BAY AREA MUSIC SUCKS NOW
- Thread starter Supa SAV'D OUTT
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i feel like, ppl have waaaaaaaay too much expections due to how media portrays whats good or bad. we, as ppl of the bay area, and fans of, know that we support our ppls. i listen all this stuff they play on the radio, or on tv, or @ superbowl, ok, its alright music, black eye peas or whatever. but @ the end of day, all i really listen to bay rap. i dont know where its coming from, such and such like the mobb or the wire, but yeah, thats my shit.
It is two separate problems
1. The tone deaf producers
2. The talentless MCs
Both have gotten increasingly prevalent since the 90s, however, since they are separate and not completely correlated issues, it has gotten to the point where even the competent MCs have mostly unlistenable beats. And that includes pretty much everyone who was listed in this thread as supposedly "still holding it down" for the real music - you can find plenty of good MCs to point to and say "see, it isn't dead" but the reality is that even those dope MCs mostly make shitty music because of the beats. If you can ignore the beat and only listen to the verses, then more power to you, but I personally can't do that.
Now, that the beats suck is a direct consequence of the oversaturation of the scene with both artists and releases per artists - all those classic albums in the 90s were made either by in-house producers who dedicated all their energy to their in-house artists and as a result were able to establish their own sound, or by a handful of widely used producers who, however, didn't have hundreds of artists to work with and dissipate their creative energy on, so they were mostly providing quality material too. On top of that, there is the impact of the change in copyright laws in the mid 90s and how sampling got much more difficult as a result, then there is the shift from the 10-track album sold out the trunk that had to be dope all the way from start to finish if it was to move units to the 20-track album with 2 solid singles to carry the sales, 13 filler tracks and 5 skits; the consolidation of radio stations across the country that resulted in the disappearance of the local styles and a long list of other negative trends, not just in hip-hop but in music and society in general.
But ultimately that matters little, those aren't thing that it's in the power of anyone to change, so unless the model of making and distributing music changes completely into something that just forces the artists to make good music by just keeping the BAU course, it will remain this way for the indefinite future. Problem is that it will always be what the people want to listen to that will determine what music will be made, and if the masses have been conditioned for long enough to listen to and like shitty music, then shitty music is what they're going to demand and shitty music is what's going to be made. A trap from which there is no escaping and the window of opportunity for preventing that is rapidly closing as time passes
1. The tone deaf producers
2. The talentless MCs
Both have gotten increasingly prevalent since the 90s, however, since they are separate and not completely correlated issues, it has gotten to the point where even the competent MCs have mostly unlistenable beats. And that includes pretty much everyone who was listed in this thread as supposedly "still holding it down" for the real music - you can find plenty of good MCs to point to and say "see, it isn't dead" but the reality is that even those dope MCs mostly make shitty music because of the beats. If you can ignore the beat and only listen to the verses, then more power to you, but I personally can't do that.
Now, that the beats suck is a direct consequence of the oversaturation of the scene with both artists and releases per artists - all those classic albums in the 90s were made either by in-house producers who dedicated all their energy to their in-house artists and as a result were able to establish their own sound, or by a handful of widely used producers who, however, didn't have hundreds of artists to work with and dissipate their creative energy on, so they were mostly providing quality material too. On top of that, there is the impact of the change in copyright laws in the mid 90s and how sampling got much more difficult as a result, then there is the shift from the 10-track album sold out the trunk that had to be dope all the way from start to finish if it was to move units to the 20-track album with 2 solid singles to carry the sales, 13 filler tracks and 5 skits; the consolidation of radio stations across the country that resulted in the disappearance of the local styles and a long list of other negative trends, not just in hip-hop but in music and society in general.
But ultimately that matters little, those aren't thing that it's in the power of anyone to change, so unless the model of making and distributing music changes completely into something that just forces the artists to make good music by just keeping the BAU course, it will remain this way for the indefinite future. Problem is that it will always be what the people want to listen to that will determine what music will be made, and if the masses have been conditioned for long enough to listen to and like shitty music, then shitty music is what they're going to demand and shitty music is what's going to be made. A trap from which there is no escaping and the window of opportunity for preventing that is rapidly closing as time passes
i'm mexican and grew up surrounded by nortenos, my whole family was bangin in the late 80's and 90's.....theres a good chance we grew up in the same era, i started listenin to these young cats cuz i do covers for alot of them....not all it is good but some definately have potential, you just gotta be open minded about it and take a listen to some of it.my cuzzin keeps tellin me about the one dude from decoto and i listened once and didnt like it, goldtoes from this city is a better artist in my opinion
HAVE YOU LISTENED TO ANY NORTHERN CHICANO RAP MUSIC?YOU WOULD BE SUPRISED WE HAVE TALLENT AND A FANBASE.AND SOME OF US DO MOB MUSIC.SOME PEOPLE ON HERE GOTTA BE A LIL MORE RECEPTIVE ON HERE, AND VENTURE OUTSIDE THERE COMFORT ZONE ONCE IN A WHILE.SHIT YOU MIGHT FIND A GEM OR 2.OH AND IVE SUPPORTED BAY AREA MUSIC SINCE THE LATE 80'S.IM PROBLY ONE OF THE LAST MOFO'S THAT WILL GO 2 RASPUITIANS AND ACTUALLY BUY CD'S....
i think that "northern chicano rap music" wont get any bigger than what it is, theres talent and a fanbase within the same lifestyle, but u cant sell a cd to a brotha or a asian person in oakland or in frisco and expect them to buy it and slap that shit hard in their own neighborhood. as to where a mob figaz or a livewire project....u bound to hear that in a white neighborhood! in other words chicano rap music is out there and some might be good but.....definately doesnt appeal to the diverse community that we have in the bay
As a listener it's not your job to adapt it's your job to listen to what makes you happy. There's good rap coming out of the bay your ears just might not be in tune to hear it because the shit you listened to your whole life.
In 10 years people that listen to Lil B and Roach Gigz prolly gonna be saying the same shit about Lenny 2020 and Robot Gang or whatever the fuck people that are up on shit gonna be listening to then.
In 10 years people that listen to Lil B and Roach Gigz prolly gonna be saying the same shit about Lenny 2020 and Robot Gang or whatever the fuck people that are up on shit gonna be listening to then.