5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Healthcare Reform

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Are you telling me that if we turn into a Marxist society we will suddenly be smart again? Is that what you're saying?
if schools are closing left and right and spending increases on police and military , if we still have the patriot act , how is that moving towards communism in the first place ? we're moving

"Capitalism is seen as a society in which a small minority of the population (the bourgeoisie or capitalists) dominates and exploits the vast majority (the working class or proletariat)."


why is this still happening ? ,factories closing, unemployment

i don't see any real change i see this country moving FAR right with the democrats are right to center the the republicans off in la la land


for any real change there would have to have some type of education some type of encouragement to read certant books it would have to be something people organized themselfs. i don't see obama telling the people to read marx or mao because he does not share there view or values , with obama it's buisness as usaul and you have people out there telling you theres some type of change but it's only capatilism with a blackface


 
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yea they do. Obama campaigned on universal healthcare, the people elected obama, now obama is fulfilling his promise
People did not elect Obama strictly on his healthcare plan, they elected him because he knows how to speak. If the PEOPLE were allowed to vote on Healthcare reform, his plan as it stands would not pass.

If this healthcare plan is soooooo great, why does the government not have to offer its own plan to its workers?
 
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The VA has socilized healthcare, whats wrong with implementing it in the rest of the country? Every other western giant has it.
 
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People did not elect Obama strictly on his healthcare plan, they elected him because he knows how to speak. If the PEOPLE were allowed to vote on Healthcare reform, his plan as it stands would not pass.

If this healthcare plan is soooooo great, why does the government not have to offer its own plan to its workers?
he was elected by a substantial margin. He has a mandate to stand on principle and do whatever the fuck he wants
 
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he was elected by a substantial margin. He has a mandate to stand on principle and do whatever the fuck he wants
I don't deny that. Is whatever the fuck he wants a good thing, though?

Actually, ya know, I can't blame Obama for everything. Congress has a lot to do with this shit. In my OPINION, Obama is just the presenter of bad ideas...Congress puts those bad ideas into play without knowing what the fuck they're doing. That's just fact. The stimulus package was signed off on without anybody even reading the material.

So, I guess government as a whole still has their heads up their asses.
 
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hammer and sickle = symbol of communism

Since this is the internet one can only assume that you chose that as your avatar because you stand for it, if only partially. Therfore, for the sake of argument, you can be reduced to a communist sympathizer. And as a communist sympathizer your words hold no weight because you are a believer in an ideal that is opposed to American Democracy. You only confirmed this by saying that you support socialized medicine - not reformed government health coverage - but socialized medicine.

Move to Cuba or North Korea and stop trying to change the United States into something it was never meant to be.
America was meant for the people -everyone to experience freedom and equality, not economic oppression and the resulting maladies that grow thereof. Marxism was not made to oppose "American Democracy", it was developed to fight against capitalism. An exploitative system that is directly opposed to the basic rights and standards of Democracy -putting a few over the masses by way of their resource control.
 

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hammer and sickle = symbol of communism

Since this is the internet one can only assume that you chose that as your avatar because you stand for it, if only partially. Therfore, for the sake of argument, you can be reduced to a communist sympathizer. And as a communist sympathizer your words hold no weight because you are a believer in an ideal that is opposed to American Democracy. You only confirmed this by saying that you support socialized medicine - not reformed government health coverage - but socialized medicine.

Move to Cuba or North Korea and stop trying to change the United States into something it was never meant to be.
I'm curious, what was America meant to be? The nation it started out as? Just wondering..
 
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Obama is ok, he inherited a lot of problems but seems like a decent dude

The "recession" was a blessing in disguise for me, i made a lot in the stock market by buying dirt-cheap

As long as my stocks keep rising
 
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What do you mean by economic oppression? And what do you mean by equality? I don't think Americans were meant to experience economic equality, only equal opportunity to become wealthy and reap the benefits. This plan punishes the rich by forcing them to pay disproportionately more for healthcare. Where is the equality in that?

I hear what you're saying and agree to an extent, but do you realize that you'd be losing freedom if this plan were implemented? That's the whole point (see the first post in this thread).
See, this is where I have a problem. People in this country seem to think that, because some folks are poor, they are "economically oppressed"...which is clearly not the case. Some people can't do shit for themselves, a lot of people CAN but won't.

Now, folks want to take the money I've worked my ass off for, and that a lot of people have worked their asses off for, and give the shit to people who either CAN'T or WON'T do it themselves. If I want to donate money to somebody, that is my choice...but it should not be forced upon us by the government, period. I deal with motherfuckers everyday that sit back and wait for somebody to give them shit...but won't get off their asses to do it themselves. I have a problem with that.

Pops came from nothing, my ancestors came from nothing, and they worked HARD for everything they gained in life. This is true for most people that get money these days. People need to open their eyes and realize that YES, NATIONAL HEALTHCARE WILL BE CHEAPER...when and if you get treated...and on PAPER! Fact of the matter is, you're paying for your healthcare, then you get taxed to pay for somebody else's healthcare. How is that a fair system?

What they need to do is make Medical and Medicare WORK PROPERLY, and keep that shit in place...but don't force this bullshit on the rest of us.
 
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I agree with you to a point Sydal. There are plenty of people who are fully capable of working but just are very lazy and receive welfare and medical, that's getting money and health care without doing anything.My mom and pops are hard working people and they get pissed to see that other folks are getting money from the government from doing nothing.

There's alotta mexican ppl here that are hard work and want to play by the rules and there are those who wanna milk the system. An example would be that couples sometimes report that they are unemployed when in fact the husband is working in construction and gets paid in cash and doesnt have to report shit and the wife files both of them as unemployed and they get medical and unemployment checks, fair? no.
 
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hammer and sickle = symbol of communism

Since this is the internet one can only assume that you chose that as your avatar because you stand for it, if only partially. Therfore, for the sake of argument, you can be reduced to a communist sympathizer. And as a communist sympathizer your words hold no weight because you are a believer in an ideal that is opposed to American Democracy. You only confirmed this by saying that you support socialized medicine - not reformed government health coverage - but socialized medicine.

Move to Cuba or North Korea and stop trying to change the United States into something it was never meant to be.
NORTH KOREA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH COMMUNISM

you need to review your american history