de la hoya vs Pacquiao, Dec. 6th [official]

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Tony said:
But come on man this is the "Golden" Boy who has fought Sugar Shane, Trinidad, Quartey, Hopkins, I mean he's been in there with much heavier punchers than Pacquio.
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He was also much younger.

I don't think Oscar had to quit man.... he should have went for the knockout like a real champ but he quit on his stool like a chump.
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He was trying to, have you seen the compubox numbers??? straight EMBARRASSING!!! Oscar threw over 400 punches and landed like 90 (and that's including jabs!!). He literally could not hit pacquiao with a single meaningful shot. It was bad. He had nothing.

Plus, the fight should have been stopped during round 7. The general rule of thumb in boxing is that if a fighter gets hit 10 times in a row without throwing a single punch or defending himself, the fight should be stopped. This is a rule since Duk Koo Kim and in fact even pretty standard before that.

Well there was a point in round 7, where manny was just landing shots at will and oscar didn't throw a single punch. For about 2 minutes!!! It was basically 2 minutes of manny just pounding on oscar. Oscar didn't fire back, didn't defend himself. Most any other fighter the fight would have been stopped, and rightfully so, however I'm sure since it was such a huge fight and it being Oscar and all Tony Weeks let it continue, but he was seriously considering stepping in you could tell cuz his eyes were locked on oscar the entire time and he kept leaning foward like he was about to stop it at any moment. Oscar finished the round throwing like 4 total punches. It was so bad that the round was scored 10-8, without there being a knockdown (classic/perfect example of a 10-8 round w/o a kd).
 
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decisive said:
Just lightweight read up on the Duk Koo Kim and Ray Mancini. Some pretty sad shit. Dudes mother and the ref offed them self after that fight.


Do they have youtubes of that Duk Koo Kim fight up? I wanna watch it when I get home.
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They made a movie in Korea about Kim called "Champion" and his leading up to the fight against Mancini. It's a pretty dope movie and IFC usually plays it with english subtitles if you get that channel. In terms of what you all are talking about .. Yo Sam Choi was somewhat recently killed in what was almost the very last punch of a fight that he ended up winning on points and wasn't conscious to hear the decision being read. Boxing is a brutal business and if your corner thinks you're taking unessacary punishment it's their job to stop the fight.
 
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Tony said:
Well where's Bernard Hopkins when you need him? Have you see what Bernard has said about McNabb?

Man we're not looking idiotic by saying "Oscar" robbed or conned folks which he did. RIP to Duk Koo Kim but did he sell the fight like Oscar did? We're not saying Oscar should have gotten whipped til he died, but he should have shown more heart by going for the knockout and giving fight fans their money worth. Did he even try to "knock" Pacman out like he said during the 24/7 series?
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co sign.

look we can go back and forth on this,you call us "idiotic" and we say grow a pair,point is though Oscar is done,nobody should pay to see that fool box ever again.
 
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Tony, I'm not understanding how you think Oscar robbed or conned folks...?


Almost all fighters will go out and predict a victory, and its not uncommon to hear them predict a knockout as well !

As far as selling the fight:

HE'S A PROMOTER who is also PROMOTING HIS OWN MEGA FIGHT !

What is he supposed to do ? Downplay the fight and keep it on the low-low ? LMAO

And again...how can you knock someone out if you can't even land a simple jab cleanly on the guy?

Watch the fight again and you'll see that Oscar had no way of getting a knockout, or winning, or even hitting Manny cleanly for that matter.


And I can almost guarantee you that Oscar will fight again, and it will generate millions of dollars once again. I actually think he'd do much better against an actual welterweight, than he did against Manny.

He's still got his power and skills, just not the speed and reflexes it takes to compete with someone like Manny.
 
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MOREBASS said:
And I can almost guarantee you that Oscar will fight again, and it will generate millions of dollars once again. I actually think he'd do much better against an actual welterweight, than he did against Manny.

He's still got his power and skills, just not the speed and reflexes it takes to compete with someone like Manny.
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well said, he doesnt have that good of movement anymore is one of his biggest problems but still can throwem just not against people who have quick ass hands
 
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ECOSE said:
IT ONLY TAKES ONE HIT THOUGH TONY. MY BOY ROCKED SUM DUDE IN MIDDLE SCHOOL WHO IS NOW PERMANENTLY BRAIN DAMAGED. 30 SEC FIGHT AND DUDE WAS NEVER THE SAME..
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And that could have happened in any of the rest of his fights. Stevie Forbes was hitting Oscar at will, and busting him up. YET he was ahead (and he knew it) on the cards; did he quit (or his corner throw in the towel) in that fight, fearing for his health? He couldn't get away from Forbes' punches; Forbes doesn't have the power Manny does, but he had enough to break bones in Oscar's face.
 
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Tony said:
But come on man this is the "Golden" Boy who has fought Sugar Shane, Trinidad, Quartey, Hopkins, I mean he's been in there with much heavier punchers than Pacquio. I don't think Oscar had to quit man.... he should have went for the knockout like a real champ but he quit on his stool like a chump.

Yeah I seen the Margarito/Cotto fight... now Cotto went out like a warrior compared to De La Hoya.
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Cotto went out like a warrior compared to Oscar? Cotto had answers early in the fight. Cotto could defend himself early in the fight. Cotto had a defense early in the fight. Oscar could NOT defend himself, could not solve Manny's gameplan, and could not bring himself back into the fight.

Fuck Oscar; I hate that faggot with a passion. But he may have quit (or allowed his corner to), but he would have suffered the same beating he had already done, and what's the point?

Yeah, he should have continued, but that's the fan in me. If it's YOU or maybe YOUR FIGHTER, or possibly a husband, brother, father...what would you want? If that's your dad in there, getting his head beat in, do you call him a bitch for not wanting any more?

I don't fault him for not continuing, but some of the logic about this topic is bullshit.
 
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714KaliHydro said:
DLH was done.
Anyone who wanted him to come out for another round is a sick person.
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As a fan, of course you want the fight to continue. But what else was there to see? The same thing we'd seen the first 8 rounds. He was NOT going to correct anything, and would only take more punishment.

I've never liked Oscar, though, so he could have came out and finished (maybe) the fight...:cool:
 
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MOREBASS said:
And I can almost guarantee you that Oscar will fight again, and it will generate millions of dollars once again.
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No way... not after the con job he just pulled...

I didn't see the fight yet... but from the sounds of it... De La Hoya is a "shot" fighter and is going to retire. He wasn't even competitive in this fight.
 
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REdRUM said:
And that could have happened in any of the rest of his fights. Stevie Forbes was hitting Oscar at will, and busting him up. YET he was ahead (and he knew it) on the cards; did he quit (or his corner throw in the towel) in that fight, fearing for his health? He couldn't get away from Forbes' punches; Forbes doesn't have the power Manny does, but he had enough to break bones in Oscar's face.
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BASICALLY HE HAS A BREAKING POINT THAT SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN TESTED ANY FURTHER. THEY DUDE MY BOY MESSED UP HAD HIS POINT WHICH WAS A FEW SECONDS OF PUNISHMENT. DE LA HOYA COULD HAVE MET HIS IF HE CONTINUED TO GET MOLLYWHOPPED. BUT IM GLAD WE WONT KNOW WHAT IT IS.

AND IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED ANY TIME BUT IT DIDNT SO WHY TEST IT?
 
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Tony said:
No way... not after the con job he just pulled...

I didn't see the fight yet... but from the sounds of it... De La Hoya is a "shot" fighter and is going to retire. He wasn't even competitive in this fight.
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How can you call it a con job if you didn't even see the beating he took ?

And I'm actually watching the fight again for like the 5th time, and during the break after the 8th round, Nacho clearly says himself:

'We're gonna stop it, better we stop it, its our decision...its a decision we have to take...he's too fast...'



Like I said, yes he, along with a lot of other writers and fans as well, thought this was gonna be a total mismatch in favor of Oscar...

Well it turns out it was a total mismatch in Pacquiao's favor.

They were wrong !

It wasn't a con job like you're implying.

You don't think Oscar wanted to whoop the shit out of the best P4P fighter in the world and possibly set up the most profitable fight in history with Ricky Hatton at Wembley Stadium ?
 
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^^yep calling it a con job is BS. I mean I dislike Oscar just as much as the next man, pretty much always have, but he was embarrassed by pacquiao and I swear he even looked close to tears at one point. He wanted to win this fight, and he trained his ass off (probably OVER TRAINED) to prepare. I mean think about it, he weighed in at 145 and only regained two pounds by fight night. that's insane!! That can only mean he trained extremely hard (like I said probably too much) to get his weight at 145-147 and to keep it there.
 
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De La Hoya vs. Pacquiao does 1.25 Million Pay-Per-View Buys. A lil less then the first reports, but still, 1.25 mil is huge for any PPV. And it says a lot considering the bad economy.




NEW YORK -- HBO Sports reported today that 1.25 million pay-per-view buys were generated from last Saturday’s welterweight fight between Oscar de la Hoya, the sport’s top all-time attraction, and Manny Pacquiao, the sport’s pound-for-pound king, at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. The fight was presented by Golden Boy Promotions and Top Rank, Inc.

The 1.25 million buy total represents the highest performing pay-per-view event in 2008 and generated $70 million in pay-per-view revenue. It is only the fourth time in boxing pay-per-view history that a non-heavyweight event has attained the one million buy mark.

“Boxing fans across America showed tremendous support for this event and we’re pleased that they tuned in,” said Mark Taffet of HBO Pay-Per-View.

De La Hoya vs. Pacquiao will be replayed this Saturday, Dec. 13 at 4:45 p.m. ET/ 1:45 p.m. PT on HBO. There will be a same day replay at 10:00 p.m. ET/PT. The exclusive replay of Pacquiao’s impressive triumph will be paired with the live heavyweight title fight from Mannheim, Germany as Wladimir Klitschko meets challenger Hasim Rahman.
 
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James Toney who is set to fight Fres Oquendo (29-4) this coming Saturday has made his views public on Oscar De La Hoya's 8th round TKO loss to Manny Pacquiao. Toney (70-6-3) who was quoted recently in the LA Times, dissed De La Hoya for quitting and looking like a "sissy".

Quoted by the LA Times, Toney feels De La Hoya should never have fought Pacquiao, stating: "Oscar's a good fighter, but he's fought too many times to be fighting a guy like Manny Pacquiao."

Toney went on to diss De La Hoya for the way the fight ended and the way De La Hoya looked. Quoted by the Publication, Toney stated: "Ending it like he did, sitting on the stool, he better come back and redeem himself. He looked like a little sissy. I've been beat up. I never quit."

Toney didn't stop there, drawing a comparision with Roberto Duran, Toney went on to add: "The Mexican fans who haven't liked him should love him now because he did what their favorite Roberto Duran did 26 years ago: 'No mas.' Oscar can't do that, or he's going to go down as a quitter."

Anyone interested in seeing a replay of Pacquiao's impressive victory over De La Hoya can do so by tuning into HBO this coming Saturday. HBO will be showing replays over the weekend. Check your local listings for start times.
 
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