DEgREES OF WIggA-ISM

already dead. · Aug 19, 2003

The "white supremacy views of white rap fans" are exceptions, not rules. If anything, white rap fans surpass the knowledge of everyday white people in the black situation and the black struggle. You would seek to rule out all white people as not qualified or not posessed of a right to theorize or hold views on the Black/Ghetto situation because white people are racist. However, your argument contains circular logic; it is based on a racist premise.

White supremacy as a whole has seen a huge decline in power and overall importance. According to your hypothesis a merely disinformed stance on Black people is an example of white supremacy. I would say, however, that instead of 'fighting the white man', a headless, bodyless concept that can only be conjured and has no real basis of action, we make conscious efforts to bridge racial divides. The average white person is just as ignorant of the black mentality as the black man is of the white mentality.

HERESY · Aug 19, 2003

1.i dont date white women/girls.

2.i talk to ALL people *ESPECIALLY* white people.

i answered honestly and im NOT in line with what your saying.

I've networked with latinos,asians,whites,blacks and jews from this site.

which one would i kick it with first?

"mc-niggaicanbustacapinyomommasasswheniblastfothecashnowshutthefukupcuzibe'sasicc crip"

OR

"y-t that knows about the crooked church,globalism,tlc and the cfr"

im going with WHOEVER is on the same page as me. color doesnt matter.

:h:

already dead. · Aug 19, 2003

Heresy, I think you and I would both agree you are a few degrees from the typical black mentality.

Ethereal · Aug 22, 2003

HERESY: Im finished with blowing this thread up with the GARBAGE & BULLSHIT that the both of us are puting into it. What we are arguing about has nothing to do with the topic, and has been done for days upon end in the last thread, to no avail. It is as sure as the sun will rise, that we are NEVER going to come to any sort of agreement on any of the matter's discussed between us in this thread. If you feel that you want to hear what I have to say on some of the topics you presented, then ask me in a civilized manner, and be specific. If not, then kill that shit.

If you have some personal problem or matter you want to discuss with me, then hit my PM's.

BAMMER said:

Good shit. Like I said before, I never said the Beastie Boys invented rap, not even close. Im just saying, before hip-hop went mainstream, you had a group of "WHITE" boys HELPING to get it where it is today. Their effort, although quite large, might be small when looking at what it took to do this in it's entirety, it should NEVER go un-noticed as it has.

Ethereal · Aug 22, 2003

already dead. said:

This is what I have been saying for some time now, and is a great example of the situation I face on this message board.

"Im saying if a white person proposed a solution to a problem that you didn't like, you would reject it as opposed to hearing out the same solution had it been provided by an "black" person." -NITRO (5/29/03 1:23pm)

already dead. said:

The same theory is what lead me to question whether some people on this board even know what "WHITE SUPREMACY" is.

already dead. said:

Hmmm, Black Supremacy? :dead:

Ethereal · Aug 22, 2003

SOLO said:

No, you took my words out of context. There is blame to be placed on people in this country for the current and past struggle endured by African Americans, but not all, thats why I said "SO MUCH", the part you left out. You can blame the Government and past Opressors for African Americans having less opportunity in their environments. "Black" people living in poverty is part of the aftermath of slavery. You can't however, blame them for a "BLACK" man picking up a gun, or a "BLACK" man contracting AIDS. We all have a choice, we all have our own free will, I have seen it first hand. I see SUCCESSFUL African Americans EVERY DAY. At one point or another, they too were going through struggle, they too were living in poverty (not all). Were these African Americans given a hand out? Did someone along the way take them out of poverty and shelter them for a better life? Logic would say that, they took initiative and made a life for themselves. That is an ENTIRELY different subject that I would be more then willing to talk about in a civilized manner, just not with some other cats on this board.

SOLO said:

Because according to too many African Americans, I would be waging a battle against myself. Instead of focussing on the "WHITE" race entirely, why don't you fight against both "BLACK" and "WHITE" supremacy.

HERESY · Aug 22, 2003

^^^ i asked you the folllowing over a month ago:

ive asked you MANY things in a "civilized" manner but i didnt get ANY results...yes i did.....FOUL LANGUAGE and ATTEMPTS at ridicule

http://siccness.net/vb/newreply.php...;threadid=69361

so no i have no need to ask you anything else.

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO STARTS THE B.S. AND YOU *FORGET* ABOUT IT OR SWEEP IT UNDER THE RUG LIKE ITS NOTHING (SORT OF LIKE YOU DO NOW.)

A PERSON POINTS OUT THE OBVIOUS AND YOU INCITE A RIOT. YOU WANT TO PLAY GAMES LIKE THAT? FINE. NOW WHEN THE SHOE IS REVERSED YOU WANT TO "SQUASH" IT.

YOU CALL PEOPLE COWARDS?

BACK IT UP. CATCH ME IN TRAFFIC OR SET UP A SPOT TO MEET AT.

YOU CALL PEOPLE LIARS?

PROVE IT WITH POSTS. QUOTE ME AND SHOW THE LIES (LIKE I DID YOURS)

NOW YOU WANT TO TALK ON A "CIVILIZED" MANNER AFTER I'VE BEEN CALLED ALL TYPES OF FAGGOTS,DIP SHITS ETC ETC ETC?

FUCK YOU

FUCK YOUR PM

AND YEAH IM GONNA HIT YOU ON THE PM SO I CAN SET UP A DATE AND PLACE TO TELL YOU TO YOUR FACE WHAT I AM TELLING YOU NOW.

:h:

Ethereal · Aug 22, 2003

HERESY said:

Regardless how you feel you asked it, I didn't think it was civilized. That question was asked after shit was already blown out of proportion

HERESY said:

I was having a perfectly fine conversation with other's on this board before you came in and blew it up. Regardless who started it with a single point of view, you are the one that takes it far and beyond anything importand or relevant.

HERESY said:

What you call "OBVIOUS" is your opinion, or point of view. Im not trying to squash shit, im trying to rid the BULLSHIT that is cluttering this specific thread.

HERESY said:

Does the size of a man or his ability to fight prove he isn't a coward? Any big bodied human can damage another, but also be afraid of spiders at the same time. Courage & Coward are not words determined by physical attributes.

HERESY said:

I believe I have done that on countless occasions.

HERESY said:

You called me a Racist (before I spoke a single cuss word), a FAGGOT, called my father a pedophile, and talked of incest within my own family. Did I talk about your family? There is more where that came from, stop acting like your innocent here. I don't care of any motivation that caused you to say such things, you said them, and thats that.

HERESY said:

LOL!

HERESY said:

Is there some goal or accomplishment that will come of this? If you can't take what you dish out, you should retire.

HERESY · Aug 22, 2003

I CONSTANTLY ASKED YOU TO SHARE YOUR VIEWS AND EXPLAIN. I CONSTANTLY ASKED YOU QUESTIONS RELEVENT TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND THE PROBLEMS THAT OTHERS WANTED TO ADDRESS. YOU DIDNT ADDRESS THEM. WHEN YOU PRESENTED YOUR "PROBLEMS" I ANSWERED THEM. WHEN I PRESENTED MINE YOU DIDNT.CASE CLOSED.

I DIDNT BLOW ANYTHING UP. WHAT I SAID WASNT DIRECTED AT YOU BUT TO SOMEONE ELSE. NOW ITS "REGARDLESS OF WHO STARTED IT".

IF YOU ARE GOING TO THROW ROCKS DONT CRY FOR PEACE WHEN I THROW BOULDERS. ALL I DID WAS POINT OUT THE OBVIOUS. AFTER POINTING IT OUT I GET ALL TYPES OF NAMES AND INSULTS TOSSED MY WAY.

FINE I WILL PLAY BY YOUR RULES NOW.

OK LETS SAY ITS MY OPINION (AN OPINION HELD BY MANY OTHERS WHO HAVE READ BOTH THREADS). WHAT YOU CALL "PROBLEMS" IS YOUR OPINION AND POINT OF VIEW. BY YOU RIDDING THE THREAD OF BULLSHIT YOU ARE TRYING TO SQUASH IT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO DISRESPECT ME I AM GOING TO RETURN THE FAVOR. I DIDNT CALL YOU A DIPSHIT, I DIDNT CALL YOU ANYTHING. SO NOW WHEN I START TO PLAY YOUR GAME ITS "LETS RID THE THREAD OF BULLSHIT"??????

YOU PLAY DIRTY I PLAY DIRTY.

BIG WORDS FROM A SMALL MAN.

YOU WANT TO PLAY "THOUGH GUY" ONLINE BUT WHEN SOMEONE PULLS YOUR CARD YOU SING A DIFFERENT TUNE...

I DIDNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT FIGHTING BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU THE CHANCE TO SAY ALL OF THESE THINGS OFFLINE.

WRONG! YOU DIDNT DO IT HERE AND YOU DIDNT DO IT IN ANY OTHER THREAD/POST.

WHERE IN THIS THREAD DID I CALL YOU A RACIST? WHERE IN THIS THREAD DID I CALL YOU A FAGGOT? PLEASE QUOTE ME (IN THIS THREAD OR THE OTHER ONE) DOING THE ABOVE. ARE YOU MISSING YOUR OWN POSTS ROCKET SCIENTIST?

HERES AN EXAMPLE:

NOW WHEN YOU MAKE COMMENTS LIKE THAT YOUR OPEN FOR ATTACK. YOU CANT PUNCH SOMEONE BUT CRY BECAUSE THEY HIT YOU HARDER.

IN THAT OTHER THREAD I TOLD YOU THAT IF MY BEHAVIOUR WAS WRONG THAT I APOLOGIZE. I DONT RECALL USING FOUL LANGUAGE WITH YOU IN THAT THREAD. DID YOU RETURN THE FAVOR?

YEAH LOL!

YOU'RE THE ONE WHO CAN DISH IT BUT CANT TAKE IT. THIS THREAD AND THE OTHER ONE PROVES IT.

:h:

PS YOU HAVE A PM I SENT IT B4 I TYPED THIS.

Ethereal · Aug 22, 2003

LIE #1

HERESY said:

We have been over this a hundred times, this is the bullshit im talking about. How did you reply to my problems, "this is not a problem"? I responded to you right off the bat...

"I don't know the answer to that, and although im sure you have some futile plot to turn this against me, this has no relevance to what we are talking about. There are many aspects of poverty that I still don't know about as well as you, just because you know one thing I don't doesnt mean shit."

"It's a plan for the government to get involved with those that are less fortunate ie. homeless people and drug addicts, and yes, minorities as well as whites in areas that have very few option's for success."

"No, I don't have numbers for all of that and I don't feel like searching the web to find out, I know that African Americans are at risk in almost everyone of those catagories as opposed to other races, but your arguing the wrong person because I have full intentions of doing what I can in order to help the situation, and I wish everything was different, but I don't have a magic wand."

This is just on the first couple of pages that you started with your questions, there are many more. If you read on, I answered a great deal of questions you posed, im sorry if I didn't touch on all of them. I was completely respectful.

HERESY said:

Im not crying for peace. That was a nice, civilized way of saying "SHUT THE FUCK UP". We can move this to another thread, im trying to keep it out of this one.

HERESY said:

I know there are many that support you. There are others who support my views, though.

Quote of the day: "WOW at least Nitro see the light. Thank you sir"

Can you name that quote!

HERESY said:

JUST THIS THREAD. Take it to the "Who should be responsible..." thread for all I care, but I don't want to kill everyones expierence on this forum by our discussions. Have you noticed the decrease in replies on the thread when we take it over?

HERESY said:

You don't know the first thing about me.

HERESY said:

Nope, same tune. You ain't pulled shit with your internet gangsta attitude.

HERESY said:

LIE #2

"BLIND RACIST"

LIE #3

HERESY said:

This here is from your FIRST EVER reply to me. I will mention as well, the the post was not directed specifically towards you, nor did I insult anyone. Here is the "respect" he claimed to show me, again from the very first thread.

HERESY said:

Ahhh, well mannered. Wouldn't you say? Like I said, from the jump he disrespcted me.

HERESY said:

See above.

Round and around we go. This is constructive. I honestly believe at the end of this, we will agree on everything in here 100% and we will be buying each other drinks laughing about this whole ordeal.

:dead:

:dead:

already dead. · Aug 22, 2003

Another one bites the dust. Damn make ya own post about this.

HERESY · Aug 23, 2003

1.ACTUALLY NITRO I DONT THINK THAT WAS MY FIRST EVER RESPONSE TO YOU.

2.I TOLD YOU THAT IF I DID USE FOUL LANGUAGE TOWARDS YOU THAT I ***APOLOGIZE*** FOR MY ACTIONS/BEHAVIOUR. AFTER THAT I TOLD YOU THAT I WOULD TRY TO MEET YOU IN THE MIDDLE TO RESOLVE CERTAIN ISSUES. IS THAT NOT SHOWING RESPECT?

3.ITS NO NEED TO MOVE IT TO ANOTHER THREAD. *YOU* KNOW WHERE I STAND IN REGARDS TO *YOU*. IT WOULD BE FUTILE TO KEEP GOING OVER THE SAME THINGS WITH YOU.

TAKE IT **OFF** THE SICCNESS. THATS WHERE IM AT NOW. NO "INTERNET GANGSTER" STUFF (AS YOU SAY), NO MR.TOUGH GUY.

4.I DID NOT CALL YOU FAGGOT OR ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS *THREAD*. WHEN I CALLED YOU FAGGOT THAT WAS IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU SAID HERE:

http://siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69057&perpage=15&pagenumber=5

WHY ARE YOU MENTIONING THE OTHER THREAD? HOW IS IT RELEVENT TO ME CALLING YOU A FAG IN THIS TRHEAD? NOT TO MENTION THAT *ME* CALLING YOU A FAG WAS IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO *YOU* CALLING ME A FAG.

5.I STILL BELIEVE THAT YOUR STATEMENTS OF:

"Fixing the problems of "black" people is no one's responsibility whatsoever, not even “black” people as a whole are responsible for that."

AND

"The main thing that keeps racism the way it is today is the unwillingness of African Americans to have an open mind to a solution. All they want to hear is how they have been fucked over and they deserve this and that because people they don't even know were enslaved for hundreds of years."

ARE AMONGST THE STUPIDEST THINGS EVER POSTED ON THE NET.
I DID NOT CALL YOU STUPID (LIKE HOW YOU CALLED ME RETARDED). YOUR STATEMENTS ARE STUPID (IN MY OPINION). AT A CERTAIN TIME I THOUGHT YOU WERE "DUMB AS FUCK" BUT NOW MY MINDSET HAS CHANGED...MY OUTLOOK ON YOU HAS TAKEN A TURN FOR THE WORSE BUT WHAT DOES IT MATTER?

YOU WILL HAVE YOUR OPINION OF ME AND I WILL HAVE ONE OF YOU.

6. I BELIEVE I CALLED YOU A BLIND RACIST. BEFORE YOU TAKE IT AS A "BAD" TERM YOU SHOULD BECOME FAMILIAR WITH IT.

7.YOU QUOTING XIANEX PROVES WHAT? I CAN POST HIM AGREEING WITH ME ALSO (FROM THAT SAME THREAD).

8.I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE DECREASE IN REPLIES. I HAVE HAD MANY OF MY THREADS DESTROYED BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU (IN FACT YOU DID IT TO ME BEFORE). SO NOW THAT IM A "THREAD KILLER" IM "WRONG".

LOL!

9.I HAVE NO TIME FOR "NET GANGSTERS". HOWEVER I DO ENJOY GIVING PEOPLE THE CHANCE TO SAY HOW THEY FEEL *PERSONALLY*.

OFFLINE

ON THE PHONE

IN PERSON

WHATEVER.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID I WILL RETURN THIS THREAD BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL OWNER.

:h:

HERESY · Aug 23, 2003

@ ALREADY DEAD WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I WILL POST AS I PLEASE. EDJ HAD NO COMPLAINTS. HOWEVER I *WILL* RESPECT YOU ALL.

NITRO LETS DROP IT. I HAVE SAID MY PEACE AND YOU HAVE SAID YOURS. *YOU* KNOW WHERE I STAND. IM NOT TRYING TO MAKE ANOTHER THREAD.

BACK AT @ ALREADY DEAD WHAT IS THE TYPICAL BLACK MENTALITY????

:h:

already dead. · Aug 24, 2003

I can't categorize the "typical black mentality", because the "average black person" doesn't exist.

However, more times than not, if given the choice to spend time or get to know a black person or a white person, a black person will pick another black person to associate with. And this goes deeper than just "black and white". It's black and "everyone else". There is a sufficient degree of self-segregation among the black community, which contributes to uninformed opinions about African-Americans among other races.

You might be an exception, as are many of the people on this board. However, many in the black community constantly use "black and proud" mentality as a double-edged sword. It does engender pride and a will to succeed, however on the other hand many inwardly or outwardly hold the view that only events/lifestyles/ideas/people significant to the black community are worthy of receiving attention.

On the subject of Broadd's post, there is probably more animosity in the black community for black women who don't "act black, speak black, dress black, date black men exclusively" etc. than there is against wiggers. And even if "wigga hatred" exceeds "whitewashed hatred", at least most of Malibu's Most Wanted are tucked away far enough in the burbs or the cuts to not experience much of it. Once again my girl is mixed, and she has black friends who don't ascribe to only black culture, and they experience constant harassment, nonacceptance, etc.

Also, the "whitewashed" concept. Black public officials constantly tread a thin line. If a black man isn't successful because of rapping or sports, they are often scrutinized to a high degree if they don't speak Ebonics, act stereotypically black, etc. People like Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, Bryant GUmbel, etc. , regardless of being black and successful are seen as either a Pawn of the Republican party or a whitewashed black person because they don't act black enough. However, a black man who speaks in 95% slang, only associates with mostly other African-Americans, and adopts a steretypical "black male" mentality puts himself at risk of underachievement and isolation. This is the same dilemma faced by the black community. Many view contact with white people or other races as a bad thing, or a sign that someone has "lost touch with their roots", however in many cases, "their roots" are exactly what's holding them down.

stressfacta · Aug 25, 2003

as soon as i smoke weed, i feel like IM g'eed and ready to clown rap sounds better then anything us white folks put out

Ethereal · Aug 25, 2003

SOLO said:

I don't see any truth to this whatsoever. The labels that the Government place upon humans in this country have nothing to do with how society labels people. Society DOES define a "WHITE" person as someone with "WHITE" or tan skin. Don't believe me, check it out...

Here are 3 defenitions of the word WHITE along with their source that I found on the first three online dictionaries I came across. These are the definition's that society knows to be true.

Source: Dictionary.com

2 a : being a member of a group or race characterized by reduced pigmentation and usually specifically distinguished from persons belonging to groups marked by black, brown, yellow, or red skin coloration b : of, relating to, characteristic of, or consisting of white people c : marked by upright fairness.

Source: http://www.m-w.com (Webster)

f. also White A member of a racial group of people having light skin coloration, especially one of European origin. See Usage Note at black.

Source: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/

white (PEOPLE) adjective, noun [C]
(of) a person who has a skin that is pale in colour:
He had a black mother and a white father.
a predominantly white neighbourhood
The neighbourhood is populated mainly by whites.

Society does not define a "white" person as anyone with white or tan skin?

You might be familiar with these movies, they are classic!

Is this movie about opressors who can't jump? Or is it about people with pale or tan colored skin, not being able to jump.

Is this about the hyped up boxing opressor? Or is it about an Irish guy (refered to constantly as the "white" guy in this movie) who is hyped up to be some boxing phenom. The funny thing is, in this movie, the Irish boxer displays a great deal of dislike towards his trainer when he hears him make racial comments about his "BLACK" opponent.

Both of these movies portray "WHITE" people, who not only stand against white supremacy, but show dislike towards it. They both are the exact opposite of what we are saying WHITE people are, yet this is how society see's "WHITE" people. If the rest of this country didn't know it like this, they would have changed the name to "The great Irish hype" because no one would understand why they labeled him "WHITE".

Still not convinced? Try a survey. Im being serious now, go and ask an equal number of both "WHITE" and "BLACK" people what a "WHITE" person is. Im not asking you this hoping that you won't do it, I really think it would help you understand. I bet the answers will be consistant with me theory. There are a number or humans who understand the differences within the generalized "WHITE" race, but a VAST majority of our population are compeltely dumb to this idea, they make up our society.

SOLO said:

Your asking the wrong person. I agree that the color of a person's skin does not determine wheter he is "WHITE" or "BLACK", but we are 2 people out of what, 400-500 million humans living in this country? Sure their are others that understand what we are talking about, but Society, by a HUGE margin, simply does not know any of this.

SOLO said:

No I do not see, because when you generalize like that, you are including, by Society's standards, many "WHITE" people, who like you said, are not "WHITE" at all. You mentioned that there are many "WHITE" people in this country, that are not "WHITE" at all, correct? By generalizing, you are placing these humans in the same racial catagory as the opressor. YOU might know he is not "WHITE", but the other 99.9% of this country (especially those of African decent) see him EXACTLY as they see those that are oppressive. Do you doubt that if I walk up to any given African American, ask him what a white person is, and without any knowledge of who or what I am, he will look at me and say "You are"? I have talked to many African Americans in my life time, and not a single one of them had any idea of a devide in the "WHITE" race.

SOLO said:

No it's not what I think that matters here, it's what others believe to be true.

SOLO said:

The way your making this all sound is like, if your a real fan of rap, then you have to be a part of our culture, otherwise you support white supremacy. I still don't see how you have come remotely close to showing me how a MAJORITY of "WHITE" hip-hop fans hold white supremacist beliefs. What do you mean struggling along side of blacks? Are you saying they would be taking time out of their own life to help African Americans fight struggle, or that they would have no choice but to live through struggle along side of African Americans. I don't see that either can be true. I don't think a "WHITE" rap fan has any obligation in order to shun white supremacy. Has it ever crossed your mind that, maybe people listen to the music because of how it sounds, without knowledge or care about where it came from? Do you think there is anything wrong with that? Look at all these types of music that exist today, it is only Rap/Hip-Hop that seems to have a set of rules or standards that must BE in order to receive support from those within the culture. A "WHITE" man need NOT inform himself of any roots of this music, in order NOT to be stereotyped as a white supremacist. He need NOT "cherish" the music as African Americans do, in order NOT to be stereotyped as a white supremacist. He need not do any of this in order to NOT be stereotyped as a "WIGGER". To African Americans, Rap/Hip-Hop might be one of the most important parts of their culture, they may cherish it down to the bone. However, that does not mean that to others, it isn't just another form of music, like country, rock, jazz or what have you. There is nothing wrong with not cherishing this music as much as African Americans. I don't see anyone cappin' on Lenny Kravitz or Sevendust. I think deep down, within many African Americans (especially those who support your beliefs on this matter) are scared of the thought of any "WHITE" person having success in the rap game. They want this game for themselves. There are so many things in this life that are dominated by "WHITE" people, yet this is one of few things created and dominated by "BLACK" people. I think, as far as Rap/Hip-Hop, "WHITE" people are being WRONGFULLY stereotyped with the notion that they support white supremecist beliefs in any manner, or words like "WIGGER" that get tossed around without thought.

SOLO said:

Is this anything like African Americans not willing to admit that ROCK music was created by "WHITE" people? Though the similarities between the titles of such genre's can be misleading, with both "rock-n-roll" and "rock" (heavy metal, hard rock, alternative etc.) containing the words "rock", their are MANY distinguishing aspects of these music types, they are two completely different types of music. I will admit to you that, maybe "rock-n-roll" was created by a "BLACK" man, but that type of music shares little to no similarities with the way ROCK is today. It's just like saying that "WHITE" people, by creating the MAFIA, were also the creators of CRIP's and BLOOD's. Do you agree that "WHITE" people created CRIP's and BLOOD's? If you say no, that is a very large contradiction on your part, because the situation is almost identical to that of who created ROCK music.

already dead. · Aug 26, 2003

stressfacta said:

You a fuckin nerd. Late.

Ender · Aug 27, 2003

So I was watchin this Jackie Chan special today, I think it was on HBO or Showtime. Anyways there's this part in the special where Jackie is fightin in this museum with all these old school blah blah dynasty vases. And as he's whoopin the bad guys asses he's tryin to save these vases from being smashed. When the bad guys see this they start using it to their advantage to score some hits off a Jackie. Of course he ends up beatin the shit out these fools anyway but he couldn't save all the vases. One of them got shot up at the end.

So as I was readin this thread I was thinkin about this Jackie Chan special. And I know that Jackie is down for his culture and he believes in preserving it to the fullest. But then I started thinkin, shit, Jackie Chan IS a big influence on the chinese culture and he shapes it just as much as he tries to preserve it.

In order for there to be a culture in the first place it took a single idea from a single individual. In order for that culture to remain, it takes only a single individual to remember it.

Ideas stay as long as they are believed to be useful, even the the bad ideas. When we forget all the good ones and make a culture based on all the bad ones well... then we're in for a bigass mothafuckin world of hurt.

At the end of the special Jackie Chan says somethin to the effect of, " Now you take what I show you and you make it better. You don't want to be exactly like Jackie. That how you find your expression and creativity and how things keep gettin more pretty."

Jackie Chan believes in honor, respect, and righteousness, he just expresses them in a Chinese manner with a Jackie Chan fashion.

What did this have to do with "wiggers"......

think about it.

Do good. Nothin else matters.

MADIDIOT530 · Aug 27, 2003

Re: Re: DEgREES OF WIggA-ISM

Nitro the Guru said:

WHATS UP, I'M NEW TO THIS FORUM FROM THE EAST CO. CO. FORUM, I AM WHITE, AND I AGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT RIGHT HERE!!!!! YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE SOMEONE FOR WHERE THEY WERE BORN, OR HOW THEY DRESS, ITS CALLED PASSING JUDGEMENT, SURE THERE ARE SOME WHITEBOYS THAT "OVER-DO IT" WITH HOW THEY DRESS, BUT WHO IS TO SAY THAT WHITE PEOPLE, OR BLACK PEOPLE, OR ANY PERSON HAS TO FOLLOW A GUIDELINE ON THE WAY THEY DRESS. IF SOMEONE IS WEARIN SOMETHING YOU DISLIKE AND YOU TAKE IT PERSONEL THEN I THINK THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO CHECK THEMSELVES RATHER THAN THE PERSON THEY ARE CRITICIZING.

Tenkamenin · Aug 30, 2003

Your mafia example doesn't work. The Rock N Roll music has evolved that is why it is different from now. The equipment, and instruments have gotten better thus producing a different sound and style. However if you trace back the roots of the music it all goes back to the founding fathers. The samething you could say about a lot of different music genres.

The Bloods and Crips roots is not of the mafia

Of course you have to look back in African American history to understand why some feel this way. A lot of things African diasporans have done in the past have been stolen or gone uncredited.

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