What comes after death?

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HERESY

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Stockton, I have a question for you. Out of all the different instances the bible speaks of that talks about a person being raised from the dead (on the spot), have you EVER read something where a person was raised from the dead and given a new body? When Lazarus was raised from the dead did he have a new body? When Yeshi raised the damsel from the dead did some other persons soul come up instead of hers?

Heb. 9:27
 
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Stockton209SS said:
OK Warrior of Shiva,
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Stockton209SS said:
and son of Kristna!
*looks around for Jesus*


Stockton209SS said:
I'm not gonna bother reading the rest of your stuff, or matter of fact respond to it. I have read them all but I don't need to prove myself to you.
Whoever said you needed to prove yourself to me?


Stockton209SS said:
I'm just going to respond to what I quoted. I do believe in a soul, and that the Body is Different. Your body doesn't matter when you die, it's all about the Soul. The Soul is not DEAD, as you assume I say. The Soul is asleep, and will be awaken on the First Resurrection. The Body becomes dust, and our souls become Transfigured as like Heavenly bodies. Almost Christ like, but not quite.
You did refer to the soul being dead. I am not assuming. It is what you said:
"you're sould remains asleep and not aware that it is dead" -Stockton209SS

Anyway, where exactly is this "sleeping" soul?


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916 how come you have 5150 at the end of your name if you're not crazy?
Is this supposed to be comparable to my observation of a statement you made regarding the soul? I hope not. You would be foolish to think that the screen name I use has anything to do with the points we're discussing.


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Edit: To add on to this, you don't become Transfigured when you die, you become tranfigured when Yeshua Establishes New Yerushalem.
Yeru shalem... Is this like Yadu Ishalayam, the township of the Yadu dynasty of which Krishna is chief?
 
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You did refer to the soul being dead. I am not assuming. It is what you said:
"you're sould remains asleep and not aware that it is dead" -Stockton209SS

Anyway, where exactly is this "sleeping" soul?
In the Grave, The Soul Remains asleep, and is not Aware that the Body Has Died.
 
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Oh Heresy, remember Lazarus was not in Heaven Yet, but in Paradise or Abraham's Bosom. Where many righteous wait for God the Father to Take them. Since he was not yet In heaven, I think Jesus gave Lazarus raised him from the Dead, to allow him to live a better life.
 

HERESY

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I'm not talking about that Lazarus. Two exist in the new testament. One is found in John 11 the other in Luke 16:19-31. I'm talking about the one in John 11. When he was raised from the dead was he given a new body?

Also, do you believe in this:

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.
 
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Nope, He had the Same Body, he rose Lazarus for the Purpose that those who kept weeping would believe he was son of Elohim, and that he was the Resurrection. Everyone was weeping, while he Groaned or as it says was troubled in the Spirit. Look At Chapter 11:24, they couldn't wait til the Resurrection. It troubled Jesus because he knew, that they should all Believe he was sent By God.
 
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Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.

Also Christ in Verse 41 ..."Father I thank thee that thou hast heard me" Read 42 and it explains itself.
 
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Yes, I do believe there is a life after this one. I believe that each and every one of us has a purpose her on earth. Before we came to earth. God had a plan for us but we can't remember unless we go to church and read the scriptures.
 
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Church sometimes Indoctrinates you, and makes you feel you need to Follow the Church instead of Christs Teachings. Read my Sig, but I doesn't hurt to ask Pastor or Preachers for Interpretations.
 
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Hebrews 9:27 leaves no room for Christians to believe in any kind of reincarnation. Men are to die but once, yet I am still not certain as to what gets judged after death, the soul? If so, in what form does the soul present itself? All open to interpretation.
 
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HERESY said:
No, I just proved that once again you jump to conclusions. Again, if a person is saying they based their beliefs off of experience that can mean several things. In my case, when I have been asked why I beleive the way I do, I refer to these experiences (proof of this may be found in this forum.) So, once again stop jumping to conclusions. :)
You can't have it both ways. Either I ask for definitions, or I assume a term is being used in a general sense. Cry about it.


HERESY said:
If you claim that some god did that thats between you and him/her. I have nothing to do with it. In fact, I don't even care.:)
Super.


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HERESY said:
Stop lying. No one said or implied that most people use reincarnation as a way of justifying anything. Here is what I said:
You're right. I overlooked the reference to "this spinning". And on that note, I agree with you. When someone tries to rationalize something like reincarnation on the basis of something that does not specifically explain reincarnation, they are most likely trying to justify some sinful motive. My apologies for that.


HERESY said:
Do you see this? I specifically stated that those who claim to follow THE BIBLE and hold these beliefs (the belief in reincarnation) misinterpret scriptures and spin it to justify living a certain lifestyle. Did I say anything about most people? No! :dead:
I understand what you are saying now. Though my inclusion of "most people" came about from your referring to people "often times" with such a motive.


HERESY said:
You are arguing a point that was NEVER stated NOR implied, so that would mean YOUR statement holds no weight.
Again, you're right. It was my mistake.


HERESY said:
Useless info. My statement was limited to so-called christians who claim to follow the bible and also believe in reincarnation. You just typed a couple of paragraphs attempting to refute a position that I never made.
Yes.


HERESY said:
Sure pal. Toss up a percentage so we can all see.
You wouldn't believe me if I did. You'll have to make that study for yourself. For example, I know Indian people in India who feel that a simple thing like air conditioning is an indulgence. In that culture, people are more mindful of avoiding unnecessary sense gratification and in turn are less likely to use Vedic Scripture to justify sinful activities.


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Sure buddy.

Next time read the posts in depth instead of wasting my time with cosmic crapola and morpheus talk. We are in the real world here, and it is obvious that you are stuck in some movie script or "past life" where you were some pseudo-sage or something. Please, just stop talking.
Now what does any of this have to do with anything? All this stuff about "cosmic crapola", "morpheus talk" and "movie script". To what are you referring? Why do you just type words blatantly? If I make a mistake, at least it is meant to be in reference to something you say, and we can clear it up on that basis. But you're just throwing out all kinds of attacks without even attempting to give them reference. Where is my "cosmic crapola"? Where is my "morpheus talk"? Why is it obvious that I am stuck in a movie script or past life where I was a pseudo-sage? At least I am talking in attempt to make a point. Here you are just talking.
 
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enserio said:
Hebrews 9:27 leaves no room for Christians to believe in any kind of reincarnation. Men are to die but once, yet I am still not certain as to what gets judged after death, the soul? If so, in what form does the soul present itself? All open to interpretation.
Well Since Jesus was the Final Sacrifice, all who believed in Him would not be judged to death but rather be part of the Resurrection. So instead of the Soul Returning directly to God the Father for Judgement, It will be for Christ to Judge when he comes Again. Until that time, the Souls will remain Asleep, and when they hear the Voice of the Lord as Lazarus did, they shall awaken.
 
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You're just Circle Talking once again, go post some Pics of Kristna on the Religious Art Thread. Damn foo you act like by persisting to be a Bug, you'll win or something!