think that shit is comedy.

just curious, but, how do you come to these conclusions? while i read what you type its just hilarious to watch you tell me what i, myself, am doing....you're a joke.

im here to discuss different topics and share some knowledge as well as learn a few things on the way....iv been posting on the sicc since way back when...you are the only person that iv seen come at somone in every post with an attempt or guess about what a person does or why he/she does it. fact is, you couldnt possibly know what anyone here does, so spare yourself a little embarassment and stop trying to make guesses about ppl through you're own self reflections, as it is quite belittling to you and you're Internet Reputation that you do care about, do not make me sift through all you're worthless posts to prove how much you do indeed get into this shit...practice what you preach. real talk.

And what, pray tell, do I preach, kind sir? I certainly don't preach some loser-sounding shit where I whine when someone makes guesses about how I am in real life. Either they are right or wrong, and that's all there is to it. If i'm going on some big long diatribe about how poor I am, and someone asks me if i ever lived in the streets...The answer is NOT "you don't know me!" or "Stop making guesses about my life! *tears*" -- The correct answer is 'No, No I have not lived in the streets.'

This is what little fagballs like you are afraid of. If i point out how Middle Class your family probably is, you will immediately either downplay it or change the subject. If you do talk about it, you'll say some shit like "We had to struggle too! One time my dad was on unemployment for a year!" But specific details? No way. You don't 'do' details, because they'll make you sound like the spoiled brat you really are. You won't mention the size of the house or houses you grew up in (I grew up in about 9 different ones, BTW). You won't mention the amount of cars your family has or what year (Mine growing up: 1, 8+ years old...never had a new car.) You won't talk about these things because you are fake. Then again, you aren't a pathological liar, just a snake. And if there's one thing I love doing, its exposing you snakes.

You are a fake ass snake, but not quite a liar. Thats not something I'd be very proud of if I were you. But yet and still...you are. You love talking about Dirty Shoez, and when Dirty Shoez is the topic of discussion, you never stop talking. But whenever your depressed, loser-ish Middle-Class Warrior-Rebel life is brought up, you cower and hide like a fucking pussy.

YOU definitely have something to hide. You are a rap fan and you are here to meet friends, especially colored people friends. You know that to do this, you have to be Cool, and being Middle Class is not very Cool, so you hide and stow this away.

ME...I don't have much to hide. I am a poor rap fan and college student that is here to discuss rap music and politics, and I (unlike you) prove this by treating everyone the same, friend or foe. I'll go toe to toe with every last person on this board, because the TOPIC AT HAND is what matters the most to me. NOT the real-life people behind the screennames.


Don't ever step out of line, scrappy. Don't ever do it. You'll get smacked and bitch-slapped every time. I'm not for play. I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast. You are literally no competition. You are fun for a laugh during a lull but that is about it. In fact...thats where it ends.

 

[Dirty Shoez]

Something that is not being looked at is which race has more people living in poverty instead of which race has more homeless people. Here is an article I found from the US Census Bureau.

"For non-Hispanic Whites, the poverty rate rose from 7.4 percent in 2000 to 7.8 percent in 2001. But poverty remained at historic lows for African Americans (22.7 percent)."

"The three-year-average (1999-2001) poverty rate for American Indians and Alaska Natives was 24.5 percent"

http://www.policyalmanac.org/social_welfare/archive/poverty_statistics2001.shtml

It doesn't have anything to do with the history you guys are arguing over, which I'm not going to get into because they both were fucked and it's pointless to argue something like who got fucked worse. It does show though that when it comes to poverty, Native Americans are right up there Blacks, and in these years, surpassing them in poverty levels.

... :eyecross: ...reading...reading...rea-- ! What the hell? An actual argument? An opposing viewpoint with a solid foundation in both logic and research? No insults? No whining and name-calling? What in the HELL is going on here??


This is indeed the way to go. These are very good numbers you looked up. This is not a debate you want to approach, so I will not take it there.

Suffice to say, if the numbers were something like 20% poverty to 50% poverty, I would have no argument. But being as though they are so close, IMO, the driving factor becomes the necessities of life: Food, Shelter, Clothing, etc.

Food having been covered (I believe i covered it, at least), this leaves Housing and Clothing. Natives make their own clothing, so there's that one. Housing-wise...I mean, you can see the numbers.


The Average down-on-his-luck Native American, thrown out in the cold with only the clothing on his back and no place to stay, is better off than the African American in the same position. The Native is, in this scenario, more likely to have a family member or someone else who is willing take them in. This translates to presumably Stronger Families in the Native community (seeing as thought that would be a bitch of a stat to track down, i'll just leave that as an assumption and not a fact.)

In this way....Yes....I believe Natives have it better off. Once you have Individuals and Families, the next steps are Tribes (no pun intended) and then Cities. You could make an argument for lack of political representation, but that in itself is only the icing on an already delicious American cake, if i do say so myself. So you basically have a situation where Natives are more able to have Strong Families that do not leave their people `alone' (knowing what Tribe you're from helps), and a situation where you have 30 million black people that know fuck-all about their history, who could really give a damn about each other.

Its one thing to walk up to a Cherokee, and say "Help me, My Cherokee brother!" in the Cherokee Language. Its another to walk up to some random Black person and say "Man, help a nigga OUT! I ain't got nowhere to go!", no matter the accent.

Thats the main point I didn't set out intending to make, but.....there it goes.

Individual
Family Extended Family <---Most Blacks stop around here.
Tribe
Settlement <--Most Natives end up here, on the Rez.
City
County
State
Nation
World <--Whites aim for here.

When you're Black and shattered at the Family level, with limited Extended family to lean on, and a non-existant Tribe to back you up, that is a situation that places you at the absolute bottom of the...heh heh...totem pole.

 

[Dago2ThaValley]

Its one thing to walk up to a Cherokee, and say "Help me, My Cherokee brother!" in the Cherokee Language. Its another to walk up to some random Black person and say "Man, help a nigga OUT! I ain't got nowhere to go!", no matter the accent.

This is only an assumption. Not all Native Americans are like the ones on tv

 

[Cmoke]

Tadou, Thank you for proving everything i said.

 

[Dirty Shoez]

This is only an assumption. Not all Native Americans are like the ones on tv

True or False:

More Native Americans know Native Languages, than African-Americans know African Languages.

Simple True or False. No elaboration is necessary.



@Cmoke

Me an u r FRENDS!

 

[DJ Coma]

this leaves Housing and Clothing. Natives make their own clothing, so there's that one. Housing-wise...I mean, you can see the numbers.

Umm I know they do make their own clothing, but I really don't see them wearing it around in everyday life.

 

[Dirty Shoez]

My timing was off on that one.

 

[Tycoonin]

I dont know any rich indians...I know some dope fiend ones

 

[Ethereal]

I guess it all depends on where you live. All the Natives I can remember coming across were either well off or bloody rich. There are casino's everywhere now, and that money stretches pretty damn far. I'm sure it is not so glamorous in other parts of the country, though.

 

[UCDgreek]

man if u really beleive blacks have it it worse than native americans u are truly a moron...go take a history class or too

 

[EDJ]

^YEAH, WHITEMAN BOOKS WILL TELL YOU ALRIgHT.

 

[Cmoke]

man if u really beleive blacks have it it worse than native americans u are truly a moron...go take a history class or too

i dont mean do be a dick or correct you but, the "too" should be "two" and while i agree with u on the moronic statment, its funny that u would mispell after that =)

 

[MEXCOM]

i dont mean do be a dick or correct you but, the "too" should be "two" and while i agree with u on the moronic statment, its funny that u would mispell after that =)

I don't mean do be a dick, or correct you, but the "too" should be "two," and while I agree with you on the moronic statement, it's funny that you would misspell after that.

...

 

[Cmoke]

good thing we dont get graded on this shit huh.


Also, the "i dont mean do be a dick.... "

should be to, instead of do....damn u didnt catch that one did u smartass?

 

[MEXCOM]

good thing we dont get graded on this shit huh.


Also, the "i dont mean do be a dick.... "

should be to, instead of do....damn u didnt catch that one did u smartass?

No. i deed knot gEt tHat OnE! U is sMart for a faggit!

 

[Dirty Shoez]

hahahaha what a asshat!