For anyone who thinks Native Americans are worse off than African Americans.....
- Thread starter Dirty Shoez
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When we landed in the Americas, there was well under 1 billion people in the WORLD. You do the math, stupid fuck. If you dump millions of people ANYWHERE, the native population's percentage share is going to go down, REGARDLESS of who does or doesn't get murked.
And if we really want to play THAT game......you tell ME whats worse:
having your homeland which u have lived on for generations peacefully, be invaded and taken over, meanwhile raping and killing your families untill being nearly totally wiped out then segregated into the shittiest parts of the country
OR
Being systematically segregated to the point of NOT BEING ALLOWED to be around people who speak your own language, and having this segregation continue until the present day where almost NO BLACK PERSON (PERIOD) HAS A CLUE HOW TO TRACE THEIR ANCESTRY, WHAT COUNTRY THEY'RE ORIGINALLY FROM, ETC......NOTHING. NO HISTORY.
Native Americans HAVE history. They KNOW where they come from, they KNOW their languages. -- Black Americans have NO HISTORY. Their culture, aside from what the White Man teaches, DOES NOT EXIST!!!
-- You can fuck your way back into a larger population share. YOU CANNOT FUCK YOUR WAY BACK INTO KNOWING YOUR HISTORY, YOUR ANCESTORS AND YOUR ORIGINAL TONGUE. -- Understand this!!!
You DO NOT want to get into culture comparisons with me. You DO NOT WANT THIS. You WILL stick to raw facts and figures, or you WILL be buried. You CANNOT culturally compare Blacks and Natives, it is NOT EVEN CLOSE.
And if we really want to play THAT game......you tell ME whats worse:
having your homeland which u have lived on for generations peacefully, be invaded and taken over, meanwhile raping and killing your families untill being nearly totally wiped out then segregated into the shittiest parts of the country
OR
Being systematically segregated to the point of NOT BEING ALLOWED to be around people who speak your own language, and having this segregation continue until the present day where almost NO BLACK PERSON (PERIOD) HAS A CLUE HOW TO TRACE THEIR ANCESTRY, WHAT COUNTRY THEY'RE ORIGINALLY FROM, ETC......NOTHING. NO HISTORY.
Native Americans HAVE history. They KNOW where they come from, they KNOW their languages. -- Black Americans have NO HISTORY. Their culture, aside from what the White Man teaches, DOES NOT EXIST!!!
-- You can fuck your way back into a larger population share. YOU CANNOT FUCK YOUR WAY BACK INTO KNOWING YOUR HISTORY, YOUR ANCESTORS AND YOUR ORIGINAL TONGUE. -- Understand this!!!
You DO NOT want to get into culture comparisons with me. You DO NOT WANT THIS. You WILL stick to raw facts and figures, or you WILL be buried. You CANNOT culturally compare Blacks and Natives, it is NOT EVEN CLOSE.
what sparked the idea for this thread? just curious. both cultures sufferd....to try and "rate it on a scale" which is what you're trying to do with this thread by entitling as you have, is pointless and honestly just worthless and stupid...homeless PEOPLE are homeless no matter what race...the only thing your trying to argue is whos had it worse, thats an opinion question, if u dont want people to offer they're opinions on your topic of dicussion then dont create a fucking thread, simple as that.
Carry on...
Carry on...
the native americans were fuckin nearly KILLED OFF... how can u say anybody has had it worse off then being slaughtered????
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Real spit.
also, there has been no Native cival rights movement.. the natives had no MLK, Malcom X and the like... the people they had to look up too were the people who were ancestorial to the Natives who fought the white man for their land before any of us were even here... the white man PURPOSEFULLY distributed blankets that were taken off someone who died from plague like viruses to captured VILLAGES for the sole purpose of ridding them... (first known case of germ warfare)
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Real spit.
also, there has been no Native cival rights movement.. the natives had no MLK, Malcom X and the like... the people they had to look up too were the people who were ancestorial to the Natives who fought the white man for their land before any of us were even here... the white man PURPOSEFULLY distributed blankets that were taken off someone who died from plague like viruses to captured VILLAGES for the sole purpose of ridding them... (first known case of germ warfare)
OK not a "quote war" but i had to break up this paragraph for a reason...cuz u made a succession of wrong statements..
Correction.. Native Americans have history that hass been re-written by the same people who have taken it over..
Correction.. Entire Tribes were moved from one place to the other multiple times.. after there land was "purchased" and the history of many tribes have vague refrences as to orgins due to such..
some tribes had diffrent sub-languages and they belive some were lost..
ok.. now read exactly what u typed... AMERICAN.. the NATIVE AMERICANS whom were where u stand. didnt have a say in the matter!!
MANY NATIVES DO!!!!!!
AND IN THIS CORNER....
Correction.. Native Americans have history that hass been re-written by the same people who have taken it over..
Correction.. Entire Tribes were moved from one place to the other multiple times.. after there land was "purchased" and the history of many tribes have vague refrences as to orgins due to such..
some tribes had diffrent sub-languages and they belive some were lost..
ok.. now read exactly what u typed... AMERICAN.. the NATIVE AMERICANS whom were where u stand. didnt have a say in the matter!!
MANY NATIVES DO!!!!!!
AND IN THIS CORNER....
Indigenous Americans were wiped out...almost completely obliterated from Quebec to Mexico. The degree to which they lost life and property on a per capita basis certainly dwarfs that of African Americans. I have never met an "American Indian" in my life, and I grew up in San Francisco. That has to say something about the serious lack of Indigenous American peoples in our country. Most are relegated to out of the way reservations in sparse, remote locations. Cointelpro and discrimination are one thing - raw genocide to the point of near-extinction is another.
You will NOT have difficulty finding a black man/women in 99.9% of America. The same can not be said for American Indians. I'm sure, given the choice of racism and discrimination or death, they would choose racism, discrimination, and public housing; situations they already face and live with on a daily basis.
Your arguments are somewhat asinine - Black Americans do have traditions and a culture, some of it remnants of the African past, some new pieces of identity created in America. Black historians can tell you all day about lore, games, and traditions among slave communities, variants of which still exist today - most notably in American popular culture but also in science and philosophical contributions, especially American epistemology.
To say that Black Americans were completely stripped of individuality, culture, and history upon arrival in America is a patronizing statement. Much of pre-slavery Africa's lore and traditions had strong roots in oral histories and transmission through stories and prose.
And yes, the Indians do own Casinos. However, they are en masse conspicuously second-class Americans, for reasons rather unbeknownst to me, but which I'm sure have roots in discrimination, the downward spiral of poverty, and th eheavy rate of alchoholism in during reservation relocation post-reservation Indians.
You will NOT have difficulty finding a black man/women in 99.9% of America. The same can not be said for American Indians. I'm sure, given the choice of racism and discrimination or death, they would choose racism, discrimination, and public housing; situations they already face and live with on a daily basis.
Your arguments are somewhat asinine - Black Americans do have traditions and a culture, some of it remnants of the African past, some new pieces of identity created in America. Black historians can tell you all day about lore, games, and traditions among slave communities, variants of which still exist today - most notably in American popular culture but also in science and philosophical contributions, especially American epistemology.
To say that Black Americans were completely stripped of individuality, culture, and history upon arrival in America is a patronizing statement. Much of pre-slavery Africa's lore and traditions had strong roots in oral histories and transmission through stories and prose.
And yes, the Indians do own Casinos. However, they are en masse conspicuously second-class Americans, for reasons rather unbeknownst to me, but which I'm sure have roots in discrimination, the downward spiral of poverty, and th eheavy rate of alchoholism in during reservation relocation post-reservation Indians.
Thats one way to put it. The other is to consider the fact that tens or even hundreds of millions of slaves died EN ROUTE to this country, ON TOP OF the millions that were butchered and maimed and psychologically anihiliated when they finally got here.
You keep talking about Life, and pure Numbers, and you are missing the point. As i said, you can fuck your way back into a higher population share. You CANNOT fuck your way back into knowing your history and culture. Natives were allowed to maintain at least A GOOD AMOUNT (don't get on my dick about MOST or ALL) of their customs, languages, histories and traditions. Slaves were permitted to maintain NEXT TO NOTHING.
Come again?
Most Natives in California have been Mexicanized. Just the way it is. Either that, or they moved away to Arizona or New Mexico or places like these. Second of all, go OUTSIDE of the former Northern Mexico states, and you WILL find Natives ALL OVER. Go to my hometown, Aberdeen WA, and look around. 90% white, about 0.1% Black, and yet you will find numerous Natives there though there isn't a reservation for 40-50+ miles.
I have already covered this. It is hard to pass down your so-called "oral histories" and prose and stories, when you have been separated from everyone else that speaks your language and it has been effectively eradicated.
There is nothing asenine about my arguments. I am speaking the truth, and you are speaking in generalities and sugar-coatings. You desperately want to defend Natives, and that is your right. But it doesn't mean you can't be wrong, and in this case, you are very wrong.
History...gone. Language...destroyed. Ancestry...unknown. Traditions...disappeared. Every last one of these things, unless you want to count 7 or 9 isolated instances and apply them to millions of circumstances, have largely gone away. They no longer exists. What exists now is the White Man's History of Africa, and we all must learn and accept it, as there is no alternative. There is no African Reservation to go to where we might at least have a CHANCE to find out where we came from or how we used to speak.
And Black people have S.D.E. And then what? The conversation has shifted here, sport. We're no longer talking about money, the main measure of MONEY being HOUSING, which people know is a losing argument.
We are now talking about culture, and in that regard, Native Americans are about 150x better off. Again, African Reservations...DO NOT EXIST. You can talk about how shitty the N.A. ones are until you're blue in the face, but something will ALWAYS be better than NOTHING.
You keep talking about Life, and pure Numbers, and you are missing the point. As i said, you can fuck your way back into a higher population share. You CANNOT fuck your way back into knowing your history and culture. Natives were allowed to maintain at least A GOOD AMOUNT (don't get on my dick about MOST or ALL) of their customs, languages, histories and traditions. Slaves were permitted to maintain NEXT TO NOTHING.
Come again?
Most Natives in California have been Mexicanized. Just the way it is. Either that, or they moved away to Arizona or New Mexico or places like these. Second of all, go OUTSIDE of the former Northern Mexico states, and you WILL find Natives ALL OVER. Go to my hometown, Aberdeen WA, and look around. 90% white, about 0.1% Black, and yet you will find numerous Natives there though there isn't a reservation for 40-50+ miles.
I have already covered this. It is hard to pass down your so-called "oral histories" and prose and stories, when you have been separated from everyone else that speaks your language and it has been effectively eradicated.
There is nothing asenine about my arguments. I am speaking the truth, and you are speaking in generalities and sugar-coatings. You desperately want to defend Natives, and that is your right. But it doesn't mean you can't be wrong, and in this case, you are very wrong.
History...gone. Language...destroyed. Ancestry...unknown. Traditions...disappeared. Every last one of these things, unless you want to count 7 or 9 isolated instances and apply them to millions of circumstances, have largely gone away. They no longer exists. What exists now is the White Man's History of Africa, and we all must learn and accept it, as there is no alternative. There is no African Reservation to go to where we might at least have a CHANCE to find out where we came from or how we used to speak.
And Black people have S.D.E. And then what? The conversation has shifted here, sport. We're no longer talking about money, the main measure of MONEY being HOUSING, which people know is a losing argument.
We are now talking about culture, and in that regard, Native Americans are about 150x better off. Again, African Reservations...DO NOT EXIST. You can talk about how shitty the N.A. ones are until you're blue in the face, but something will ALWAYS be better than NOTHING.
For a White Liberal who isn't currently flexing his agenda, of course it would be.
The point is that this is an argument that has came up before, and if you will look at the name of the thread, that is who the invite was extended to.
This is my thread. And if you don't like it--GET THE FUCK OUT!
And Yes, I was very mad making this thread. Irate, even. Nevermind the smirk I must have had on my face, finding out indisputable evidence and putting yet another Liberal myth to rest.....I was very angry.
The point is that this is an argument that has came up before, and if you will look at the name of the thread, that is who the invite was extended to.
This is my thread. And if you don't like it--GET THE FUCK OUT!
And Yes, I was very mad making this thread. Irate, even. Nevermind the smirk I must have had on my face, finding out indisputable evidence and putting yet another Liberal myth to rest.....I was very angry.
this word you Bolded...is my biggest problem with the whole "arguement"..
They were BROUGHT here....
Indians WERE HERE and they were Demolished....
so in came the slaves from Africa..
No one is gonna deny that millions died on boats (starvation, disease, etc) or from murder....
but to sit here Today and say ...Indians didnt have it "worse than Africans" is totally ridiculous...
I guess....If America invaded africa...whiped out the african people and remaining tribes (yes there are tribes there still today)....then we can compare the situation..
but the simple fact that we are arguing who "had it worse"...flatout dumb. Everyone civilization at one point in time throughout history has had it bad....
It will continue...and continue..
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Dirty Shoez said:
For a White Liberal who isn't currently flexing his agenda, of course it would be.
The point is that this is an argument that has came up before, and if you will look at the name of the thread, that is who the invite was extended to.
This is my thread. And if you don't like it--GET THE FUCK OUT!
And Yes, I was very mad making this thread. Irate, even. Nevermind the smirk I must have had on my face, finding out indisputable evidence and putting yet another Liberal myth to rest.....I was very angry.
The point is that this is an argument that has came up before, and if you will look at the name of the thread, that is who the invite was extended to.
This is my thread. And if you don't like it--GET THE FUCK OUT!
And Yes, I was very mad making this thread. Irate, even. Nevermind the smirk I must have had on my face, finding out indisputable evidence and putting yet another Liberal myth to rest.....I was very angry.
first of all tadou, DO NOT ATTEMPT to label me as anything..... u have no fucking clue where i stand. and you're not one to place labels on anyone faggot...keep that shit to yourself..
and as you can see im not the only one who sees you're "arguement" to be stupid as fuck...u preach about seeing both sides of the "arguement" but u definatly dont practice what you preach...i think theres a word for that...its call a hypocrite
