DEgREES OF WIggA-ISM
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Jews became oppressors in the US by becoming white. Read Baldwin's essay "Negroes Are Anti-Semetic Because They're Anti-White" published in The Price Of The Ticket. Your assertions are correct concerning hatred of Jews, which makes their decision to become white even more tragic and costly.
The image was created as white supremacy was imagined and created. The issue of complicity is "secondary...Refusing to contribute to the commercialization of one's culture becomes a peripheral concern when unemployment looms" (Trask 1999:145).
See the above remark about the so-called complicity of the oppressed in their own oppression.
Agreed 100%!
1. I've observed much more white exposure and reaction to hip hop than on the Siccness....heh.
2. In that case (your point above), whose views do the Siccness posts represent? Seriously.
I'm not yet convinced, unless "everyday white people" are staggeringly ignorant...
White supremacy is present in every American social and political institution. Just because the KKK no longer holds as many marches and just because spectacle lynchings no longer draw crowds arriving on trains from miles away doesn't mean that it no longer pervades society.
Black writers have been observing for many, many years that blacks know more about whites than whites ever have known about blacks.
Jews became oppressors in the US by becoming white. Read Baldwin's essay "Negroes Are Anti-Semetic Because They're Anti-White" published in The Price Of The Ticket. Your assertions are correct concerning hatred of Jews, which makes their decision to become white even more tragic and costly.
The image was created as white supremacy was imagined and created. The issue of complicity is "secondary...Refusing to contribute to the commercialization of one's culture becomes a peripheral concern when unemployment looms" (Trask 1999:145).
See the above remark about the so-called complicity of the oppressed in their own oppression.
Agreed 100%!
1. I've observed much more white exposure and reaction to hip hop than on the Siccness....heh.
2. In that case (your point above), whose views do the Siccness posts represent? Seriously.
I'm not yet convinced, unless "everyday white people" are staggeringly ignorant...
White supremacy is present in every American social and political institution. Just because the KKK no longer holds as many marches and just because spectacle lynchings no longer draw crowds arriving on trains from miles away doesn't mean that it no longer pervades society.
Black writers have been observing for many, many years that blacks know more about whites than whites ever have known about blacks.
LOL @ EDJ... READY! OHHHHHH-KAY!
No, it's still the same, just no one really does it.
Can you answer these quesitons (for my knowledge).
1.) If a "WHITE" man is writing the lyrics, playing the instruments, and producing the music through this "BLACK" man that "invented" rock-n-roll, was it a "WHITE" or "BLACK" man that invented rock-n-roll?
2.) Can you list any specific names of those who are responsible for the creation of rock-n-roll music?
3.) Have you ever heard of Sam Phillips?
And the roots of Heavy Metal are not Rock'N'Roll.
Right! Now, heres where the tricky part comes in.
You have African Americans doing things like this (shutting the door) because of the way history has unraveled itself. Now, I for one, am not going to tell you they are wrong as human beings for this. It's human instinct, when you have a posession taken from you, you hold your future posessions that much more near and dear. However African Americans are terribly wrong by asking for something that they are quick to deny others of.
You want equal opportunity, but your not willing to provide an equal opportunity.
You want racism to die, yet you hold on to it.
You want, but you won't give.
Once you get what you want, you want more, yet are still unwilling to give.
African Americans fought for YEARS to be accepted into the sporting world, not only have they succeeded, but now they dominate large parts of it. Now you're talking about exploitation, and that African Americans should be running things? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK! No one forced ANY African American into exploitation, if anything, they are exploiting themselves.
How do you expect the African American race to advance with this mentality? If you keep things this way forever, you might as well stop fighting, because things will NEVER change. This extremely obvious and important to me, yet you guys can't (won't) see the light of day. I really wish you would understand what im telling you, IT IS EXTREMELY VITAL. If I were to list the problems and setbacks (that I see) within the African American community, this would be NUMBER 1, far above anything else. Everyhting branches off...
You want racism deminished, yet you REALLY do have African Americans walking around thinking they are better then everyone else, especially those in the spotlight (entertainment business). Is this not a form of Black Supremacy?
It doesn't stop there...
No, it's still the same, just no one really does it.
Can you answer these quesitons (for my knowledge).
1.) If a "WHITE" man is writing the lyrics, playing the instruments, and producing the music through this "BLACK" man that "invented" rock-n-roll, was it a "WHITE" or "BLACK" man that invented rock-n-roll?
2.) Can you list any specific names of those who are responsible for the creation of rock-n-roll music?
3.) Have you ever heard of Sam Phillips?
And the roots of Heavy Metal are not Rock'N'Roll.
Right! Now, heres where the tricky part comes in.
You have African Americans doing things like this (shutting the door) because of the way history has unraveled itself. Now, I for one, am not going to tell you they are wrong as human beings for this. It's human instinct, when you have a posession taken from you, you hold your future posessions that much more near and dear. However African Americans are terribly wrong by asking for something that they are quick to deny others of.
You want equal opportunity, but your not willing to provide an equal opportunity.
You want racism to die, yet you hold on to it.
You want, but you won't give.
Once you get what you want, you want more, yet are still unwilling to give.
African Americans fought for YEARS to be accepted into the sporting world, not only have they succeeded, but now they dominate large parts of it. Now you're talking about exploitation, and that African Americans should be running things? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK! No one forced ANY African American into exploitation, if anything, they are exploiting themselves.
How do you expect the African American race to advance with this mentality? If you keep things this way forever, you might as well stop fighting, because things will NEVER change. This extremely obvious and important to me, yet you guys can't (won't) see the light of day. I really wish you would understand what im telling you, IT IS EXTREMELY VITAL. If I were to list the problems and setbacks (that I see) within the African American community, this would be NUMBER 1, far above anything else. Everyhting branches off...
You want racism deminished, yet you REALLY do have African Americans walking around thinking they are better then everyone else, especially those in the spotlight (entertainment business). Is this not a form of Black Supremacy?
It doesn't stop there...
You previously told me, in regards to what SOLO and I discussed about only opressors really being "WHITE", that you "have been saying that all along". Then you say things such as "white mans world", which basically goes against everything discussed in that part of our arguement. Just goes to show that you would say anything to benefit your arguement in any given post.
Supremacy is Supremacy no matter when, where, or why it exists. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, well then...
Supremacy is Supremacy no matter when, where, or why it exists. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, well then...
Solo I was just wondering if it would be possible for you to clarify a few things you stated. I'm not trying to undermine you i would just like to know what you meant by these statements...
posted by SOLO
White supremacy is present in every American social and political institution. Just because the KKK no longer holds as many marches and just because spectacle lynchings no longer draw crowds arriving on trains from miles away doesn't mean that it no longer pervades society.
Could I maybe get a couple of examples?
posted by SOLO
Jews became oppressors in the US by becoming white. Read Baldwin's essay "Negroes Are Anti-Semetic Because They're Anti-White" published in The Price Of The Ticket. Your assertions are correct concerning hatred of Jews, which makes their decision to become white even more tragic and costly.
If you could clarify this, most importantly the part about the Jews decision to become white. I dont understand what you are saying.
posted by SOLO
The image was created as white supremacy was imagined and created. The issue of complicity is "secondary...Refusing to contribute to the commercialization of one's culture becomes a peripheral concern when unemployment looms" (Trask 1999:145).
Maybe put this into your own words. Anyone could answer these it doesn't just have to be SOLO. Explaining though examples would be most helpful. I'll admit that I dont Know a whole lot about the "black condition," because I grew up in a small town that was predominatley white.
posted by SOLO
White supremacy is present in every American social and political institution. Just because the KKK no longer holds as many marches and just because spectacle lynchings no longer draw crowds arriving on trains from miles away doesn't mean that it no longer pervades society.
Could I maybe get a couple of examples?
posted by SOLO
Jews became oppressors in the US by becoming white. Read Baldwin's essay "Negroes Are Anti-Semetic Because They're Anti-White" published in The Price Of The Ticket. Your assertions are correct concerning hatred of Jews, which makes their decision to become white even more tragic and costly.
If you could clarify this, most importantly the part about the Jews decision to become white. I dont understand what you are saying.
posted by SOLO
The image was created as white supremacy was imagined and created. The issue of complicity is "secondary...Refusing to contribute to the commercialization of one's culture becomes a peripheral concern when unemployment looms" (Trask 1999:145).
Maybe put this into your own words. Anyone could answer these it doesn't just have to be SOLO. Explaining though examples would be most helpful. I'll admit that I dont Know a whole lot about the "black condition," because I grew up in a small town that was predominatley white.
OK.
Negative stereotyping of blacks and Latinos as criminals. School segregation. Racial disparities in health care despite socioeconomic status. The conservative backlash against civil rights. "Colorblindness" as the "solution" to eliminating racism. Selective enforcement of laws such as the STEP act in California that are applied exclusively to those who fit a certain racial description.
Jewish immigrants were not "white" before they came to America. No one was white before he/she came to America. Jews became white by endorsing white supremacy over blacks. If you're truly interested in this subject you should read James Baldwin's writing--specifically, the essay named above, plus two of his essays in the compilation "Black on White" by David Roediger. Baldwin's The Price Of The Ticket should be in your local library. These will flesh out the whole idea completely.
The quote was brought up in the context of blacks portraying negative roles. The accusation was that blacks were as much to blame for their own oppression because they acted negatively to begin with. The quote means that you cannot blame the oppressed for buying into the power relations of the status quo, because usually they face the choice of (1) buying into their own oppression in order to survive in oppressive society ("the commercialization of one's culture") or (2) starving to death ("unemployment looms"). To put it simply...is it fair to place the entire blame on "gangsta rappers" for assuming negative roles, when the only rappers supported by the mass media are those who fit those roles? You don't see Dead Prez or The Coup on MTV or acting in blockbuster teen flick movies...
I would suggest moving...but if you can't immediately do that, read work by Malcolm X, James Baldwin, Cornel West, Toni Morrison, and many many more. And learn about whiteness...
Negative stereotyping of blacks and Latinos as criminals. School segregation. Racial disparities in health care despite socioeconomic status. The conservative backlash against civil rights. "Colorblindness" as the "solution" to eliminating racism. Selective enforcement of laws such as the STEP act in California that are applied exclusively to those who fit a certain racial description.
Jewish immigrants were not "white" before they came to America. No one was white before he/she came to America. Jews became white by endorsing white supremacy over blacks. If you're truly interested in this subject you should read James Baldwin's writing--specifically, the essay named above, plus two of his essays in the compilation "Black on White" by David Roediger. Baldwin's The Price Of The Ticket should be in your local library. These will flesh out the whole idea completely.
The quote was brought up in the context of blacks portraying negative roles. The accusation was that blacks were as much to blame for their own oppression because they acted negatively to begin with. The quote means that you cannot blame the oppressed for buying into the power relations of the status quo, because usually they face the choice of (1) buying into their own oppression in order to survive in oppressive society ("the commercialization of one's culture") or (2) starving to death ("unemployment looms"). To put it simply...is it fair to place the entire blame on "gangsta rappers" for assuming negative roles, when the only rappers supported by the mass media are those who fit those roles? You don't see Dead Prez or The Coup on MTV or acting in blockbuster teen flick movies...
I would suggest moving...but if you can't immediately do that, read work by Malcolm X, James Baldwin, Cornel West, Toni Morrison, and many many more. And learn about whiteness...
Hey, don't drag my name into this. As far as I'm concerned, I agree with EDJ's comment about the spurious notion of "reverse racism" (or as you put it, "black supremacy")...
Come on man. This condescending stuff has got to go...... you're not trying to win an election on the Siccness, so enough with the sillyness.
There is no such thing as "black supremacy." NONE!
Come on man. This condescending stuff has got to go...... you're not trying to win an election on the Siccness, so enough with the sillyness.
There is no such thing as "black supremacy." NONE!
Hmmm now that you laid it out like that, i see where you are comming from. I agree that there exists a white supremacist mindset amongst the general american population. If you would just answer a couple more questions. You said that Jews did not become "white" until they began endorsing white supremacist beliefs. So just to help me understand when you say white you are refering to a mindset, a general belief and not to actual skin color? By this i mean that for example a japanese person could become "white" if he adopted a belief that blacks were criminal and he should drive through a black neighborhood with his windows up... If this is what you are implying i would say that i agree with you. And the Trask quote you paraphrased i think i now understand. That an image of blacks has been created an image of the "black gangsta rapper." So tell me if i am understanding this correctly, Blacks under different circumstances would not feel the need to act "gangsta" in order for financial gain if "whites" did not embrace a belief that blacks are gangstas. That is actually quite profound. I am begining to understand how earlier in this thread EDJ said something to the effect of he didn't like the fact that white americans were listening to a nubian art form with out an understanding of the black situation. When i first heard that i dismissed that as an ignorant comment. Now i see that there is some truth to that. I admit that i was somewhat guilty of seeing blacks at fault for "acting gangsta" This is an intriguing concept. What is the name of a Malcolm X book that would be a good read or did he write only one? Unfortunately EDJ this "wigga" will continue to listen to hip hop, because i enjoy it. However now i really wish i didn't lose my Dead Prez Lets get free cd, i only really purchased it for the song Hip hop because it was a thumpin beat on the subs, now i wish i had paid attention to the lyrics a little more as i had previously dismissed them because i thought they were racist towards white people....its funny the things you learn while not in school..........SOLO are you um, how do i put this eloquently, black. (I dont really agree with the term african american, because a white person from south africa could come to america, and would he not himself be technically be considered african american...lol, don't reply to that i am being a smart ass)
You are getting it. Earlier in this thread I described how whiteness is nothing but an ideology of supremacy. It has nothing to do with a skin color, culture, religion, language, etc. Being "white" has always and ONLY been about being "better than black."
I don't agree with your phrasing, but let's put it this way. If the major (white owned and controlled) entertainment media outlets were more supportive of OTHER forms of black masculinity BESIDES the degraded black gangster/player/pimp, then you would see those other forms proliferate. Right now the major outlets seem to have limited their support, at least in rap, to blacks in the images of 50 Cent, Ja Rule, Puffy, etc.
The Autobiography of Malcolm X, by Malcolm X and Alex Haley. My curiosity has also been piqued by a book (?) called Malcolm X Speaks, but I don't have any information on it.
I don't think EDJ created this thread to discourage so-called "wiggas" from listening to hip hop. It was more of a challenge. Like I said in my first post to this thread, you have to figure out which camp you fall into....
The lyrics on that CD are AMAZING. Every song. Racist toward white people? No such thing..... if you really don't understand that, though, buy the CD, listen to all the lyrics, and step back and imagine things from their perspective for a minute...read some Malcolm X and soak some...
If schools had their way the only thing you would associate with the word "black" would be the word "slave."
Read Baldwin, Malcolm, hooks, Morrison, West, Trask, Fanon, and everything else the schools kept out of your hands...
I don't agree with your phrasing, but let's put it this way. If the major (white owned and controlled) entertainment media outlets were more supportive of OTHER forms of black masculinity BESIDES the degraded black gangster/player/pimp, then you would see those other forms proliferate. Right now the major outlets seem to have limited their support, at least in rap, to blacks in the images of 50 Cent, Ja Rule, Puffy, etc.
The Autobiography of Malcolm X, by Malcolm X and Alex Haley. My curiosity has also been piqued by a book (?) called Malcolm X Speaks, but I don't have any information on it.
I don't think EDJ created this thread to discourage so-called "wiggas" from listening to hip hop. It was more of a challenge. Like I said in my first post to this thread, you have to figure out which camp you fall into....
The lyrics on that CD are AMAZING. Every song. Racist toward white people? No such thing..... if you really don't understand that, though, buy the CD, listen to all the lyrics, and step back and imagine things from their perspective for a minute...read some Malcolm X and soak some...
If schools had their way the only thing you would associate with the word "black" would be the word "slave."
Read Baldwin, Malcolm, hooks, Morrison, West, Trask, Fanon, and everything else the schools kept out of your hands...
I don't agree with your phrasing, but let's put it this way. If the major (white owned and controlled) entertainment media outlets were more supportive of OTHER forms of black masculinity BESIDES the degraded black gangster/player/pimp, then you would see those other forms proliferate. Right now the major outlets seem to have limited their support, at least in rap, to blacks in the images of 50 Cent, Ja Rule, Puffy, etc.
thats what i was trying to say but i couldn't get it right in my head. You also mentioned that Colorblindness would never be a suitable way to end racism, i am begining to agree with you. But what you think IS a suitable alternative to "end" racism. if there is one
thats what i was trying to say but i couldn't get it right in my head. You also mentioned that Colorblindness would never be a suitable way to end racism, i am begining to agree with you. But what you think IS a suitable alternative to "end" racism. if there is one
There are WHITE racists in high places in this country. I do not believe that there is anything given (opportunity) to people of pale colored skin, that is not given to people of every nationality including minorities, with the exception of illegal citizenship.
You were not the principle of my reference to your name, rather the content of the matter discussed between the two of us.
My reply to you concerning the 'generalization of the "WHITE" race' has remained unanswered. This could be due to many reasons, from friends on this board telling you to ignore me, you thinking we have reached a dead end, or full admission that everything I said is TRUE. I think you can guess what im going to assume (ALL THREE).
I agree, and I can assure you childish remarks made like the one you quoted would not be present if we didn't have people doing the same by replying in the manner he did. Its people like that who aid poor knowledge and learning by agreeing with someone simply just to agree and strengthin the side.
There is no such thing as a "BLACK" man thinking he is better then a "WHITE" man? I have seen it FIRST HAND in real life (work & school) and on television, specifically the sporting world. Bonsi Wells made derogatory remarks and spat upon people of "WHITE" skin during a basketball game. According to you, that never happened, I suppose.
Are you saying that there are no African Americans in this country who are racist towards a WHITE man? Your arguement may be that, only a "WHITE" man (as previosly discussed) can be a racist, and any other human with pale skin is not "WHITE", therefore deminishing the possibility of one hating a person of pale skin who is not "WHITE". However, the person who upholds his racist beleifs (in this case the African American) towards that other person will not distinguish the content of his character, rather the color of his skin. So if you take this racist African American, you will find that he will hate a person with "white" skin, without knowledge of whether he is truely "WHITE", or just a human with pale skin. Refer to the Bonsi Wells statement... better yet.. "Bonsi Wells made derogatory remarks and spit upon people of "WHITE" skin during a basketball game. According to you, that never happened I suppose."
I disagree. What difference would it make if these "WHITE" owned labels supported other genres of music aside from gangsta rap, if there wasn't a population that was willing to support it. I look at it like, these record label owners support the artists that are willing to make music that the public wants to hear. If you want a change in this aspect of the music business, you must start with the consumer. I can gaurantee you, that if you had thousands of consumers looking for a specific music type, other then RAP music, that these "WHITE" record labels would as well follow and support it. They are a business that exists to make money, they support and provide what people want to hear and buy.
You were not the principle of my reference to your name, rather the content of the matter discussed between the two of us.
My reply to you concerning the 'generalization of the "WHITE" race' has remained unanswered. This could be due to many reasons, from friends on this board telling you to ignore me, you thinking we have reached a dead end, or full admission that everything I said is TRUE. I think you can guess what im going to assume (ALL THREE).
I agree, and I can assure you childish remarks made like the one you quoted would not be present if we didn't have people doing the same by replying in the manner he did. Its people like that who aid poor knowledge and learning by agreeing with someone simply just to agree and strengthin the side.
There is no such thing as a "BLACK" man thinking he is better then a "WHITE" man? I have seen it FIRST HAND in real life (work & school) and on television, specifically the sporting world. Bonsi Wells made derogatory remarks and spat upon people of "WHITE" skin during a basketball game. According to you, that never happened, I suppose.
Are you saying that there are no African Americans in this country who are racist towards a WHITE man? Your arguement may be that, only a "WHITE" man (as previosly discussed) can be a racist, and any other human with pale skin is not "WHITE", therefore deminishing the possibility of one hating a person of pale skin who is not "WHITE". However, the person who upholds his racist beleifs (in this case the African American) towards that other person will not distinguish the content of his character, rather the color of his skin. So if you take this racist African American, you will find that he will hate a person with "white" skin, without knowledge of whether he is truely "WHITE", or just a human with pale skin. Refer to the Bonsi Wells statement... better yet.. "Bonsi Wells made derogatory remarks and spit upon people of "WHITE" skin during a basketball game. According to you, that never happened I suppose."
I disagree. What difference would it make if these "WHITE" owned labels supported other genres of music aside from gangsta rap, if there wasn't a population that was willing to support it. I look at it like, these record label owners support the artists that are willing to make music that the public wants to hear. If you want a change in this aspect of the music business, you must start with the consumer. I can gaurantee you, that if you had thousands of consumers looking for a specific music type, other then RAP music, that these "WHITE" record labels would as well follow and support it. They are a business that exists to make money, they support and provide what people want to hear and buy.
^JUST REMEMBER THAT THE TABLE AIN'T EVEN. BLAK PEOPLE HAVE THE PERCEPTION OF SOCIETY AgAINST US. WE HAVE A FUCCED OFF INFRASTRUCTURE, AND NO POWER AS FAR AS POLITICS AND SOCIO-ECONOMICS gO IN OUR COMMUNITIES. SO IF I'M RACIST WHAT AFFECT THAT DOES HAVE? NONE. I'M JUST A BITTER BLAK MAN THAT DOESN'T SOCIALLY ACCEPT WHITE PEOPLE ON MY LEVEL CAUSE IT'S A REACTION OF THE WHITEMAN'S RACISM THRU-OUT THE YEARS, AND THE WORLD KEEPS ON SPINNIN' CAUSE MY OPINION DOESN'T MEAN SHIT. IF YOU A CLOSET RACIST WHAT AFFECT DOES THAT HAVE? YOU MOST LIKELY gET SUPPORT FROM OTHAS THAT THINK LIKEWISE AND BLUE BALL ME OUT THE INDUSTRY. HISTORY HAS PROVEN THIS AND IS ON YOUR SIDE. SINCE YOUR RACE HAS POWER AND CLOUT, YOU CAN DO DAMAgE. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. IF IT AIN'T THEN WHY IS AFFIRMATIVE ACTION NEEDED? THIS IS A WHITE MANS WORLD.
It has alot more than you think E. Had the black focus shifted from white racism to personal empowerment, black people would be in a much better place today. The average black person elects to "challenge" or "attack" the white man, and constantly bring up the racial chasm and the situation of the black man instead of doing what needs to be done, investing in education and upward mobility. You have explained the "black economic" situation before, the expenditure of the black dollar, etc. This isn't news to you. The average African immigrant arrives in American poorer the average black man, and faces the same discrimination, however within one or two generations is economically ahead of the average American black man. Studies among black immigrant groups from the Caribbean and the African continent show a much higher rate of ecnomic success among black people *not* born in America.
However, will your nonacceptance mentality in the end win anything? Believe it or not, your mentality has an effect. You being a well spoken person, you have the power to influence those around you at the least, and who in the end is going to win more battles for the African-American, the man who stays bitter and racist, or the man who makes strides to connect with those in a higher socioeconomic bracket, white people or not? It's like the gay pride parades. Which do you think has a more positive impact on our perception of gay people? Walkin around naked, with assflaps hangin out, jackin off their homeboys in the streets, or moving in next door or being a coworker that doesn't flaunt it at an excessive level, just gets to know folks and establishes relationships with non-gay people? Which would have a more positive effect?
And you can say, the Gay thing and the Black situation are completely different, and in ways they are. However, gay people aren't going away, the black situation isn't going away, and for some people, the reality of the ghetto, white guilt, etc., is shocking, and something they don't want to deal with. However, by identifying as a disenchanted, disenfranchised slave, someone who will never deal with or befriend white people, you are really losing power, and putting yourself at a disadvantage. Who is gonna get more money on a street corner, the bum who says "Look at me, I'm a hobo, I sleep in shit.", or the bum who says "Look at me, I don't want to be homeless forever, help me out so I can shower and shave, and get a job interview."
Yes, people don't trust bums, but if it was an ideal world, and people believed what the bums were saying, who would get more money?
How so? I am Mexican and White, and was never taught Spanish or my roots or culture, because my mother came from a Brady Bunch mexican family that didn't teach their children Spanish or anything in hopes of their children not being exposed to racism, and I don't regret my upbringing one bit. I wish my mother could have taught me, but honestly she didn't know. I identify "white", and there is pride and culture in white people. On my father's side, he can trace his line all the way back to the Vikings and immigration to America. I could tell you stores of my ancestors on both sides white and mex. Your conjuration of this nameless, faceless white demon that has no intrinsic properties other than racism lacks both purpose and relevance.
And if whiteness is only defined by racism, then what is "blackness"? Incarceration and hip-hop? Gang membership and children without fathers? What is Brownness?
papusas and ranchero? You can't honestly believe this. I know the social climate of Los Angeles activism and education, so I understand how your influences and views are shaped, but you're pushing a self-defeating premise. The only white people who would accept this are either weak or stupid and intimidated by your verbage.
Very true. However, in the cycle of self-exploitation, how many black men and women are and become "that nigga" spoken about in hip-hop and movies. How many black men actually do try to fuck as many women as possible and abandon their children? How many black women actually do exploit government services and systems, steal from retail stores, etc.? This is the part you're glossing over. In the religion of pushing the black beast to the white devil, how many followers actually become shamans? And how do we reconcile this? Is white supremacy an all-encompassing, all-powerful force that forces mexicans in east LA to join gangs, forces black fathers to abandon their children, and forces black women to have a self-defeating entitlement mentality? Are all minority races little children, completely unaware of the negative effects their actions have on the world around them, and completely blind to their own responsibility?
How often is that complicity relevant to everyday minority life though? When a mother spends 500 dollars on "fits" that she could have put in a mutual fund, securities, or save up towards moving to a better neighborhood, is black media exploitation to blame?
Doesn't sound like it. You also don't strike me as the type to spend time in conversation with non hip-hop listening white people. Your "white is yucky" mentality both alienates white people, and creates a mental feeling of superiority. As much as you're going to deny this, I really doubt that you go out of your way to get white views on anything.
Also, you live in LA, where white people only give a shit about Britney Spears, fashion, plastic surgery, etc. You haven't gotten a very good exposure. And the politically motivated climate in LA tends to have a very nonsensical "Kill Whitey" orientation.
Some wiggers, some people merely interested in hip-hop, some actual gang members, down folks, etc, some death metal mothafuckas, all of these I have seen represented in the Siccness.
I don't even listen to that much rap, you couldn't call me a wigger by any account. I'll be damned if you catch me in a shirt that means "For Us By Us", or wearing a skullcap.
*I said the average wigger is likely to be more knowledgeable than the average white person*
Some are. You're ignorant of white people, but I don't hold that against your entire race. Though *some* wiggers hold white supremacist views as you call them, a wigger is 1. more likely to be interested in what a black person has to say, 2. more likely to talk to black people if given the chance. However, all of this coming from you is somewhat comical, given that your thesis statement is based on ignorance and racism.
Last I remember, there hasn't been a spectacle lynching in a while. Yes, we know of James Earl Ray and the others who were killed in recent racially motivated incidents (more often than not Jews), however once again you are conjuring the white bogeyman with no proof or basis, just a premise that all white people are racist.
I'd like to see some sort of proof of this. basically anything negative someone says about white people you agree with/believe. You, who claims to be well versed on white people and understanding of the white mentality while telling white people to move out of white neighborhoods...something doesn't click. You are the type who either avoids white people or doesn't give an ear to what they have to say, and even if you do, discount it. Your mind is full of self-defeating logic.
And if whiteness is only defined by racism, then what is "blackness"? Incarceration and hip-hop? Gang membership and children without fathers? What is Brownness?
papusas and ranchero? You can't honestly believe this. I know the social climate of Los Angeles activism and education, so I understand how your influences and views are shaped, but you're pushing a self-defeating premise. The only white people who would accept this are either weak or stupid and intimidated by your verbage.
Very true. However, in the cycle of self-exploitation, how many black men and women are and become "that nigga" spoken about in hip-hop and movies. How many black men actually do try to fuck as many women as possible and abandon their children? How many black women actually do exploit government services and systems, steal from retail stores, etc.? This is the part you're glossing over. In the religion of pushing the black beast to the white devil, how many followers actually become shamans? And how do we reconcile this? Is white supremacy an all-encompassing, all-powerful force that forces mexicans in east LA to join gangs, forces black fathers to abandon their children, and forces black women to have a self-defeating entitlement mentality? Are all minority races little children, completely unaware of the negative effects their actions have on the world around them, and completely blind to their own responsibility?
How often is that complicity relevant to everyday minority life though? When a mother spends 500 dollars on "fits" that she could have put in a mutual fund, securities, or save up towards moving to a better neighborhood, is black media exploitation to blame?
Doesn't sound like it. You also don't strike me as the type to spend time in conversation with non hip-hop listening white people. Your "white is yucky" mentality both alienates white people, and creates a mental feeling of superiority. As much as you're going to deny this, I really doubt that you go out of your way to get white views on anything.
Also, you live in LA, where white people only give a shit about Britney Spears, fashion, plastic surgery, etc. You haven't gotten a very good exposure. And the politically motivated climate in LA tends to have a very nonsensical "Kill Whitey" orientation.
Some wiggers, some people merely interested in hip-hop, some actual gang members, down folks, etc, some death metal mothafuckas, all of these I have seen represented in the Siccness.
I don't even listen to that much rap, you couldn't call me a wigger by any account. I'll be damned if you catch me in a shirt that means "For Us By Us", or wearing a skullcap.
*I said the average wigger is likely to be more knowledgeable than the average white person*
Some are. You're ignorant of white people, but I don't hold that against your entire race. Though *some* wiggers hold white supremacist views as you call them, a wigger is 1. more likely to be interested in what a black person has to say, 2. more likely to talk to black people if given the chance. However, all of this coming from you is somewhat comical, given that your thesis statement is based on ignorance and racism.
Last I remember, there hasn't been a spectacle lynching in a while. Yes, we know of James Earl Ray and the others who were killed in recent racially motivated incidents (more often than not Jews), however once again you are conjuring the white bogeyman with no proof or basis, just a premise that all white people are racist.
I'd like to see some sort of proof of this. basically anything negative someone says about white people you agree with/believe. You, who claims to be well versed on white people and understanding of the white mentality while telling white people to move out of white neighborhoods...something doesn't click. You are the type who either avoids white people or doesn't give an ear to what they have to say, and even if you do, discount it. Your mind is full of self-defeating logic.