Who is pound for pound #1?

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MR. CLEEN

MR. CLEEN

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Berto would have gotten knocked out by Mosely my friend, and if Quintana was a harder puncher, he too would have knocked Berto out. Berto needs to get some defense before even thinking twice about that fight. Mosely blew Quintana out and would have knocked a very green Berto out.

Maybe you haven't heard the old saying All money aint good Money. Businesswise, you're right, Pac Man would be a fool to pass on that money. But I'm talking boxing wise. Manny is an even easier target to hit than Mosely. He'll be there to get hit and i think it will be even more personal when they get in the ring. It will be a career ending fight if Manny takes it. Look at all the punishment he has been taking lately at the hands of lesser opponents. Mayweather is going to hurt Manny bad. And don't get it twisted, he was trying to knock Mosley out but couldn't. Mosely is known for having a top 5 chin of all time. Manny??? I don't think so. We'll late fate play out and see what happens, but I got that bet bruh. And I aint even a betting man.
 
2-0-Sixx

2-0-Sixx

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MR. CLEEN said:
Berto would have gotten knocked out by Mosely my friend, and if Quintana was a harder puncher, he too would have knocked Berto out. Berto needs to get some defense before even thinking twice about that fight. Mosely blew Quintana out and would have knocked a very green Berto out.
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Just my opinion man.

Maybe you haven't heard the old saying All money aint good Money. Businesswise, you're right, Pac Man would be a fool to pass on that money. But I'm talking boxing wise. Manny is an even easier target to hit than Mosely. He'll be there to get hit and i think it will be even more personal when they get in the ring. It will be a career ending fight if Manny takes it. Look at all the punishment he has been taking lately at the hands of lesser opponents. Mayweather is going to hurt Manny bad. And don't get it twisted, he was trying to knock Mosley out but couldn't. Mosely is known for having a top 5 chin of all time. Manny??? I don't think so. We'll late fate play out and see what happens, but I got that bet bruh. And I aint even a betting man.
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This makes no sense. This is boxing, fight the best or don't fight. A loss isn't your career. Pacquiao said he will retire after 2-3 more fights, so it's now or never. Pacquiao isn't some up & coming star, if he were I'd agree with you. Knowing that his career will be over soon, and so will floyd's, they must fight, period.

Anyways, I have always maintained Floyd beats Pacquiao based on size and style, but it wouldn't be a beating, it would be a tough competitive fight. And who knows, crazier things have happened and Pac does have a chance. After all, people literally feared for Sugar Ray Leonard's life when he decided to fight the UNBEATABLE Marvin Hagler.

And where did I say Pac had top 5 chins all time? lmao, I said he was one of the best chins in the game right now. He walked through cotto's punches like they were pillows man. You don't do that with an average or weak chin.

EDIT. I see you said Mosley had a top 5 chin of all time. Um, no. Hell no. Not even close. He has a great chin, never been ko'd but top 5 all time? that's a huge stretch bro.
 
2-0-Sixx

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$8 million dollars he was offered to fight Margarito.

And Mr. Cleen you actin like Floyd is some mike tyson in the ring. He rarely beats people down. Career ending? Who's career has floyd ever ended???

Look he had an awesome performance against Shane, one of his career bests no doubt, but you placing mosley to high man, you've done this before. Mosley isn't the same beast he once was. Shane Mosley in his prime was on of the best....ever. Not 38 years old though, still an awesome fighter, still a top welterweight, but he's not the same guy. His legs are gone. You need to except that.

It's like Bernard Hopkins, after he lost to taylor you knew he wasn't the same guy in his prime. But he was still good enough to whoop tarver and pavlik, but those guys were tailor made for b-hop. Just like Margarito was tailor made for shane. It's a bit deceiving. You think, oh wow Hopkins destroyed pavlik who is a pound 4 pound star, and yet he looked like hot garbage against a shot roy jones. You forget he's not the same guy. That's age and that's what has happened to shane. Still good but far from his prime.
 
Lamberto Quintero

Lamberto Quintero

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I like to recognize skill and I do, Floyd's a fuckin genius when it comes to boxing. But, I also respect a fighter taking a fight when he knows it's going to be tough and has the possibility of losing. Floyd's NEVER taking a fight like that in his career, which is why a lot of people don't respect him. He's ducked a lot of fighters in his career and true boxing fans know what's up with his perfect record.

Floyd would never do something like JMM did in taking the fight against him, that takes balls and that's a true warrior. Floyd is an entertainer and an athlete, but he's never been a warrior, point blank.
 
MR. CLEEN

MR. CLEEN

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Hey I don't mind Pac fighting Mayweather, it's good for the fans. If I was Pac Man's manager, you know a loss is imminent and so knowing that, telling your man to fight for money's sake means you don't truly care about him as a man. That's my point personally. As a fan, let's get it over with so we can get on to what's next.

Mosely= Top 5 chin in my book. Pacquiao has great whiskers fam, but no where near the whiskers Mosely has. I don't even think Mayweather has a Mosely type chin. Mayweather could have been closed out, but it didn't happen and so be it.

Pac Man will get the bizness worse than Mosely, so the more competitve fight talk goes out the window. Pac Man is way too much of a risk taker, and Mayweathers precision punching is taylor made to destroy a fighter like Pac Man.
 
MR. CLEEN

MR. CLEEN

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Never said Floyd was Tyson lol. Now you puttin too much on it. But i do believe his volume punching will not only wear Pac down, but eventually lead to a TKO
 
MR. CLEEN

MR. CLEEN

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My argument was based on you saying Mosely is no longer at the elite level, now you saying he still is a top fighter. Which one is it? A top fighter equates to elite fighter in my book, and all fighters have a off night or more in there career, especially the older fighters.

Of course all athletes including boxers will begin to lose their skills as they get older and depending on the level of punishing fights they have been through. Mosely has had his share of wars and age is not on his side, we know this. But styles make fights and Shane was clearly not a skilled enough boxer now or earlier in his career to try to match wits with Floyd. With that being said, neither is Pacquiao or the other 40 fighters he has beaten. I say he will end Pacquiaos career because Pacquiao is too brave, not because Mayweather is a heavy puncher. Pac won't back down after getting hit, and that will be his downfall. And like you said, Pacquiao aint a spring chicken either and I believe Mayweather will be delivering punches with more bad intentions behind them than he did against Mosely
 
Lamberto Quintero

Lamberto Quintero

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^ I think you're right saying that Pac is too brave for his own good, and he does take a lot of shots. But how else is one supposed to get to PBF? The difference between Manny and PBF is that Manny WILL take a chance at getting knocked out to try and win, never relying on running away. It may be his downfall, as you say, but it is also why so many fans love to see him fight...
 
2-0-Sixx

2-0-Sixx

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MR. CLEEN said:
My argument was based on you saying Mosely is no longer at the elite level, now you saying he still is a top fighter. Which one is it? A top fighter equates to elite fighter in my book, and all fighters have a off night or more in there career, especially the older fighters.
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I said he's a top welterewight, not an elite fighter. I guess it depends on how you want to define "elite" which I admit is difficult to do.

I think if Pac were to fight Mosley he'd fight similar to how he fought against Oscar de la hoya. Smart, staying on the outside or keeping a safe distance then bouncing in and out using his speed and angles to win, not his power. Mosley still has fast hands, but his footwork isn't nearly as good as it once was. Pac would frustrate mosley so bad with his speed, timing and his unpredictable nature. He wouldn't fight mosley toe to toe like he did cotto. And once Mosley starts to slow down, starts showing fatigue, that's when Pac would really pick it up another notch because if there is one thing about Pacquiao is stamina is unrivaled. Mosley would be stopped late.


I say he will end Pacquiaos career because Pacquiao is too brave, not because Mayweather is a heavy puncher. Pac won't back down after getting hit, and that will be his downfall
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Even if that were true, which I don't believe, and pac were stopped his career wouldn't be over. Mayweather isn't brutal enough to be a career ender. Shit, the worst beating Floyd ever dished out was against an old Gatti and that wasn't even a career ender.
 
MR. CLEEN

MR. CLEEN

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I feel you, but a brawlers mentality is also the reason why so many fighters are walking around debilitated by the injuries that they have suffered over the course of their careers. It's your entertainment and his life. None of his fans will be there in the hospital when he is comatose at 44 or pissing blood or living with Parkinsons Disesease ala Ali.
 
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2-0-Sixx

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MR. CLEEN said:
I feel you, but a brawlers mentality is also the reason why so many fighters are walking around debilitated by the injuries that they have suffered over the course of their careers. It's your entertainment and his life. None of his fans will be there in the hospital when he is comatose at 44 or pissing blood or living with Parkinsons Disesease ala Ali.
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This means nothing though in this conversation. This is boxing. That's part of the nature of the game, it comes with the territory. Not everyone can be, or would want to be, a floyd mayweather or a pernell whitaker. Many guys take great pride in being warriors and would literally give their lives for the sport. And honestly, if it weren't for that type of mentality the sport would have died a long time ago.
 
MR. CLEEN

MR. CLEEN

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@2-0-6... That quote wasn't for you, it was my answer to Lamberto's last statement to me

I believe the difference between Mosley and De La Hoya is the condition the fighter will be in when they enter the ring. DLH was beaten before he even got in the ring. DLH had to kill himself to get down to that weight and therefore was a shot fighter in that ring. had they fought at 154 where Mayweather fought him, it would have been a different fight.

Mosely is a natural Welterweight at this point in his career so he will have alot more steam than DLH had. I agree with you on the footwork, but it was even hard for Floyd to hit him in the first couple of rounds, and if Manny jumps in, he will also get timed and hit with a vicious right. Mark my word, Manny will try and become a boxer and it won't work.
 
MR. CLEEN

MR. CLEEN

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Hey in my opinion alot of those fighters have no choice. They have to depend on brawling because they weren't blessed with top level boxing skills and reflexes. That's what the MMA is for. Fighters who couldn't make it in the Sweet Science and don't care if they can talk or walk 20 years from now. And you're wrong, plenty fighter would love to have what Floyd and Sweet Pea had, but when you don't have that, you have to embrace what you do have.
 
MOREBASS

MOREBASS

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Cleen, if we go back and look to see if your claim of "Manny being easier to hit than Shane"...we have to look at a recent common opponent: Miguel Cotto.

Cotto landed 248 total punches on Mosley through 12 rounds

Cotto landed 172 total punches on Pacquiao through 11 full rounds + change


I'm not sure where you are getting this idea from, but Mosley's style of fighting and lack of footwork allows him to be hit just as often, in this case much more often, than Manny's in/out/lateral style.


Seems like your asessments of Manny are based on the brawler of old, and not the two handed boxer-puncher.
 
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