Boxing schedule for the month of July

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the ghost is fighting Maidana next at 140.

I guess it depends on what Bam Bam wants to do right now - stay at 135 or move up to 140.

At 140, any fight is dope. Alexander, Matthysse, Erik Morales, Lamont Peterson. Maybe he could even fight the Judah-Khan winner (Bradley announced today he's moving up to 147).

At 135, Humberto Soto would be the best option (but I hear he's moving up to 140 as well). Michael Katsidis would be an awesome war.
All dope ass fights!!!!!
 
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The Ring stepped up and did the right thing. Lara moves up in rankings, Williams moves down.


“The majority decision in favor of Paul Williams over Erislandy Lara was so egregious, the Editorial Board, with unanimous support from the Advisory Panel, decided the only fair course of action was to promote Lara and demote Williams,” said Nigel Collins, Editor-in-Chief of THE RING. “The horrendous verdict spoiled what had otherwise been a good weekend of boxing and is just the sort of injustice that turns fans away from the sport.”

Williams (40-2, 27 KOs) dropped five places in the middleweight rankings, from No. 3 to No. 8. Lara (15-1-1, 10 KOs) debuted at No. 5 in the junior middleweight rankings on the strength of his excellent showing against Williams."
 
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Bam Bam is fun to watch, but his career is going to be short fighting in that style. Dude has a lot of heart, power in both hands, and a good chin. He's flat footed, bad foot'work, and he has no defense. I want to see how his chin holds up against the heavy punchers at 140lb. I hope he approves his skills in the ring. To me he's Margarito 2.0 with more punching power, he will beat the will out of you.
 

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I just watched the fight (good lookin 206.) I had it 8 rounds (1,2,6,7,8,9,10 and 11) to 4 rounds (3,4,5 and 12) for Lara.

I think the reason why Williams won this fight is because when it came close and to the inside, he threw a lot of punches and it appeared that he had a better inside game. Also, he appeared to be moving forward a lot.

This fight was a robbery. I don't think Williams is shot, but the left hand destroyed him and he isn't using his height and reach to his advantage.
 
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I say Paul Williams is shot, because his offense is not effective anymore. P-Will does not sit down on any of his punches. Now it seem like he's just going through the moments, just throwing punches to throw them. If you watch the first Martinez vs William fight or the Maragrito fight, Paul was sitting down on his punches and was hurting Martinez. Now he just walk forward and throw arm punches. Paul has no more pop to his offense so opponents can just walk thru his punches and throw the over hand left all night. Maybe he's mentally shot but he's not the same fighters since the 1st Martinez fight.
 
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^^he never really had a lot of power imo and never really hurt martinez either. He's always been just a whirlwind of arm punching. But the biggest problem is he was fighting another southpaw. All his losses were southpaws - Quintana, Martinez and now Lara.

But I think he should retire soon though cuz he some of the worst defense I've ever seen in my life from an "elite" fighter and all those shots are adding up like mileage on a car.
 
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Yes Paul Williams did have power in his punches. How in the hell do you think he won the Margarito fight? I can tell you how because he had enough pop in his punches to keep Margarito at bay most of the fight. He had enough power to knock Martinez down and keep him at bay the first fight. There is no way in hell you can beat Margarito if you don't have the pop in your punches to keep him from swarming you. Do you watch boxing or do you just listen to the announcer and cosign everything they say. I'm starting to wonder if people have there own opinions or do they just repeat whatever Larry Merchant hater ass has to say.
 
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Yes Paul Williams did have power in his punches. How in the hell do you think he won the Margarito fight?
He beat Margarito, at 147 pounds, because he was much more active than Margarito and Margarito started very late in the fight (which he was notorious for doing). Margarito did start to fuck him up a bit in the later rounds. Was Margarito ever hurt by Williams in that fight? Riddle me that batman.

I'm not saying Williams is Paulie Malignaggi or anything like that, but he never had a lot of power, which was my point. And at 154 pounds and 160 pounds that power is even less.

He was fighting Lara, a true 154 pounder, and Martinez who walks around at 190+ pounds. Huge differences in fighting bigger guys then fighting guys at 147 pounds.

It's not a coincidence that Williams started to struggle with guys closer to his own natural weight.

He had enough power to knock Martinez down and keep him at bay the first fight.
Did you even watch the first fight? The knockdown was 100% a result of Martinez being off balance.

Go to :30 seconds you can clearly see Williams shot hit his shoulder/back while Martinez was off balance:




Do you watch boxing or do you just listen to the announcer and cosign everything they say. I'm starting to wonder if people have there own opinions or do they just repeat whatever Larry Merchant hater ass has to say.
What did Larry Merchant say that I said? Explain. If anything the commentators for Williams last fight (which Larry Merchant wasn't apart of) would echo what you're saying - that Williams is shot. My argument is simply it looks like the same technically retarded Williams I've always seen who struggles mightily against Southpaws. He simply doesn't know how to block a left hand. His punches weren't that effective on Lara because he hardly landed - only 19% of his total shots. Lara used effective ring movement (he would go backwards, set up and fire the left hand) and would clinch when close.

Obviously your punches are going to be stronger, more effective if you have a guy that's easier to hit. Against Lara he rarely gave Williams any good opportunities to land solid punches. And as the fight went on, and he was getting his ass absolutely handed to him, his power kept going down.
 

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My argument is simply it looks like the same technically retarded Williams I've always seen who struggles mightily against Southpaws.
I Agree 100%. He isn't changing things up one bit when it comes to southpaws.

He simply doesn't know how to block a left hand.
See above and my previous post.

His punches weren't that effective on Lara because he hardly landed - only 19% of his total shots.
I agree 100% which is why I said he appeared to have thrown a lot of punches. But in reality, out of all those punches, 19% landed.

Lara used effective ring movement (he would go backwards, set up and fire the left hand) and would clinch when close.
I agree 100% and the judges confused his movement and tactics (which made it appear that Williams was coming forward), along with Williams punch rate and inside fighting, and came to the conclusion that Williams should have won.
 
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Paul Williams did not throw one hard punch in the Lara fight. Paul Williams hit Martinez in there first fight hard enough to keep him at bay. He hurt Martinez a few times in the first fight too. Yes Margarito got hurt against Paul Williams that's the only reason why he didn't run over Paul like he did Cotto. Again Paul Williams is done and the major reasons are because he has no pop in his punches anymore and he doesn't take punches like he used too.. I said he was going downhill since the Kermit fight.
 

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Paul Williams did not throw one hard punch in the Lara fight. Paul Williams hit Martinez in there first fight hard enough to keep him at bay. He hurt Martinez a few times in the first fight too. Yes Margarito got hurt against Paul Williams that's the only reason why he didn't run over Paul like he did Cotto. Again Paul Williams is done and the major reasons are because he has no pop in his punches anymore and he doesn't take punches like he used too.. I said he was going downhill since the Kermit fight.
He threw some hard punches. Some landed, most didn't but he did put some out there. The problem is, he couldn't really hit Lara because of what Lara did. He moved, he used his left hand, Williams jab didn't even exist that fight, and when it came to the inside he was often tied up. I think he can take a punch, Lara hit him with some pretty good shots, especially since he didn't even block or try to move or lean back from those left hand shots. Williams needs to up his defensive game, especially against southpaws and he needs to use his body to his advantage. He is tall, and he has a lot of reach, use that to your advantage and stop trying to fight the inside game. If he can adjust and do these things he'll have better fights, but if he keeps doing the same thing he has been (like in his last two fights) he's an accident waiting to happen.
 
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It's funny you ask if I watch boxing and you have no clue as to why these things are happening. Like HERSEY said Williams (and more importantly his trainer) have made zero adjustments to his game, which is absolutely crazy when they knew they were facing another southpaw. You put Williams in with someone who doesn't throw that much and is orthodox and he'll probably look like a beast.

But going back to the "pop" in his punches. Going back to even 147 pounds he was always so technically incorrect his punches were never truly hard punches. All arm punching. He got away with it for so long because of how incredibly big he was compared to everyone else (about 6'3 and re-hydrated 15-20 pounds), his iron chin and his incredible work-rate. Those three things alone are very difficult for someone much smaller to overcome. Margarito isn't a technically sound counter puncher, he was similar to Williams - iron chin, volume puncher, great stamina. That's why he struggled in the first half of the fight (he was getting out-worked). Just about any southpaw fucks Williiams up though, and that shows on his resume.
 
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I'm sorry but the Paul Williams in the 1st Martinez fight would have beat Lara up. Paul Williams offense which was his defense sucks now. I didn't see Paul Williams throw anything hard and he looks slow as hell while punching. I didn't see anything defensively that Lara did that Martinez didn't do better and Paul had no problem landing on Martinez.
Paul is just shot now and it shows clear as day in his offense. But that's what happens to all offense and no defense fighters very short careers most of the time.
 
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With that size and offensive skill, it's pretty fuckin sad Williams has become what he is now. He should be a fighter that fights on the outside throwing lots of jabs and using his size better. Perhaps a different trainer would help him out...
right, I often wounder what he could have been with a different trainer, especially someone like Emmanuel Steward who would have taught him how to use his height and use the jab. He would have been tough to beat. He also probably would have taught him how to really use his weight in his punches, like he did with another tall Welterweight in Tommy Hearns. Hearns actually had only 7 KO's in over 100 fights as an amateur. Then Steward taught him how to really punch and the rest is history (hearns obviously one of the great pound 4 pound punchers of all time).

Anyways, it's too late for Williams. He says he's going to retire. He wanted the Martinez trilogy and Martinez turned it down, said Lara clearly won and he doesn't want to permanently damage Williams. Not sure what he can do in the next 1-2 fights.