What comes after death?

[n9newunsixx5150]

So anyway, we'll just go with the mundane dictionary definition:

Spiritual means of or pertaining to the spirit or soul. So what makes heaven and hell any more spiritual than earth? Earthly existence also pertains to spirits or souls. So what distinguishes the "spiritual realm" from this current realm?

By the way, I understand you dance (with no gloves now, supposedly) because you THINK that my intentions are to find fault. Of course, if there appears to be a fault, you, being so intelligent, can certainly defeat it! And yes, I am referring to an insult you personally identified with. The gloves are off, right? So say what you have to say. If "the gloves are off" simply means that you continue to avoid reason and push rhetoric then NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

 

[HERESY]

So anyway, we'll just go with the mundane dictionary definition:

Spiritual means of or pertaining to the spirit or soul. So what makes heaven and hell any more spiritual than earth? Earthly existence also pertains to spirits or souls. So what distinguishes the "spiritual realm" from this current realm?

By the way, I understand you dance (with no gloves now, supposedly) because you THINK that my intentions are to find fault. Of course, if there appears to be a fault, you, being so intelligent, can certainly defeat it! And yes, I am referring to an insult you personally identified with. The gloves are off, right? So say what you have to say. If "the gloves are off" simply means that you continue to avoid reason and push rhetoric then NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

No way.

 

[EDJ]

YS,
YOU STRESSED, "The child would probably go to heaven or reincarnated, the child or baby is innocent, and she or he didn't do anything wrong, so why should the child or baby go to hell and not take reincarnation for?"

WHAT YOU MEAN? IT CAN'T BE BOTH. IF IT'S CONTRADICTORY BELIEFS FROM EACH PARENT, WHAT REALLY HAPPENS? AND WHO SAID YOU gO TO HEAVEN? THEN WHY DID (gOD) EVEN MAKE AN EARTH IF OUR ULTIMATE DESTINY IS HEAVEN?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "For the mother, I just don't know, it's probably God's judgement on this. The mother would probably be innocent too, unless of course, if she makes any harm to the child/baby. If the baby died, it's not her fault unless she wanted the baby or child dead, she probably deserves the punishment."

THE BITCH IS HINDU, SHE BELIEVES IN REICARNATION, NOT NO HEAVEN AND NOT THE gOD OF THE BIBLE BUT LORD KRISHNA.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I don't know, why ya ask?"

JUST MAKIN' A POINT THAT NOT ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME OR IN OTHA WORDS, THAT ALL BELIEFS ARE TRUE. ONE UNIVERSE, ONE EARTH, ONE TRUTH.

NINEWUNSIX5150,

YOU STRESSED, "Why do you define the "you" as the body, and the "spirit" as something else?"

CAUSE YOU = SPIRIT IN THE FLESH. SPIRIT = YOUR LIFE FORCE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "The baby reincarnates into heaven or hell."

YOU SOUND LIKE YOU MORPHED BELIEFS. gET THE FUK OUTTA HERE.

 

[2-0-NINE]

I have a question, I understand 916 about his stand on Reincarnation. EDJ or Heresy do you guys see reincarnation as really a rebirth where you become something after death. Or do you think that reincarnation is just Ashes to Ashes, dust to dust, where your body returns to the earth as it came? I already have my opinion or view on it, just curious about anyone else, not necessarily only EDJ or Heresy but anyone.

 

[EDJ]

^REINCARNATION IS NOT BIBLE BASED. I LEFT A SCRIPTURE TO THE BASE OF MY BELIEF AND IT'S TRUE, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE. ECCL. 9:5. READ IT.
WHAT DID (gOD) TELL ADAM WHEN HE EXPULSED HIM FROM THE gARDEN OF EDEN? (gEN. 3:19)

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

I have a question, I understand 916 about his stand on Reincarnation. EDJ or Heresy do you guys see reincarnation as really a rebirth where you become something after death. Or do you think that reincarnation is just Ashes to Ashes, dust to dust, where your body returns to the earth as it came? I already have my opinion or view on it, just curious about anyone else, not necessarily only EDJ or Heresy but anyone.

How is the body returning to the earth a type of reincarnation? I don't follow.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

^REINCARNATION IS NOT BIBLE BASED. I LEFT A SCRIPTURE TO THE BASE OF MY BELIEF AND IT'S TRUE, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE. ECCL. 9:5. READ IT.

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. (KJV)

Of course the dead know not any thing. The dead are rotting bodies. But what to speak of immortal souls?

WHAT DID (gOD) TELL ADAM WHEN HE EXPULSED HIM FROM THE gARDEN OF EDEN? (gEN. 3:19)

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. (KJV)

Obviously this is referring to the flesh body. Once again, what to speak of the immortal soul?

 

[2-0-NINE]

How is the body returning to the earth a type of reincarnation? I don't follow.

When you die, you become as your were made, out of the Dust of the Earth.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Of course the dead know not any thing. The dead are rotting bodies. But what to speak of immortal souls?

Obviously this is referring to the flesh body. Once again, what to speak of the immortal soul?

Man, we're not talking about Hindu Views, no offense. The Dead is the souls, when they die, they know nothing. That's why if I saw my dead Grandfather, I know it to be a demon, to get me to loose focus.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

NINEWUNSIX5150,

YOU STRESSED, "Why do you define the "you" as the body, and the "spirit" as something else?"

CAUSE YOU = SPIRIT IN THE FLESH. SPIRIT = YOUR LIFE FORCE.

Well, I understand that you believe this. I am asking why. Is there some reasoning? Does the Bible even explicitly describe what is the self? I have not seen such an explanation. Instead, I have seen verses that refer to an individual regarding their material existence. But that of course does not automatically draw the conclusion you have made. Perhaps I am missing something though.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "The baby reincarnates into heaven or hell."

YOU SOUND LIKE YOU MORPHED BELIEFS. gET THE FUK OUTTA HERE.

No. I haven't morphed beliefs. Actually, concerning "heaven", I am not exactly sure what is it's nature; whether it is supposed to be the eternal, spiritual realm, or simply a highly elevated position within the material manifestation. If it is the latter, then it follows that one will take some type of body. Hence reincarnation. Regarding hell, if it is a place of torment, it also requires a body. Hence reincarnation. Though I understand you believe hell is simply death (the grave). So on that basis, there certainly is no reincarnation since there is no more existence of self.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

When you die, you become as your were made, out of the Dust of the Earth.

Well, that's not really reincarnation. Reincarnation constitutes the living entity as taking one body and then taking another. So the constant is the living entity itself. You are talking about the body decomposing into the earth, which doesn't regard the living entity taking another body nor necessarily even the living entity being a constant.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Man, we're not talking about Hindu Views, no offense. The Dead is the souls, when they die, they know nothing. That's why if I saw my dead Grandfather, I know it to be a demon, to get me to loose focus.

Your thinking so much in labels is what prevents you from understanding.

The dead is the souls, according to you, but then what to speak of a relationship with an eternal God?

 

[HERESY]

Stockton, I do not believe in reincarnation. I do not believe in multiple chances to atone for your wrong doings or to get it right. I do not believe in the soul leaving this body (at death) and entering another body. My belief system is based on experience, and the bible (and some non-cannonical works), and these concepts are NOT taught in the scriptures, but those who claim to follow the bible and do hold these beliefs misinterpret scriptures and spin it. Often times the motive of this spinning is to justify a certain lifestyle or living in sin.

 

[EDJ]

^WHAT ARE THESE NON-CANNONICAL WORKS YOU SPEAK OF?

 

[HERESY]

For example the Books of Enoch and the book of Jasher (which is mentioned in the Bible.)

 

[2-0-NINE]

Stockton, I do not believe in reincarnation. I do not believe in multiple chances to atone for your wrong doings or to get it right. I do not believe in the soul leaving this body (at death) and entering another body. My belief system is based on experience, and the bible (and some non-cannonical works), and these concepts are NOT taught in the scriptures, but those who claim to follow the bible and do hold these beliefs misinterpret scriptures and spin it. Often times the motive of this spinning is to justify a certain lifestyle or living in sin.

I don't either, as you have seen my posts in the Past about the Soul remaining asleep as mentioned in the Book of Acts, which stated David's Sepulchre remains on earth, and he sleeps. He has not ascended into heaven yet. I know Heresy, that's famous in Orthodox Judaism and other non-christian Religions. Don't worry bro, I haven't wondered off.

 

[Tha Sinner]

I don't either, as you have seen my posts in the Past about the Soul remaining asleep as mentioned in the Book of Acts, which stated David's Sepulchre remains on earth, and he sleeps. He has not ascended into heaven yet. I know Heresy, that's famous in Orthodox Judaism and other non-christian Religions. Don't worry bro, I haven't wondered off.

it remained on earth bekause the gates of heaven were not opened yet....same wit moses abraham and all them other niggas......

and reinkarnation is fake as hell....there were only two persons in the earth at the biggining...that means that there were two souls....which would reincarnate to TWO people.....where did the other souls kome from? did someone make kopies of souls?....do we have bootlegg souls?...i ask myself

 

[2-0-NINE]

Elijah, Enoch, and Moses are in Heaven, and I'm pretty Sure so is Abraham. But everyone else is asleep, EVEN THE 12 DISCIPLES.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Moses and Elijah will come back, they're the two witnesses who end up being murdered.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Stockton, I do not believe in reincarnation. I do not believe in multiple chances to atone for your wrong doings or to get it right. I do not believe in the soul leaving this body (at death) and entering another body. My belief system is based on experience, and the bible (and some non-cannonical works), and these concepts are NOT taught in the scriptures, but those who claim to follow the bible and do hold these beliefs misinterpret scriptures and spin it. Often times the motive of this spinning is to justify a certain lifestyle or living in sin.

(bold emphasis added)

If your belief system was based on experience then you would understand the concept of changing bodies to flow logically. Think about it. You once had the body of a small child, then you had the body of a teenager, then you took the body of an adult. Thus you are always changing bodies. Death simply means another change. At death, the question becomes whether or not you have met requisites for changing the status quo of continuous bodily change. This is where the purpose of religion comes in. Ideally, after this human form you should take your pure, spiritual body and never have to change again. This is done by appealling to God. Without appealling to God we suffer more bodily change, which includes death, disease and old age. Then there is the possibility of hell, which is a much greater degree of suffering. All these sufferings will continue perpetually so long as we remain attached to pleasing the body over pleasing God.

Although reincarnation may be used by some to justify living in sin, so are plenty of Biblical concepts. The problem is, not many Christians I have met really know what it means to sin. To put it simply, in any moment that we presume in thought and/or action as being enjoyers or controllers, that constitutes a sin. This is our 'missing the mark' because we are not factually enjoyers and controllers. We are the enjoyed and the controlled. The real enjoyer and controller is GOD. Any amount of enjoyment or control we receive is a result of pleasing God. As soon as we think or presume (in action, without thought) ourselves to be in God's position, we fall. So apply this reasoning to so many Christians who think that indulging in animal killing for sense gratification is ok. Or even just to enjoy that Snickers bar you picked up from the store. Apply this also to Christians who believe that unregulated sexual enjoyment is justified on the basis of marriage. There are so many things that Christians justify as "being fruitful", but are really just taking enjoyment that is not in reciprocation with God. I can have a field day on the sinful justifications that can and are being made with the Bible.