What comes after death?
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I'm not even going to bite into the idea that Adam and Eve constituted the beginning of the earth and human life. I'll just say that "replenish" is a word that pops up in a paragraph of possible translations for Genesis 1:28. Though if you're going to limit your scope of history to the Bible, then you're going to miss out on a lot.
Anyway, even accepting the premise that Adam and Eve were the first humans on earth, this does not equate to there being only 2 souls. A soul is not defined as "human". A soul is simply a living entity. Every individual unit of life is a unique soul. On top of this, you are limiting souls to the earth planet. Just because the Bible does not speak about life on other planets does NOT in any way mean that earth is the only planet populated with living entities. The fact that the Bible doesn't speak of other planets just shows that it is only focused on humans dwelling on earth. This makes sense since the Bible has been revealed to humans dwelling on earth. So you have two factors to consider: all living entities are souls, and life exists in other locations than earth. This adds quite a bit to your "2".
Anyway, even accepting the premise that Adam and Eve were the first humans on earth, this does not equate to there being only 2 souls. A soul is not defined as "human". A soul is simply a living entity. Every individual unit of life is a unique soul. On top of this, you are limiting souls to the earth planet. Just because the Bible does not speak about life on other planets does NOT in any way mean that earth is the only planet populated with living entities. The fact that the Bible doesn't speak of other planets just shows that it is only focused on humans dwelling on earth. This makes sense since the Bible has been revealed to humans dwelling on earth. So you have two factors to consider: all living entities are souls, and life exists in other locations than earth. This adds quite a bit to your "2".
Man, WTF, I do believe in a Soul. I believe according to Scripture, you're sould remains asleep and not aware that it is dead, but also remains asleep until the 1st Resurrection or the 2nd Coming of Christ. Don't tell me what I do or don't believe. For that matter, if always are trying to block our interpretations of biblical Scripture, then I might as well say Yeshua will burn the Book of Hinduism. I don't get you sometimes, you're a big headache. I'm pretty much cool with everyone on here, but you're just a headache. Doesn't mean I hate you, but you're undescribable without words, just frustrating.
No, thats what YOU would understand, or thats what you want me to understand. First of all do you know my definition of experience? If I am saying I believe this way because I had an experience where God came to me himself and spoke to me that would render your point invalid. If I said "experience" constitutes an interaction or revealtion from GOD HIMSELF that renders your point invalid. Please, stop jumping to conclusions.
SEE ABOVE. All I did was cut and paste this, and to tell you the truth I don't even know what it says (because I didn't read it.)
No diasgreement here.
O.K.
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So can I. I can also have a field day with the vedas and other hindu and indian teachings that have contributed to billions of impoverished people in India. Will I take my time to do it? No way.
SEE ABOVE. All I did was cut and paste this, and to tell you the truth I don't even know what it says (because I didn't read it.)
No diasgreement here.
O.K.
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So can I. I can also have a field day with the vedas and other hindu and indian teachings that have contributed to billions of impoverished people in India. Will I take my time to do it? No way.
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Oh really? Then you should be able to explain to me what is this "soul" in contrast to the material body. Also, is the soul "asleep" or "dead" according to you? "you're sould remains asleep and not aware that it is dead" - You begin this sentence regarding the soul as a separate entity (from the body that is dead) and then you end it by equating the soul with the body (i.e. implying that it, the soul, is dead). The more you attempt to talk about a soul, the more apparent it becomes that you don't know what you're talking about. Your whole conception lies in the scope of bodily life, and therefore does not concern any entity, "soul". Just see, you understand your existence as beginning at bodily birth and ending at bodily death (where the body/soul is "asleep" or dead, and then you believe there will be a resurrection of the body/soul. It is clear that 'body' and 'soul' are interchangable terms for you. On this basis I say that you don't believe in an actual soul. You believe just as the atheists and materialists believe - that your existence pertains to the body. The only modification you make is the belief that your bodily existence will be resurrected at some point, wherefrom you will start existing again.
I don't have to tell you. You already know that you don't actually believe in any soul. You believe in living bodies and that they will all die and eventually be resurrected.
Awesome. I'll burn the Book of Hinduism myself. I am not trying to block your interpretations of Biblical Scripture. On this point I am contesting your supposed belief in a soul aside from the body. I even made a thread about what is "soul" and "spirit". That went nowhere, which made it clear that no one really knows anything about an actual soul. You're just juggling this word "soul". Speaking of word jugglery, Heresy..... yeah, you'll figure it out.
What don't you get? I read a statement and I respond. It is very simple, actually.
Oh really? Then you should be able to explain to me what is this "soul" in contrast to the material body. Also, is the soul "asleep" or "dead" according to you? "you're sould remains asleep and not aware that it is dead" - You begin this sentence regarding the soul as a separate entity (from the body that is dead) and then you end it by equating the soul with the body (i.e. implying that it, the soul, is dead). The more you attempt to talk about a soul, the more apparent it becomes that you don't know what you're talking about. Your whole conception lies in the scope of bodily life, and therefore does not concern any entity, "soul". Just see, you understand your existence as beginning at bodily birth and ending at bodily death (where the body/soul is "asleep" or dead, and then you believe there will be a resurrection of the body/soul. It is clear that 'body' and 'soul' are interchangable terms for you. On this basis I say that you don't believe in an actual soul. You believe just as the atheists and materialists believe - that your existence pertains to the body. The only modification you make is the belief that your bodily existence will be resurrected at some point, wherefrom you will start existing again.
I don't have to tell you. You already know that you don't actually believe in any soul. You believe in living bodies and that they will all die and eventually be resurrected.
Awesome. I'll burn the Book of Hinduism myself. I am not trying to block your interpretations of Biblical Scripture. On this point I am contesting your supposed belief in a soul aside from the body. I even made a thread about what is "soul" and "spirit". That went nowhere, which made it clear that no one really knows anything about an actual soul. You're just juggling this word "soul". Speaking of word jugglery, Heresy..... yeah, you'll figure it out.
What don't you get? I read a statement and I respond. It is very simple, actually.
1) The connection you've drawn between belief in YHWH, Jesus or Allah and a knowledge of Adam and Eve is incorrect.
2) The only knowledge about Adam and Eve that I referred to was in reference to the Abrahamic religions.
3) If I ever refer to Adam and Eve outside of Abrahamic religions, that is because they are spoken of in those other religions.
2) The only knowledge about Adam and Eve that I referred to was in reference to the Abrahamic religions.
3) If I ever refer to Adam and Eve outside of Abrahamic religions, that is because they are spoken of in those other religions.
Hahahahaha!! Oh man, that's rich! Do I know your definition of experience? What a rascal! I've learned not to ask for your definitions since the last time I did, you were noncompliant. Now you imply that I should. Jokes just don't stop with you, huh?
This is very simple. I relate experience that is had by all. Yes, you can have experiences such as you say. And I can have experiences where God comes to me Himself and explains that just as the soul is changing bodies now, it will make another change at the time of bodily death.
The mode of ignorance prevails with you.
Great.
Yes...
Sure enough, I can and do find fault with hindus all the time. But your saying that most people use reincarnation as a way for justifying sinful life is just as valid as me saying that most people use "be fruitful" as a way to justify sinful sense gratification in the name of Christianity. So therefore, your statement holds no weight in contrast. Also, most people believe in "being fruitful" and that is what constitutes sinful life, whether or not they believe in reincarnation. Most people who believe in reincarnation, (those who follow the Vedas) do not do so in attempt to justify sinful life. Actually, the Vedic followers are opposed to "being fruitful". They instead focus on simple living and practicing spiritual discipline. They have little to no consideration, in thought or action, of them being enjoyers or controllers. So your statement that most people who believe in reincarnation do so to justify sinful life is wrong. More people use the Bible to justify sin than they do the Vedas. And I am not talking about people overall. I understand that there are more Christians than Aryans (followers of Vedic culture). I am talking about percentage wise. The percentage of Christians who use the Bible to justify their sinful activities (be it unrestricted sexual enjoyment with one's spouse or enjoying that candy bar) is greater than the percentage of Aryans who use Vedanta to justify their sinful activities.
This is very simple. I relate experience that is had by all. Yes, you can have experiences such as you say. And I can have experiences where God comes to me Himself and explains that just as the soul is changing bodies now, it will make another change at the time of bodily death.
The mode of ignorance prevails with you.
Great.
Yes...
Sure enough, I can and do find fault with hindus all the time. But your saying that most people use reincarnation as a way for justifying sinful life is just as valid as me saying that most people use "be fruitful" as a way to justify sinful sense gratification in the name of Christianity. So therefore, your statement holds no weight in contrast. Also, most people believe in "being fruitful" and that is what constitutes sinful life, whether or not they believe in reincarnation. Most people who believe in reincarnation, (those who follow the Vedas) do not do so in attempt to justify sinful life. Actually, the Vedic followers are opposed to "being fruitful". They instead focus on simple living and practicing spiritual discipline. They have little to no consideration, in thought or action, of them being enjoyers or controllers. So your statement that most people who believe in reincarnation do so to justify sinful life is wrong. More people use the Bible to justify sin than they do the Vedas. And I am not talking about people overall. I understand that there are more Christians than Aryans (followers of Vedic culture). I am talking about percentage wise. The percentage of Christians who use the Bible to justify their sinful activities (be it unrestricted sexual enjoyment with one's spouse or enjoying that candy bar) is greater than the percentage of Aryans who use Vedanta to justify their sinful activities.
I did not make a Bible bashing thread. You just pulled this idea out of your vagina. I simply presented something that came to me while discussing similar topics on another website. I even said that I was open to understanding why the argument may be semantic. Still I received no positive contribution to my thread in that regard. Eventually we moved on to another point that was implied in the argument, i.e. eternal hell. On that basis I made it clear that I was concerned with logical consistency, not any amount of Bible citing. So in neither case do you have a substantial reason to call my thread Bible bashing. Case closed.
OK Warrior of Shiva, and son of Kristna! I'm not gonna bother reading the rest of your stuff, or matter of fact respond to it. I have read them all but I don't need to prove myself to you. I'm just going to respond to what I quoted. I do believe in a soul, and that the Body is Different. Your body doesn't matter when you die, it's all about the Soul. The Soul is not DEAD, as you assume I say. The Soul is asleep, and will be awaken on the First Resurrection. The Body becomes dust, and our souls become Transfigured as like Heavenly bodies. Almost Christ like, but not quite. 916 how come you have 5150 at the end of your name if you're not crazy?
Edit: To add on to this, you don't become Transfigured when you die, you become tranfigured when Yeshua Establishes New Yerushalem.
Edit: To add on to this, you don't become Transfigured when you die, you become tranfigured when Yeshua Establishes New Yerushalem.
No, I just proved that once again you jump to conclusions. Again, if a person is saying they based their beliefs off of experience that can mean several things. In my case, when I have been asked why I beleive the way I do, I refer to these experiences (proof of this may be found in this forum.) So, once again stop jumping to conclusions. 
If you claim that some god did that thats between you and him/her. I have nothing to do with it. In fact, I don't even care.
Sure.
Stop lying. No one said or implied that most people use reincarnation as a way of justifying anything. Here is what I said:
Do you see this? I specifically stated that those who claim to follow THE BIBLE and hold these beliefs (the belief in reincarnation) misinterpret scriptures and spin it to justify living a certain lifestyle. Did I say anything about most people? No! :dead:
You are arguing a point that was NEVER stated NOR implied, so that would mean YOUR statement holds no weight.
Useless info. My statement was limited to so-called christians who claim to follow the bible and also believe in reincarnation. You just typed a couple of paragraphs attempting to refute a position that I never made.
Sure pal. Toss up a percentage so we can all see.
Sure buddy.
Next time read the posts in depth instead of wasting my time with cosmic crapola and morpheus talk. We are in the real world here, and it is obvious that you are stuck in some movie script or "past life" where you were some pseudo-sage or something. Please, just stop talking.
If you claim that some god did that thats between you and him/her. I have nothing to do with it. In fact, I don't even care.
Sure.
Stop lying. No one said or implied that most people use reincarnation as a way of justifying anything. Here is what I said:
Do you see this? I specifically stated that those who claim to follow THE BIBLE and hold these beliefs (the belief in reincarnation) misinterpret scriptures and spin it to justify living a certain lifestyle. Did I say anything about most people? No! :dead:
You are arguing a point that was NEVER stated NOR implied, so that would mean YOUR statement holds no weight.
Useless info. My statement was limited to so-called christians who claim to follow the bible and also believe in reincarnation. You just typed a couple of paragraphs attempting to refute a position that I never made.
Sure pal. Toss up a percentage so we can all see.
Sure buddy.
Next time read the posts in depth instead of wasting my time with cosmic crapola and morpheus talk. We are in the real world here, and it is obvious that you are stuck in some movie script or "past life" where you were some pseudo-sage or something. Please, just stop talking.