De La Hoya has a hell of a chin most other boxers would have been on the canvas. Obviously this shit wasnt fixed. DLH is just to old to fight at this point. i honestly think he was never the same after the Trinidad and first sugar Shane fight. you could tell he didnt have the movement after those fights but he did have some good fights after that.
de la hoya vs Pacquiao, Dec. 6th [official]
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He didn't quit but he didn't continue either. his corner said, "maybe we should stop the fight, yes lets stop it.." Oscar didn't say anything. They ask him, "do you want one more round?" Oscar didn't say anything. They ask again if he wants another round, Oscar doesn't say anything. At this point they decide to stop the fight.
I think clearly oscar was done at that point, he was beaten mentally, physically, emotionally drained and probably very emberrassed. He didn't say "I quit" or that he couldn't continue, but his face said it all. He had the same expression on his face that Miguel Cotto did after he took the 2nd knee, looking at his corner.
I think clearly oscar was done at that point, he was beaten mentally, physically, emotionally drained and probably very emberrassed. He didn't say "I quit" or that he couldn't continue, but his face said it all. He had the same expression on his face that Miguel Cotto did after he took the 2nd knee, looking at his corner.
I'm not trying to sugar coat anything, I agree he quit by not saying anything. I was just clarifying on what occurred since Tony didn't see the fight and redrum and him were having a discussion on what exactly happened. Technically, Oscar didn't actually say "no mas" but he didn't respond to the question if he wanted to continue, which imo is the same shit anyways.
Oscar should have just fought Margarito, there wouldn't have been any shame in losing that fight and he probably would have gained a lot more respect losing to Margarito then he would have Pac. And quite frankly I bet he would have looked a little bit better against Margarito too since Margarito doesn't have speed. Still would have got his ass kicked though, but at least he could have went out looking like a guy that owns a pair of testicles.
Oscar should have just fought Margarito, there wouldn't have been any shame in losing that fight and he probably would have gained a lot more respect losing to Margarito then he would have Pac. And quite frankly I bet he would have looked a little bit better against Margarito too since Margarito doesn't have speed. Still would have got his ass kicked though, but at least he could have went out looking like a guy that owns a pair of testicles.
Wow, great fight, I actually ended up scoring some tickets for the fight on Saturday ! I knew these shady ass ticket brokers had a busload of overpriced tickets that they couldn't sell for quadruple the face value.
Anyways, phenomenal performance by Manny. So great actually that people are now attributing his win not to his stellar performance, but instead to Oscar's decline.
I think thats bullshit, no one was saying that Oscar was 'shot' before they fought, and most people actually thought he was going to win in dominating fashion with all of his physical advantages.
As far as Oscar's corner throwing in the towel.
That is far from quitting.
There is a big difference between being valiant and being an idiot. Oscar was clearly the beaten man, and has had a long illustrious career, no need for him to continue taking any more punishment and risking his physical well being to prove anything to anyone.
I agree with 2-0 in that a fight with Margarito would have been much more favorable, especially with Oscar's strength being his counterpunching abilities. Margarito rarely fights on his toes, and would be an easy target for Oscar, as he has little to no head movement.
Even with Cotto, who is fast for a welterweight, but not even close to Manny's speed would have been a more competitive fight than the fight with Manny.
Of all of the physical attributes to decline over the year with Oscar, his speed and reflexes are what declined the most, and were what he needed most in the ring with Manny. He did not have them on Saturday night, and was handed the worst beating of his career.
Anyways, phenomenal performance by Manny. So great actually that people are now attributing his win not to his stellar performance, but instead to Oscar's decline.
I think thats bullshit, no one was saying that Oscar was 'shot' before they fought, and most people actually thought he was going to win in dominating fashion with all of his physical advantages.
As far as Oscar's corner throwing in the towel.
That is far from quitting.
There is a big difference between being valiant and being an idiot. Oscar was clearly the beaten man, and has had a long illustrious career, no need for him to continue taking any more punishment and risking his physical well being to prove anything to anyone.
I agree with 2-0 in that a fight with Margarito would have been much more favorable, especially with Oscar's strength being his counterpunching abilities. Margarito rarely fights on his toes, and would be an easy target for Oscar, as he has little to no head movement.
Even with Cotto, who is fast for a welterweight, but not even close to Manny's speed would have been a more competitive fight than the fight with Manny.
Of all of the physical attributes to decline over the year with Oscar, his speed and reflexes are what declined the most, and were what he needed most in the ring with Manny. He did not have them on Saturday night, and was handed the worst beating of his career.
Nah Morebass, Oscar is a quitter in my eyes. Was he upset that the fight was stopped? He ripped a lot of folks off by quiting. He could of least went for a knockout even though he was getting taxed....
You don't say you're going to knockout someone out to sell the fight and then quit on your stool. Just because he didn't say I quit, doesn't mean he didn't quit.
You don't say you're going to knockout someone out to sell the fight and then quit on your stool. Just because he didn't say I quit, doesn't mean he didn't quit.
I actually ended up in U16 which is in between the upper and lower level seats. Closer to the upper level seats, but they were 1000 seats, and got 'em for $200 !
It was actually not a really lively crowd to tell you the truth, aside from the main event, it didn't even look like a packed house. Seems like most of the people were stargazers and not as enthused about the fight as others.
Also, I thought there would more young people there than there were, but not really. It did get pretty electric during the fight though, but that was mostly because of the way Manny was fighting. Even Oscar fans were giving it up for him.
Overall, it was pretty dope, but you really can't tell in detail whats going on if you're not really close because every punch looks like it lands. So I didn't get to see it in detail until I downloaded the fight.
It was actually not a really lively crowd to tell you the truth, aside from the main event, it didn't even look like a packed house. Seems like most of the people were stargazers and not as enthused about the fight as others.
Also, I thought there would more young people there than there were, but not really. It did get pretty electric during the fight though, but that was mostly because of the way Manny was fighting. Even Oscar fans were giving it up for him.
Overall, it was pretty dope, but you really can't tell in detail whats going on if you're not really close because every punch looks like it lands. So I didn't get to see it in detail until I downloaded the fight.
No he wasn't upset at all, actually he was really gracious afterwards and gave Manny the praise that he deserved. Oscar offered no excuses, and even admitted to the notion that he just might not have it anymore.
Its very tough to prepare for an unorthodox fighter like Manny, especially with his lighting quick speed.
As far as him not going for a knockout. Oscar was having a hard time even finding his range and timing for a simple jab. I think this was very disheartening and at some point in the 4th or 5th round, realized that he wasn't going to be able to catch him cleanly, let alone knock the guy out.
De la Hoya called Pacquiao 'the best fighter in the world'
12/08/2008 | 09:15 PM
MANILA, Philippines - There was no question about who Oscar de la Hoya thought deserved to take his throne as boxing's best.
It was the same guy who virtually sent him to retirement.
Manny Pacquiao revealed to Filipino sportswriters on Monday (Sunday, US time) in Las Vegas a compliment de la Hoya made that sent Pacquiao goose bumps.
"Well, he told me I was the best fighter in the whole world."
Right after de la Hoya surrendered and the two fighters were still on top of the ring, Pacquiao and de la Hoya actually exchanged compliments.
Pacquiao told a battered de la Hoya, "You're still my idol." De la Hoya deferred, pointing back to his conqueror, "No, you're my idol."
That was one of a dozen props - whether coming from boxing journalists, celebrities, trainers or former world champions - Pacquiao has been receiving after his masterful eight-round stoppage of The Golden Boy.
Mike Tyson, the former undisputed world heavyweight champion, was awed by Pacquiao's win.
"Nobody thought he was going to win but he was the guy with the speed and the power and Oscar wasn't able to do anything about it," Tyson, who even visited Pacquiao on his final day of training, said.
"No matter what Oscar did, Pacquiao just had all the answers."
Another boxing legend, Thomas Hearns, said he was surprised with the result.
"I thought it was a very interesting fight, but I feel the fight was a little different from what I expected to be," Hearns, the Hall of Fame boxer who became the first four-division world champion, said.
"(Pacquiao) just did what was needed to win the fight."
Pacquiao also revealed to sports scribes that he got a call from David Diaz, the man Pacquiao dethroned as the world lightweight champion last June.
"I think David liked what just happened. He was asking me, 'Who are you? You're too fast. You're unbelievable. Are you human?'" Pacquiao narrated.
Meanwhile, Pacquiao admitted that he didn't expect de la Hoya to throw in the towel.
Just before the ninth round started, he already saw de la Hoya walk across from his corner toward him. Taking it as a "let's get it on" gesture, Pacquiao got up on his feet and was ready to begin the next round.
"Oscar was already standing up so I stood up and I thought the fight was on. But I was surprised Oscar's corner was already making a signal. They were throwing in the towel," Pacquiao said.
Pacquiao dealt de la Hoya his most savage beating and by making him surrender, his most embarrassing loss in an otherwise stellar career.
"Oscar was just wilting at the end of the eighth round. So Freddie (Roach) just told me to finish him off. If Oscar hadn't surrendered, I would've stopped Oscar in the ninth anyway," Pacquiao recalled.
Pacquiao pounded de la Hoya with head shots that caused de la Hoya's face to swell. De la Hoya wasn't the only won who was left a mark by the jabs, though. The frequency of Pacquiao's connections also caused his right hand to swell.
A day after his victory, Pacquiao continued to be upbeat, narrating to people whom he came across the experience of fighting de la Hoya.
"What we did inside the ring, that's exactly what we've been practicing," Pacquiao said. "Body, then head movement. Keep the head active so you take away his jab." – GMANews.TV
12/08/2008 | 09:15 PM
MANILA, Philippines - There was no question about who Oscar de la Hoya thought deserved to take his throne as boxing's best.
It was the same guy who virtually sent him to retirement.
Manny Pacquiao revealed to Filipino sportswriters on Monday (Sunday, US time) in Las Vegas a compliment de la Hoya made that sent Pacquiao goose bumps.
"Well, he told me I was the best fighter in the whole world."
Right after de la Hoya surrendered and the two fighters were still on top of the ring, Pacquiao and de la Hoya actually exchanged compliments.
Pacquiao told a battered de la Hoya, "You're still my idol." De la Hoya deferred, pointing back to his conqueror, "No, you're my idol."
That was one of a dozen props - whether coming from boxing journalists, celebrities, trainers or former world champions - Pacquiao has been receiving after his masterful eight-round stoppage of The Golden Boy.
Mike Tyson, the former undisputed world heavyweight champion, was awed by Pacquiao's win.
"Nobody thought he was going to win but he was the guy with the speed and the power and Oscar wasn't able to do anything about it," Tyson, who even visited Pacquiao on his final day of training, said.
"No matter what Oscar did, Pacquiao just had all the answers."
Another boxing legend, Thomas Hearns, said he was surprised with the result.
"I thought it was a very interesting fight, but I feel the fight was a little different from what I expected to be," Hearns, the Hall of Fame boxer who became the first four-division world champion, said.
"(Pacquiao) just did what was needed to win the fight."
Pacquiao also revealed to sports scribes that he got a call from David Diaz, the man Pacquiao dethroned as the world lightweight champion last June.
"I think David liked what just happened. He was asking me, 'Who are you? You're too fast. You're unbelievable. Are you human?'" Pacquiao narrated.
Meanwhile, Pacquiao admitted that he didn't expect de la Hoya to throw in the towel.
Just before the ninth round started, he already saw de la Hoya walk across from his corner toward him. Taking it as a "let's get it on" gesture, Pacquiao got up on his feet and was ready to begin the next round.
"Oscar was already standing up so I stood up and I thought the fight was on. But I was surprised Oscar's corner was already making a signal. They were throwing in the towel," Pacquiao said.
Pacquiao dealt de la Hoya his most savage beating and by making him surrender, his most embarrassing loss in an otherwise stellar career.
"Oscar was just wilting at the end of the eighth round. So Freddie (Roach) just told me to finish him off. If Oscar hadn't surrendered, I would've stopped Oscar in the ninth anyway," Pacquiao recalled.
Pacquiao pounded de la Hoya with head shots that caused de la Hoya's face to swell. De la Hoya wasn't the only won who was left a mark by the jabs, though. The frequency of Pacquiao's connections also caused his right hand to swell.
A day after his victory, Pacquiao continued to be upbeat, narrating to people whom he came across the experience of fighting de la Hoya.
"What we did inside the ring, that's exactly what we've been practicing," Pacquiao said. "Body, then head movement. Keep the head active so you take away his jab." – GMANews.TV
News
MEXICAN WORLD CHAMPS: WE ARE SHOCKED!
By Alex P. Vidal
PhilBoxing.com
Tue, 09 Dec 2008
LAS VEGAS, Nevada -- The seven former world champions and four current world champions from Mexico who were at ringside during the "Dream Match" On December 6 at the MGM Grand, mourned the fall of their last hope to redeem the pride of Mexican ring warriors saying they were shocked with Oscar De La Hoya's 8th round technical knockout loss to the "Mexican killer" Manny Pacquiao.
"I'm speechless," shot former world bantamweight champion Carlos "Canas" Zarate (66-4, 63 KOs) who was active in the ring from 1970 to 1988. "I thought Oscar would easily beat Pacquiao."
Pipino Cuevas (35-15, 31 KOs), former world welterweight champion, who was active from 1971 to 1989, said he could not believe what he saw and was stunned when De La Hoya was uncapable of dodging Pacquiao's killer straights.
"He was slow and appeared bloated," he said.
Humberto "Chiquita" Gonzalez (43-3, 31 KOs), former world lightflyweight champion, who was active from 1984 to 1995, admitted he was terrified when De La Hoya missed some of his lethal blows and could not hit Pacquiao who moved his head like Mike Tyson.
Ruben "Puas" Olivares (88-13-3, 77 KOs), active from 1967 to 1988 and former world bantamweight and featherweight champion, avoided the post fight conference with Team De La Hoya. Sources said he was dismayed that De La Hoya did not put up a gallant stand and also did not show up in the post fight press conference.
Eric Gomez, De La Hoya's childhood friend, said the defeated superstar was brought to the hospital accompanied by Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaeffer "for a precautionary move."
Those who also expressed disgust and disappointment with De La Hoya's fall were former world lightweight champion Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzalez (81-7-1, 71 KOs), Juan Manuel Marquez (49-4-1, 36 KOs), who is still itching to fight Pacquiao in a trilogy, world bantamweight and super bantamweight champion champion Rafael Marquez (37-5, 33 KOs), super bantamweight champion Israel "Magnifico" Vasquez (43-4, 31 KOs), Oscar "Chololo" Larios (63-6-1, 39 KOs).
Top photo: Mexican champions were introduced by the De La Hoya camp during Wednesday's press conference. Photo by PhilBoxing.com.
MEXICAN WORLD CHAMPS: WE ARE SHOCKED!
By Alex P. Vidal
PhilBoxing.com
Tue, 09 Dec 2008
LAS VEGAS, Nevada -- The seven former world champions and four current world champions from Mexico who were at ringside during the "Dream Match" On December 6 at the MGM Grand, mourned the fall of their last hope to redeem the pride of Mexican ring warriors saying they were shocked with Oscar De La Hoya's 8th round technical knockout loss to the "Mexican killer" Manny Pacquiao.
"I'm speechless," shot former world bantamweight champion Carlos "Canas" Zarate (66-4, 63 KOs) who was active in the ring from 1970 to 1988. "I thought Oscar would easily beat Pacquiao."
Pipino Cuevas (35-15, 31 KOs), former world welterweight champion, who was active from 1971 to 1989, said he could not believe what he saw and was stunned when De La Hoya was uncapable of dodging Pacquiao's killer straights.
"He was slow and appeared bloated," he said.
Humberto "Chiquita" Gonzalez (43-3, 31 KOs), former world lightflyweight champion, who was active from 1984 to 1995, admitted he was terrified when De La Hoya missed some of his lethal blows and could not hit Pacquiao who moved his head like Mike Tyson.
Ruben "Puas" Olivares (88-13-3, 77 KOs), active from 1967 to 1988 and former world bantamweight and featherweight champion, avoided the post fight conference with Team De La Hoya. Sources said he was dismayed that De La Hoya did not put up a gallant stand and also did not show up in the post fight press conference.
Eric Gomez, De La Hoya's childhood friend, said the defeated superstar was brought to the hospital accompanied by Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaeffer "for a precautionary move."
Those who also expressed disgust and disappointment with De La Hoya's fall were former world lightweight champion Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzalez (81-7-1, 71 KOs), Juan Manuel Marquez (49-4-1, 36 KOs), who is still itching to fight Pacquiao in a trilogy, world bantamweight and super bantamweight champion champion Rafael Marquez (37-5, 33 KOs), super bantamweight champion Israel "Magnifico" Vasquez (43-4, 31 KOs), Oscar "Chololo" Larios (63-6-1, 39 KOs).
Top photo: Mexican champions were introduced by the De La Hoya camp during Wednesday's press conference. Photo by PhilBoxing.com.