What comes after death?
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No.
Indeed.
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No harm done.
No harm done.
No harm done.
(and I would have you know I typed that out three times instead of cut and pasting it.)
Those same people can overheat and tip over and they will find some justification for it. Imho, these people are just like the jews that misinterpreted scripture and bound themselves under severe laws because they thought they were "righteous".
No one is typing words blatently. As to why I am typing them the reason should be quite obvious. You want me to type them.
Sure my words have reference, but they are not attacks. They are personal opinions that I have that are derived from your statements and spinning. You caused this, not I, so just go through the motions.
See above.
Indeed.
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No harm done.
No harm done.
No harm done.
(and I would have you know I typed that out three times instead of cut and pasting it.)
Those same people can overheat and tip over and they will find some justification for it. Imho, these people are just like the jews that misinterpreted scripture and bound themselves under severe laws because they thought they were "righteous".
No one is typing words blatently. As to why I am typing them the reason should be quite obvious. You want me to type them.
Sure my words have reference, but they are not attacks. They are personal opinions that I have that are derived from your statements and spinning. You caused this, not I, so just go through the motions.
See above.
I'll make it EASY for you. Instead of asking you to demonstrate my "circle talking" from before that constitutes the possibility of doing it "again", just please demonstrate to me how I am "circle talking" now.
If you can't demonstrate the accusation you made then doesn't that mean that your accusation is baseless?
I asked where the soul resides when it is in this sleeping state. You say it is in the grave. Well, not everyone has a grave. Have you not heard of being cremated? So where is the soul in that case? It is a legitimate question.
If you can't demonstrate the accusation you made then doesn't that mean that your accusation is baseless?
I asked where the soul resides when it is in this sleeping state. You say it is in the grave. Well, not everyone has a grave. Have you not heard of being cremated? So where is the soul in that case? It is a legitimate question.
Yes, the soul is judged, and the soul IS the man. It is my belief that the soul presents itself in fashion similar to our bodies. What I am saying is the soul probably resembles us in some way, but actually looks different because it is made of a different substance. The soul could also present itself as a sparkle of light, or some sphere or something. Again, my beliefe is that the soul looks like us in some fashion, yet it is distinct from the flesh and how the flesh looks.
This body is simply a shell, and it is what comes from inside of us that is judged.
This body is simply a shell, and it is what comes from inside of us that is judged.
The situation for these people isn't so extreme that they will overheat and tip over. It is not a case of seeking the most uncomfortable situation either. Also, you agreed with the concept that our thinking or acting as though enjoyers or controllers constitutes sinful activity. So how are you going to turn around now and say that such people are binding themselves under severe laws?
In any case, my point was to show how common people to this Vedic culture are very averse toward thinking or acting as enjoyers or controllers. To whatever extreme they personally decide to take it, that is up to them. On the otherhand, I have met and read about lots of Christians (most in my experience) who feel that sense enjoyment, however slight, is perfectly fine to seek. As a whole, again from my experience, followers of Vedic culture tend to be more disciplined toward spiritual life than Christians. India is actually rather famous for it's spirituality.
Why do you think I want you to type them?
How are they derived from my statements? That is my question. First please explain this derivation, and then we can move on to the "spinning" aspect.
In any case, my point was to show how common people to this Vedic culture are very averse toward thinking or acting as enjoyers or controllers. To whatever extreme they personally decide to take it, that is up to them. On the otherhand, I have met and read about lots of Christians (most in my experience) who feel that sense enjoyment, however slight, is perfectly fine to seek. As a whole, again from my experience, followers of Vedic culture tend to be more disciplined toward spiritual life than Christians. India is actually rather famous for it's spirituality.
Why do you think I want you to type them?
How are they derived from my statements? That is my question. First please explain this derivation, and then we can move on to the "spinning" aspect.
I agree. Though here is my problem:
Why is it that Christians only understand the soul in reference to the body? For example, the soul takes birth with body, then at death the soul either ceases existing or goes to "sleep", and finally the body is resurrected and the soul starts existing again or comes out of sleep. If the soul is truly the man and the body simply a shell, then why is the understanding of the soul always in reference to the material body? This is what I am getting at with Stockton. He says that the sleeping soul is in the grave, with the body I suppose. So once again we have another case of thinking of the soul in relation to the body. Why is this?
Why is it that Christians only understand the soul in reference to the body? For example, the soul takes birth with body, then at death the soul either ceases existing or goes to "sleep", and finally the body is resurrected and the soul starts existing again or comes out of sleep. If the soul is truly the man and the body simply a shell, then why is the understanding of the soul always in reference to the material body? This is what I am getting at with Stockton. He says that the sleeping soul is in the grave, with the body I suppose. So once again we have another case of thinking of the soul in relation to the body. Why is this?
A conversation takes 2 or more people, yet it isn't circle talk until I say something. How convenient for you!
Anyway, this is just a cop out. You haven't actually determined that the conversation is going nowhere. In my last post I explained what I was getting at. I typically like to ask questions so we can understand these things systematically and not have to backtrack so much. Regarding the soul, I want to know why you think of it always in relation to the body. You say that you do believe in a soul different from the body, yet you always place it in reference to bodily cosiderations. It is sort of like saying, "the forest isn't the trees. They are different." but then every reference you have to the forest concerns the trees. Similarly, you say the soul is different from the body, but everything regarding the soul pertains to the body. Do you understand my concern?
Anyway, this is just a cop out. You haven't actually determined that the conversation is going nowhere. In my last post I explained what I was getting at. I typically like to ask questions so we can understand these things systematically and not have to backtrack so much. Regarding the soul, I want to know why you think of it always in relation to the body. You say that you do believe in a soul different from the body, yet you always place it in reference to bodily cosiderations. It is sort of like saying, "the forest isn't the trees. They are different." but then every reference you have to the forest concerns the trees. Similarly, you say the soul is different from the body, but everything regarding the soul pertains to the body. Do you understand my concern?
How does this follow? Because the body is a temple or shell, therefore the soul must always be understood in reference to the body? How is that?
Fine. The soul remains asleep. Why, because the body is dead? Once again, why is your understanding of a supposedly different soul, always referenced as same as body? Where is the actual difference, aside from your assertion that it is?
Fine. The soul remains asleep. Why, because the body is dead? Once again, why is your understanding of a supposedly different soul, always referenced as same as body? Where is the actual difference, aside from your assertion that it is?
When you get Sucker Punched and it Knocks you out, it's a good chance you won't know what hit you. When you're in a Coma, doctors have said that your brain is Not aware that you have been asleep. Same goes for your soul, I understand you now. When you're Body dies off, your Soul goes to sleep because that was it's only Host or Temple or Shell. It can't go from Body to Body, so it Sleeps. In the bible, once the Body has died, the soul doesn't, but rather sleeps til the First Resurrection.
Because I have yet to understand, even theoretically, a difference between body and soul in light of what you believe. It is simply an assertion you are making, but every example you give relates the soul with the body. If you say that the hand exists independently of the arm, then should I just accept that assertion even though every reference you give to the hand is in regard to the arm?
I understand that the brain can be tricked by the subconscious. For example, you can have a dream that seems to last for hours but actually only did for mere minutes. All these considerations, they relate to bodily life.
Why can't the soul go from body to body? Consider, why did the soul take one body to begin with? What is the reason we have taken bodily life at all? Do you believe that it was God's Personal desire for souls to take bodies?
Also, can you refer me to the verse or verses that explain how the soul sleeps after bodily death. Thanks.
Why can't the soul go from body to body? Consider, why did the soul take one body to begin with? What is the reason we have taken bodily life at all? Do you believe that it was God's Personal desire for souls to take bodies?
Also, can you refer me to the verse or verses that explain how the soul sleeps after bodily death. Thanks.