de la hoya vs Pacquiao, Dec. 6th [official]
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George Foreman was a big dope too. He was hella wrong about shit.
Personally I liked Roy Jones, even though he seemed a bit uncomfortable. I'd like to see Bernard Hopkins being that guy after he retires, he's a good speaker and can drop a shit load of knowledge. Shannon Briggs believe it or not is pretty good as well, he does the ESPN show from time to time when Teddy Atlas is gone.
Personally I liked Roy Jones, even though he seemed a bit uncomfortable. I'd like to see Bernard Hopkins being that guy after he retires, he's a good speaker and can drop a shit load of knowledge. Shannon Briggs believe it or not is pretty good as well, he does the ESPN show from time to time when Teddy Atlas is gone.
Roach: "If De La Hoya is Overweight, Pacquiao Bout is Off!
By Mark Vester
Freddie Roach, trainer of Manny Pacquiao, is not going to take a chance with Oscar De La Hoya being overweight on the day of the weigh-in. He says that if De La Hoya comes in overweight the fight will be off because he won't let Pacquiao get in the ring. The fight takes place on December 6 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Pacquiao, the WBC lightweight champion, will move up by two weight divisions to the agreed upon fight weight of 147.
De La Hoya has not made 147 since 2001. There is a clause in the fight contract that would cost De La Hoya a lot of money for not being able to make weight for the fight, $3 million dollars for every pound above 147. A fraction of a pound above the weight would still be counted as a full pound.
Roach says that De La Hoya got away with being overweight for his May bout with Steve Forbes, which took place at 150, but he won't let him get off the hook with Pacquiao. He wants De La Hoya to work as much as possible to make 147 on the day of the weigh-in.
"If De La Hoya comes in at 150, I’ll say ‘No fight’," Roach told boxing writer Ron Borges. "I wouldn’t put it past him to try something like buying his way to 150 but three pounds over is a huge difference."
"When he (De La Hoya) fought (Steve) Forbes (last May), he was supposed to make 150 and he came in at 151 and they gave it to him. I am not doing that. A contract is a contract. The contract weight is 147. Make it. I want him to work as much as possible
By Mark Vester
Freddie Roach, trainer of Manny Pacquiao, is not going to take a chance with Oscar De La Hoya being overweight on the day of the weigh-in. He says that if De La Hoya comes in overweight the fight will be off because he won't let Pacquiao get in the ring. The fight takes place on December 6 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Pacquiao, the WBC lightweight champion, will move up by two weight divisions to the agreed upon fight weight of 147.
De La Hoya has not made 147 since 2001. There is a clause in the fight contract that would cost De La Hoya a lot of money for not being able to make weight for the fight, $3 million dollars for every pound above 147. A fraction of a pound above the weight would still be counted as a full pound.
Roach says that De La Hoya got away with being overweight for his May bout with Steve Forbes, which took place at 150, but he won't let him get off the hook with Pacquiao. He wants De La Hoya to work as much as possible to make 147 on the day of the weigh-in.
"If De La Hoya comes in at 150, I’ll say ‘No fight’," Roach told boxing writer Ron Borges. "I wouldn’t put it past him to try something like buying his way to 150 but three pounds over is a huge difference."
"When he (De La Hoya) fought (Steve) Forbes (last May), he was supposed to make 150 and he came in at 151 and they gave it to him. I am not doing that. A contract is a contract. The contract weight is 147. Make it. I want him to work as much as possible
Oscar's decision to fight Manny Pacquiao NOW = These chump's jockstrap.
I understand you are completely in love and infatuated with Oscar, since you've done nothing but defend him, build him up, try to discredit any negative that someone has directed towards him using insults, and been on the verge of tears in regards to Oscar's ''status''...
But seriously. His career accomplishments are great. Years and years ago. Who has he beaten recently, who would be a ''huge win''...? He beat little Stevie Forbes, ok. Lost to Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Beat Ricardo Mayorga (lol). Was knocked out by Bernard Hopkins (where he cried on the canvas lol). Was given a victory against Felix Strum (boooo!). Lost to Shane Mosley...
He was a great fighter, no doubt. His resume is as impressive as you'll see. But because you want to make passionate love to him, with Julio Iglesias playing in the background, Jazmin incense slowly burning...doesn't mean you need to act as if we musn't question God De La Hoya.
Let me just say...in the fight that I would choose for Oscar...you wouldn't want to see Oscar's face after Margarito was done with him.
I understand you are completely in love and infatuated with Oscar, since you've done nothing but defend him, build him up, try to discredit any negative that someone has directed towards him using insults, and been on the verge of tears in regards to Oscar's ''status''...
But seriously. His career accomplishments are great. Years and years ago. Who has he beaten recently, who would be a ''huge win''...? He beat little Stevie Forbes, ok. Lost to Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Beat Ricardo Mayorga (lol). Was knocked out by Bernard Hopkins (where he cried on the canvas lol). Was given a victory against Felix Strum (boooo!). Lost to Shane Mosley...
He was a great fighter, no doubt. His resume is as impressive as you'll see. But because you want to make passionate love to him, with Julio Iglesias playing in the background, Jazmin incense slowly burning...doesn't mean you need to act as if we musn't question God De La Hoya.
Let me just say...in the fight that I would choose for Oscar...you wouldn't want to see Oscar's face after Margarito was done with him.
lol at on the verge of tears. Also lol at you dickriding margaraito now that he beat cotto, but as soon as he loses his next fight youll be jumping on the next guys nuts that wants to face DLH. Why you so mad oscar didnt fight maragrito? Nothing in it for him money nor recogniton. Do you know how much margaritos have stepped up to DLH. DLH is the guy every mexican born fighter has been trying to come at sideways since he destroyed that drunk Chavez. ALso as small as pacman is he is still the best p4p fighter in boxing right now. Add that with Oscar being at the end of his career and it makes for a good fight with a big amount of money coming both boxers way. So get off DLH's nuts. You either hate the guy or you respect him.
Oh yeah FUCK YOUR BITCH ASS RAIDERS!
Oh yeah FUCK YOUR BITCH ASS RAIDERS!
I don't love Margarito...I just think that's the best fight, for a fight fan, available for Oscar. I don't give a shit about OSCAR'S best interests, I'm interested in what I WOULD LIKE. He's not my husband...you can have him. There's no recognition? No money? Are you serious? I'd say that a Margarito/De La Hoya fight would probably make almost as much as this fight...and Oscar has all the money in the world, so why not take a real fight? And if little Manny is the best p4p in the world, and so this makes it ok...where was Oscar when Roy Jones Jr. was at the top of his game, or Evander Holyfield? Lennox Lewis? Mike Tyson? Ohh...they're too big. Huh.
And since Chavez...which great Mexican fighters have been in or near Oscar's division? None. And now here's Margarito. And since you want to bring up Chavez...he gave Oscar an opportunity, a chance to fight the ''legend''...so why not return the favor to Margarito? Fear.
And I'm not ''on De La Hoya's nuts''...there's no room, since you're straddling them so hard.
ROFL @ the Raiders comment, too, from a Niners fan.
Margarito would more then likely KO Oscar. I'm quite positive on that. Margarito is a big guy, with an IRON chin (probably the best in the business), great stamina and is absolutely relentless (he often throws over 100 punches per round and over 1,000 punches per fight). Oscar would have to box from the outside and use speed and great defense to beat Margarito. I don't think he has that in him anymore. The old oscar from back in the day 147 would beat him, but not today.
Further, Oscars punches couldn't even take down stevie forbes how they gonna take down Margarito? The man doesn't get hurt he took Cotto's best shots and walked through them and cotto is viewed as a big puncher. He took Paul Williams best shots and walked through them. Same with Clottey. And same with Kermit Cintron who is viewed as the hardest puncher at 147. His chin is like a Marvin Haglers just about.
Further, Oscars punches couldn't even take down stevie forbes how they gonna take down Margarito? The man doesn't get hurt he took Cotto's best shots and walked through them and cotto is viewed as a big puncher. He took Paul Williams best shots and walked through them. Same with Clottey. And same with Kermit Cintron who is viewed as the hardest puncher at 147. His chin is like a Marvin Haglers just about.
By Vivek Wallace: Ok, here we go again. On the eve of a great showdown between Juan 'Baby Bull' Diaz and Michael Katsidis, somehow, some way, we find ourselves once again entrapped within a very 'Hollywood' type drama where a very unlikely candidate has landed an 'Oscar' on the sports biggest stage. None-the-less, it is what it is, and in today's 'Call Em Out Fridays' segment we'll do what we always do, which is breakdown, decipher and analyze every angle to see what's really going on. After we take a look at the perspective that supports this showdown, we'll analyze the one that doesn't, and after I cast my thoughts into the pond, I'm sure many of you will also bite the bait and chew on the goods til' the last drop. So now that the table is set and the blessing has been offered, the time has come....Let's eat!
Pacquiao/Dela Hoya - (The Supportive Perspective): So far in the preliminary coverage by various media sources around the globe this fight has been dubbed as everything from a celebrity match to the sports best planned 'last hurrah'. In many ways, the fight does embody some fantasy like elements as we take a fighter who started his pro career 13 years ago at the 106 lb level - only once fighting above 130 lbs - against a guy who started his career 16 years ago at 130 lbs who hasn't fought below 154 lbs since 2001. Both men are global fan faves and have cult like followings which makes this an eagerly anticipated fight. Throughout the years, these two guys have individually given us some of the best nights in the sport. In Oscar, you have a guy who once upon a time took on all comers, with a resume to prove it. Hopkins, Trinidad, Mayweather, Vargas, Mayorga, and the list goes on. In Pacquiao, you have a fighter whose spirit and sheer desire to succeed at all cost has made him easily the most exciting fighter in the sport to watch. We saw him battle a warrior in Erik Morales, lose, and come right back and make it look easy as he coasted to victory in the rematch. Then there were the showdowns with Barrera, and Marquez, and most recently against former 135 lb champion David Diaz. Many questioned whether or not he could travel north in weight and still carry his power, and that question would be answered easily as he put on a clinic, often hurting the heavier opponent, and subsequently sending him back to the shower room early as he earned himself a 9th round KO in his only fight at the higher weight class. These two men have been involved in a countless amount of classic showdowns and have earned the love and respect of fans all around the world. Despite the vastly different roads they individually traveled to reach this pinnacle, the end result would be the same as these two have now paved the way to where they are now, which is perhaps the biggest stage ever assembled in a boxing showdown. Only a year ago we saw Oscar De La Hoya break all kind of records in the sport as he faced retired pound for pound great Floyd Mayweather Jr. In the absence of Floyd, Oscar has landed himself a shot at the sports latest pound for pound king. For two fighters who have done so much for the sport, the one thing few ever thought would be possible would be a backlash of criticism, but as we stand in the eleventh hour, only months before the proposed showdown, we've learned that only a precious few seem to be interested in the fight. With so much to gain, we now take a glimpse at the echoing criticism that reminds us there could also be so much to lose in the end.
Pacquaio/De La Hoya - (The Critics Perspective): These two fighters have undoubtedly given us some of our greatest moments of the past, but the mere possibility of the two stars being on a collision course have given some fans a reason to question everything about them currently. In Oscar De La Hoya, you have a fighter who has been brave enough to face every challenger with any name recognition he could find, but the trouble is, he left the ring with a loss to most of them. Many have openly taken note of the fact that Oscar has lost to every single future hall-of-famer he has faced that was in their prime at the time of their battle. Some would argue that a in at least one of those losses he should have gotten the nod, (Trinidad), but the flipside to that argument is that in a few of his victories his opponents should have probably gotten the nod as well. The Felix Sturm fight was a great example of this, and even beyond that, many continue to believe that Ike 'Bazooka' Quartey was robbed, as well Pernell Whitaker, so that argument can be quickly nullified. In an era where so many great fighters have left their stamp on the sport by displaying dominating performances, it remains a question to most how Oscar continues to be allowed by the media to stand atop the mountain based on actions of yesterday in a sport that lives by the motto "What have you done for me lately"? In Manny Pacquiao, you have a fighter who has - in stark contrast to Oscar - actually proven his mettle against most of his opposition, yet many fans are quick to point out the fact that most of his victories came against fighters who had seen their fair share of wars, and before he could test his faith against the ones in his path who remain in their prime - (Campbell, Valero, Juan Diaz, Guzman, etc) - he has instead chosen to grab a money bag that could come with a plethora of injuries and a psyche that could be badly fractured when it's all over. Pacquiao would be willing to give up 4 inches in height and 6 inches in reach to secure this mega payday. Despite his heart and drive to succeed, it becomes very tough for some to fathom the possibility of him suffering a career setback by losing to an opponent that he probably shouldn't be facing. The possibilities are endless but one thing for sure, it'll all begin to resonate quickly if Pacquiao falls short in a fight that he probably shouldn't be taking to begin with.
Pacquiao/De La Hoya - (This Writers Perspective): At the end of the day, I think that you have to see this fight for what it really is, which is a fighter anxious to deliver an unprecedented accomplishment, against one who has run out of quality opposition that he feels he can actually deliver against. The old adage has it that a great big man defeats a great little man nearly every time, and in this case, the bigger man may indeed defeat that smaller man, but for those who see what's really going on, it's pretty telling that a victory for him still won't overshadow the bigger picture. That bigger picture is the fact that the only person in this equation that a victory would seal a legacy for would be Pacquaio. A win for Oscar would be another proverbial 'feather in the cap', but it would come against a fighter who probably had no business in the ring with him to begin with. A win for Pacquaio would be a huge story because not only would it add him to the list of future hall-of-famers in their prime that Oscar De La Hoya has failed to defeat, but it would put major emphasis on the fact that he would be the smallest, and also the one with the smallest conceivable chance coming in. Some may argue that point, but it's hard to say that anyone realistically sees Pacquiao having a better shot at defeating Oscar than Trinidad, Mayweather, Mosley, or Hopkins. Each of those men were comparable in size, and potentially better in talent. Pacquaio has so much to gain, and possibly a mental psyche to lose. Oscar has very little to gain, and everything to lose. In the end, it's all about a financial proposition, and I hope that both men can look at themselves and live with the decision when it's all said and done. Truthfully, this fight only benefits them and their pockets. It will do very little to convert that MMA fan who sees that boxing allows 'fantasy fights' as opposed to the best being forced to face the best like we see in their sport. Based on that assessment, I think it's a double edged sword. Great for the fighters, bad for the sport. Now it's time to gage what you think. Let the great debates begin.
Pacquiao/Dela Hoya - (The Supportive Perspective): So far in the preliminary coverage by various media sources around the globe this fight has been dubbed as everything from a celebrity match to the sports best planned 'last hurrah'. In many ways, the fight does embody some fantasy like elements as we take a fighter who started his pro career 13 years ago at the 106 lb level - only once fighting above 130 lbs - against a guy who started his career 16 years ago at 130 lbs who hasn't fought below 154 lbs since 2001. Both men are global fan faves and have cult like followings which makes this an eagerly anticipated fight. Throughout the years, these two guys have individually given us some of the best nights in the sport. In Oscar, you have a guy who once upon a time took on all comers, with a resume to prove it. Hopkins, Trinidad, Mayweather, Vargas, Mayorga, and the list goes on. In Pacquiao, you have a fighter whose spirit and sheer desire to succeed at all cost has made him easily the most exciting fighter in the sport to watch. We saw him battle a warrior in Erik Morales, lose, and come right back and make it look easy as he coasted to victory in the rematch. Then there were the showdowns with Barrera, and Marquez, and most recently against former 135 lb champion David Diaz. Many questioned whether or not he could travel north in weight and still carry his power, and that question would be answered easily as he put on a clinic, often hurting the heavier opponent, and subsequently sending him back to the shower room early as he earned himself a 9th round KO in his only fight at the higher weight class. These two men have been involved in a countless amount of classic showdowns and have earned the love and respect of fans all around the world. Despite the vastly different roads they individually traveled to reach this pinnacle, the end result would be the same as these two have now paved the way to where they are now, which is perhaps the biggest stage ever assembled in a boxing showdown. Only a year ago we saw Oscar De La Hoya break all kind of records in the sport as he faced retired pound for pound great Floyd Mayweather Jr. In the absence of Floyd, Oscar has landed himself a shot at the sports latest pound for pound king. For two fighters who have done so much for the sport, the one thing few ever thought would be possible would be a backlash of criticism, but as we stand in the eleventh hour, only months before the proposed showdown, we've learned that only a precious few seem to be interested in the fight. With so much to gain, we now take a glimpse at the echoing criticism that reminds us there could also be so much to lose in the end.
Pacquaio/De La Hoya - (The Critics Perspective): These two fighters have undoubtedly given us some of our greatest moments of the past, but the mere possibility of the two stars being on a collision course have given some fans a reason to question everything about them currently. In Oscar De La Hoya, you have a fighter who has been brave enough to face every challenger with any name recognition he could find, but the trouble is, he left the ring with a loss to most of them. Many have openly taken note of the fact that Oscar has lost to every single future hall-of-famer he has faced that was in their prime at the time of their battle. Some would argue that a in at least one of those losses he should have gotten the nod, (Trinidad), but the flipside to that argument is that in a few of his victories his opponents should have probably gotten the nod as well. The Felix Sturm fight was a great example of this, and even beyond that, many continue to believe that Ike 'Bazooka' Quartey was robbed, as well Pernell Whitaker, so that argument can be quickly nullified. In an era where so many great fighters have left their stamp on the sport by displaying dominating performances, it remains a question to most how Oscar continues to be allowed by the media to stand atop the mountain based on actions of yesterday in a sport that lives by the motto "What have you done for me lately"? In Manny Pacquiao, you have a fighter who has - in stark contrast to Oscar - actually proven his mettle against most of his opposition, yet many fans are quick to point out the fact that most of his victories came against fighters who had seen their fair share of wars, and before he could test his faith against the ones in his path who remain in their prime - (Campbell, Valero, Juan Diaz, Guzman, etc) - he has instead chosen to grab a money bag that could come with a plethora of injuries and a psyche that could be badly fractured when it's all over. Pacquiao would be willing to give up 4 inches in height and 6 inches in reach to secure this mega payday. Despite his heart and drive to succeed, it becomes very tough for some to fathom the possibility of him suffering a career setback by losing to an opponent that he probably shouldn't be facing. The possibilities are endless but one thing for sure, it'll all begin to resonate quickly if Pacquiao falls short in a fight that he probably shouldn't be taking to begin with.
Pacquiao/De La Hoya - (This Writers Perspective): At the end of the day, I think that you have to see this fight for what it really is, which is a fighter anxious to deliver an unprecedented accomplishment, against one who has run out of quality opposition that he feels he can actually deliver against. The old adage has it that a great big man defeats a great little man nearly every time, and in this case, the bigger man may indeed defeat that smaller man, but for those who see what's really going on, it's pretty telling that a victory for him still won't overshadow the bigger picture. That bigger picture is the fact that the only person in this equation that a victory would seal a legacy for would be Pacquaio. A win for Oscar would be another proverbial 'feather in the cap', but it would come against a fighter who probably had no business in the ring with him to begin with. A win for Pacquaio would be a huge story because not only would it add him to the list of future hall-of-famers in their prime that Oscar De La Hoya has failed to defeat, but it would put major emphasis on the fact that he would be the smallest, and also the one with the smallest conceivable chance coming in. Some may argue that point, but it's hard to say that anyone realistically sees Pacquiao having a better shot at defeating Oscar than Trinidad, Mayweather, Mosley, or Hopkins. Each of those men were comparable in size, and potentially better in talent. Pacquaio has so much to gain, and possibly a mental psyche to lose. Oscar has very little to gain, and everything to lose. In the end, it's all about a financial proposition, and I hope that both men can look at themselves and live with the decision when it's all said and done. Truthfully, this fight only benefits them and their pockets. It will do very little to convert that MMA fan who sees that boxing allows 'fantasy fights' as opposed to the best being forced to face the best like we see in their sport. Based on that assessment, I think it's a double edged sword. Great for the fighters, bad for the sport. Now it's time to gage what you think. Let the great debates begin.
