Your views on the homeless....
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You're right Mclean, those damn taxpayers shouldering all the burden!
We should just blow their fucking brains out.
"Hey, get a job, you mumbling base head who shits his pants!"
"Get a job making 6 bucks an hour so you can't afford an apartment or a fuckin room in Frisco!"
Americans have so fucking much...so much more than any other country in the world, yet they whine like this about supporting people or helping people out.
Ludicrous....absolutely retarded. We have wealth and surplus that exceeds anything ever seen anywhere in the world, and Mclean here is whining about the tax money we're spending on them. Do you know where you fucking are? Do you know how much richer we are than everyone else? And you're bitching because we give them money?
What is money Mclean? What is the worth of money?
You're supposedly Christian right?
"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
Where is your treasure Mclean? What is your objective? Does it pain you that much to see someone taken care of with your precious taxpayer money?
"And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."
Republican christian hypocrisy....always good for a laugh.
We should just blow their fucking brains out.
"Hey, get a job, you mumbling base head who shits his pants!"
"Get a job making 6 bucks an hour so you can't afford an apartment or a fuckin room in Frisco!"
Americans have so fucking much...so much more than any other country in the world, yet they whine like this about supporting people or helping people out.
Ludicrous....absolutely retarded. We have wealth and surplus that exceeds anything ever seen anywhere in the world, and Mclean here is whining about the tax money we're spending on them. Do you know where you fucking are? Do you know how much richer we are than everyone else? And you're bitching because we give them money?
What is money Mclean? What is the worth of money?
You're supposedly Christian right?
"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
Where is your treasure Mclean? What is your objective? Does it pain you that much to see someone taken care of with your precious taxpayer money?
"And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."
Republican christian hypocrisy....always good for a laugh.
Another point (McleanSnatch, listen up)- Numerous homeless on the streets are Vet's who dedicated their lives to this country only to finish their service and be neglected by the same gov't that deployed them and abandonded by the society they were 'fighting to protect'. These people witness some of the most abhorrent atrocities that man's eye's were made to see, to come back to a place where the people, family, and gov't turn their backs on them (just look at wwhat your boy Bush has done to the VA since his tenure)... but f**k 'em anyway huh? You piece of iShhh hypocrite, all you want to do is take take take, why don't you do some soul searching and learn how to give once in a while? (greedy f**K!)
Even though im only 14 im bout real close to bein homeless, and i still help out the unfortunate, its how i waz raized, i go to a catholic school and i still participate in school food drives for familys, i look at it this way, what goez around comez around, if i dont help out people wit less than me then wat happens when i gget less then them. see wat im sayin.
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I help homeless people when ever I have some extra cash. I have just given homless people change and up to $5 dollars if I have extra money, bought them food and given it to them,bought a guy dog food for his dog, and have even when I'm getting myself some beer picked up a 40 for the homeless guy out front. Alot of them either can't get a job or are a little off in the head so I think it's okay to help them out.
I remember one time I was with my boy and I had lots of income at the time and some homeless guy was asking for any change available.
I gave the guy a 5 spot and he said "thanks and god bless" my friend looked at me and said "why did you do that?" "He is only going to go buy drugs or alcohol with that money you gave him" I thought about what he said and answered "Well I got some extra cash and I would have went and bought some drugs or alcohol with the five dollars" Which to he replied "Well than why did you give it to him?"
I said "well you and me are getting some beer and weed and are going to get fucked up at my house" I continued "the guy I gave the money to is going to get some beer and freeze his ass off in the streets, atleast he should have something to keep his mind off the fact that he is homeless and cold" and on the next block walking back to my car my homie gave 3 dollars to a different bum.
Nuttkace
I remember one time I was with my boy and I had lots of income at the time and some homeless guy was asking for any change available.
I gave the guy a 5 spot and he said "thanks and god bless" my friend looked at me and said "why did you do that?" "He is only going to go buy drugs or alcohol with that money you gave him" I thought about what he said and answered "Well I got some extra cash and I would have went and bought some drugs or alcohol with the five dollars" Which to he replied "Well than why did you give it to him?"
I said "well you and me are getting some beer and weed and are going to get fucked up at my house" I continued "the guy I gave the money to is going to get some beer and freeze his ass off in the streets, atleast he should have something to keep his mind off the fact that he is homeless and cold" and on the next block walking back to my car my homie gave 3 dollars to a different bum.
Nuttkace
that there is many many probably millions of homeless folks,and its cold outside.and not all of then deserve to be homeless.Now the base heads desrve it cuz they hustle somehow to get they crack rock or crank whatever and that is all they want.The drunks so be it,I guess if I was in a box or someshit I rather be pissy drunk.But to folks in shelters with families...no good deal,cuz welfare should help but then u gotta go thru this praise the social worker.....FUCK THE GOVERNMENT
First you stressed "they act like Baseheads"- What do baseheads act like EDJ do you know and have you written extensive research about the basehead community.
Then you stressed "you give one finger they want the whole arm" In what way do they want the so called arm why is it that stereotype you have of the homeless is in that form you are prejudiced against someone of lower economic standing then yourself.
Finally you stressed "Homeless should be eitha deported or incarcerated" Okay iam going to put this so you can understand. What if i said all blacks should be sent back to Africa or all Latino's should be sent back to their native homelands. YOu would pout and cry that i am a closet racist and then try and destroy my view. Here iam trying to show you. What if your mom was homeless? Lets incarcerate her or deport her EDJ how does that sound (If your mom has passed no disrespect). Your the one to point the finger when someone offends your race/ races, but your quick to diss homeless like they are a race. Homie your hypocritical. Peace
Berkeley tolerates its homeless people, and takes good care of their stuff when they abandon it in shopping carts.
Not only does the city pack carts and other belongings into a huge container in case folks want it back -- it also deep-freezes them for as long as 90 days.
About a year ago, Berkeley bought a 40-foot-long, 8-foot-wide refrigerated container for $8,200 after public works officials complained about vermin infesting carts stored at the city's outdoor corporation yard.
The city signed a five-year, $61,500 lease with Caltrans for land under the University Avenue overpass at Interstate 80 to put the container on, and ran power to the unit.
Deputy City Attorney Matthew Orebic said the city is heeding state law that requires storage of lost goods. He said it is not clear, however, that that law applies to unattended shopping carts because they may not be lost.
"We just do that to be safe and fair, to make sure that there's no argument that we've violated any laws and to be fair to the person,'' Orebic said. "What if you've got your medication in there?''
San Francisco and UC Berkeley also store homeless people's belongings as a result of lawsuits filed by homeless advocates, but they don't freeze them.
Critics say Berkeley's freezer program is an example of good intentions run amok. The city, which faces a $7.5 million deficit, should treat abandoned shopping carts as stolen property instead of worrying so much about the contents, they say.
"The amount of money wasted in this city is so outrageous it's ridiculous, '' said Jim Hultman, who learned of the cart freezing while fighting a $50,000- a-year program near his house that gave homeless people rented storage space.
But Orebic said it would be impractical, for legal and logistical reasons, for police to make a practice of seizing shopping carts from homeless people or charging them with misdemeanor theft charges.
Robert Long, coordinator of the Multi-Agency (homeless) Service Center in downtown Berkeley, said he was "conflicted'' about the storage program, but he knows that one person's trash is another person's treasure.
"I doubt that many of those carts will be claimed,'' Long said.
Marci Jordan, executive director of the Berkeley Food and Housing Project, said she would like the money spent on other projects. "I don't see it as an effective strategy,'' she said.
Deputy Public Works Director Patrick Keilch said very few items from the hundreds of carts picked up annually are retrieved. He estimated the annual cost of refrigerating the stuff at 0 to 6 degrees Fahrenheit at about $3,000.
"Being Berkeley, we're pretty tolerant and we bend over backward. What's the phrase? 'Walk a mile in my shoes,' " said Keilch, who estimated the city spends about $100,000 annually for two people to clean stuff that homeless people leave in public areas.
Keilch opened the container for a Chronicle reporter and photographer last week to view the contents, which included a box of vinyl records, a broken music keyboard, several backpacks and a TV set, in addition to shopping carts.
A homeless man who lost his cart holding blankets and new shoes a month ago, when he left it to go to Oakland to face charges of public intoxication, said Monday that he did not know about the storage program.
But George Williams, 60, said it would have been a lot of trouble to find the right city officials and get to West Berkeley to retrieve his stuff.
"I never followed up,'' said Williams, who was pushing a different cart full of blankets, some food and a bottle of vodka.
Hultman and other critics of city spending practices are also outraged that the city throws out shopping carts, with stores passing the cost of lost carts -- typically $100 apiece -- on to customers.
"The residents end up paying more for their groceries,'' said Marie Bowman, who fought against $8 million in proposed city taxes that voters rejected this month.
By contrast, San Francisco takes everything out of carts, separates perishable goods and charges businesses if identifiable carts are not picked up within a few days.
Hultman provided a copy of an e-mail he received dated Jan. 12 from Public Works Director René Cardinaux stating that "at one time, stores were called to pick up their carts and a service used to pick them up, (but) this no longer happens.''
Cardinaux was not in the office Monday, but Keilch acknowledged that many carts have been trashed in the past. He said the city is now planning to hold meetings with local retailers to find out what they want done.
"Sometimes, market officials have said they don't want the carts back, and so typically the city has been throwing them out,'' Keilch said. Also, many carts are damaged or have identifying information removed, he said.
In Berkeley, cart contents are often put in garbage bags, but carts themselves are also sometimes wheeled into the freezer car. Keilch said sifting through cart contents to separate material of value from junk can be risky because of hazards such as hypodermic needles.
Cardinaux told the City Council in October that an added benefit of buying a freezer car is that it could serve as a temporary morgue in cases of a major disaster. But the main reason, he said, was that the city attorney advised that a storage program was needed.
Berkeley Bowl general manager Dan Kataoka said he did not know of the storage program but his store actively tries to retrieve wayward carts. The store loses about 300 carts a year, although many are stolen for sale to other stores outside Berkeley, he said.
Roy Pervall, 57, who has been homeless for five years, said Monday that while the city usually doesn't actively sweep up carts, he is careful to avoid losing his stuff.
"I never leave mine (cart),'' he said. "I never go anywhere without it.''
E-mail Patrick Hoge at [email protected].
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Not only does the city pack carts and other belongings into a huge container in case folks want it back -- it also deep-freezes them for as long as 90 days.
About a year ago, Berkeley bought a 40-foot-long, 8-foot-wide refrigerated container for $8,200 after public works officials complained about vermin infesting carts stored at the city's outdoor corporation yard.
The city signed a five-year, $61,500 lease with Caltrans for land under the University Avenue overpass at Interstate 80 to put the container on, and ran power to the unit.
Deputy City Attorney Matthew Orebic said the city is heeding state law that requires storage of lost goods. He said it is not clear, however, that that law applies to unattended shopping carts because they may not be lost.
"We just do that to be safe and fair, to make sure that there's no argument that we've violated any laws and to be fair to the person,'' Orebic said. "What if you've got your medication in there?''
San Francisco and UC Berkeley also store homeless people's belongings as a result of lawsuits filed by homeless advocates, but they don't freeze them.
Critics say Berkeley's freezer program is an example of good intentions run amok. The city, which faces a $7.5 million deficit, should treat abandoned shopping carts as stolen property instead of worrying so much about the contents, they say.
"The amount of money wasted in this city is so outrageous it's ridiculous, '' said Jim Hultman, who learned of the cart freezing while fighting a $50,000- a-year program near his house that gave homeless people rented storage space.
But Orebic said it would be impractical, for legal and logistical reasons, for police to make a practice of seizing shopping carts from homeless people or charging them with misdemeanor theft charges.
Robert Long, coordinator of the Multi-Agency (homeless) Service Center in downtown Berkeley, said he was "conflicted'' about the storage program, but he knows that one person's trash is another person's treasure.
"I doubt that many of those carts will be claimed,'' Long said.
Marci Jordan, executive director of the Berkeley Food and Housing Project, said she would like the money spent on other projects. "I don't see it as an effective strategy,'' she said.
Deputy Public Works Director Patrick Keilch said very few items from the hundreds of carts picked up annually are retrieved. He estimated the annual cost of refrigerating the stuff at 0 to 6 degrees Fahrenheit at about $3,000.
"Being Berkeley, we're pretty tolerant and we bend over backward. What's the phrase? 'Walk a mile in my shoes,' " said Keilch, who estimated the city spends about $100,000 annually for two people to clean stuff that homeless people leave in public areas.
Keilch opened the container for a Chronicle reporter and photographer last week to view the contents, which included a box of vinyl records, a broken music keyboard, several backpacks and a TV set, in addition to shopping carts.
A homeless man who lost his cart holding blankets and new shoes a month ago, when he left it to go to Oakland to face charges of public intoxication, said Monday that he did not know about the storage program.
But George Williams, 60, said it would have been a lot of trouble to find the right city officials and get to West Berkeley to retrieve his stuff.
"I never followed up,'' said Williams, who was pushing a different cart full of blankets, some food and a bottle of vodka.
Hultman and other critics of city spending practices are also outraged that the city throws out shopping carts, with stores passing the cost of lost carts -- typically $100 apiece -- on to customers.
"The residents end up paying more for their groceries,'' said Marie Bowman, who fought against $8 million in proposed city taxes that voters rejected this month.
By contrast, San Francisco takes everything out of carts, separates perishable goods and charges businesses if identifiable carts are not picked up within a few days.
Hultman provided a copy of an e-mail he received dated Jan. 12 from Public Works Director René Cardinaux stating that "at one time, stores were called to pick up their carts and a service used to pick them up, (but) this no longer happens.''
Cardinaux was not in the office Monday, but Keilch acknowledged that many carts have been trashed in the past. He said the city is now planning to hold meetings with local retailers to find out what they want done.
"Sometimes, market officials have said they don't want the carts back, and so typically the city has been throwing them out,'' Keilch said. Also, many carts are damaged or have identifying information removed, he said.
In Berkeley, cart contents are often put in garbage bags, but carts themselves are also sometimes wheeled into the freezer car. Keilch said sifting through cart contents to separate material of value from junk can be risky because of hazards such as hypodermic needles.
Cardinaux told the City Council in October that an added benefit of buying a freezer car is that it could serve as a temporary morgue in cases of a major disaster. But the main reason, he said, was that the city attorney advised that a storage program was needed.
Berkeley Bowl general manager Dan Kataoka said he did not know of the storage program but his store actively tries to retrieve wayward carts. The store loses about 300 carts a year, although many are stolen for sale to other stores outside Berkeley, he said.
Roy Pervall, 57, who has been homeless for five years, said Monday that while the city usually doesn't actively sweep up carts, he is careful to avoid losing his stuff.
"I never leave mine (cart),'' he said. "I never go anywhere without it.''
E-mail Patrick Hoge at [email protected].
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