Victor Ortiz Vs. Mayweather Jr. being Discussed

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2-0-Sixx said:
Dzinziruk also never fought at 160 pounds. He has a somewhat decent resume at 154 pounds and good amateur background but it's the equivilant of say Jermain Taylor beating 154 pound Kasim Ouma or Cory Spinks in a middleweight title defense. Pretty decent win at the time, noteworthy, nothing great.

Pirog is a legit 160 pound fighter and he has a title. His resume isn't the greatest yet, but so what? He would be a great fight for Martinez and it would prove a lot to me, much more than a guy moving up from a lower weight class.
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Considering Martinez himself is a 154lb convert & Dizzy wasn't KOd by 147lbers I'd say it's not the same as Taylor beating Spinks. Dizzy was undefeated, had an extremely solid resume at his class, unlike most German based guys, and has legit skills and Martinez straight clowned on him.

Pirog is absolutely legit, I'm not saying he's not. I said going into the Jacobs fight that he was legit based on what I had seen in the Jantuah fight who he shut out through 12 rounds, which isn't easy to do. What I'm saying is I think Dizzy is the better win and means more than beating Pirog at the moment. Martinez doesn't have to fight Pirog to legitimize himself, him being the lineal middleweight champion on the world is proven enough.
 
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Considering Martinez himself is a 154lb convert & Dizzy wasn't KOd by 147lbers I'd say it's not the same as Taylor beating Spinks. Dizzy was undefeated, had an extremely solid resume at his class, unlike most German based guys, and has legit skills and Martinez straight clowned on him.
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Martinez had not fought at 154 in a couple years and he walks around 190+ pounds between fights. He's a full blown middleweight at this point in his career, no doubt about it. If he wasn't he wouldn't fancy the idea of fighting guys at 168 pounds.

It's a decent win I'm not saying it's not, all I'm saying is I'm not completely sold on him as far as being up there with floyd & pac, pound 4 pound. He does a lot of things wrong technically.

Pirog is absolutely legit, I'm not saying he's not. I said going into the Jacobs fight that he was legit based on what I had seen in the Jantuah fight who he shut out through 12 rounds, which isn't easy to do. What I'm saying is I think Dizzy is the better win and means more than beating Pirog at the moment. Martinez doesn't have to fight Pirog to legitimize himself, him being the lineal middleweight champion on the world is proven enough.
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I don't know, I guess it's how you look at it. Beating Pirog at 160 to unify belts I would think is impressive, more so than fighting a guy moving up in weight. Just my opinion. Maybe if fought Sergio at 154 I'd feel differently.

Oh I'm also going to be honest, I'm biased against Martinez. He reminds me of Calzaghe the way he holds his hands down so freakin low and fights kind of amateurish at times, but with a lot more power. I loved his KO of p-will, but I just don't like the guy that much.
 
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^~~ I don't disagree with any of that. I guess just the goat herder from Kazakhstan made it seem like you thought Dizzy was some random scrub. I'm always down from title unification bouts but the Dizzy fight wasn't a stay busy fight or some random fight that happened, it was a legit fight with an undefeated champion who has legit skills. Dizzy going up is no different to me than any undefeated champion testing his talents at a higher weight class.

As for the technique thing I think you have to go with what works. RJJ admittedly did a bunch of things technically wrong but there's no question he was at the top of the P4P food chain. I'm not saying Martinez is but it should go by what you accomplish in the ring.
 
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I hear you. Like I said the way he does it just reminds me of calzaghe for some reason.

I was playing with the goat herder remark, I know he's from Ukraine, but I seem to recall his parents or one of them is from a farm in Kazakhstan. Or maybe I'm thinking of the Klitschko's.
 
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donaire is getting up there, martinez I'm not sold on him yet until he fights someone like Dmitry Pirog at 160. He looked great against Williams and for most of the rounds against Pavlik and the goat herder from Kazakhstan but that doesn't tell me a whole lot.

You need a lot more then power to beat floyd. How would ortiz get inside on floyd with no jab? he's just going to walk forward like he did against berto? he'd eat leather all night long.


*Gatti was not a big puncher at the weight (140) and at the time floyd fought him at.
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You definitely need more than power to beat floyd but Ortiz has a little bit of boxing ability. He's not maidana, he will occasionally throw jabs and that's what you have camp for. I would certainly hope his camp works on that. I think a good jab is the foundation on how to beat floyd unless you rough him up all night long which ortiz isn't likely to do.

Martinez has looked great in every fight since HBO started showcasing him like 3 years ago and he's only getting better. Dzinzurik was kinda getting to him in the round before he got knocked out but he got knocked out. He's also knocking his opponents out with the exception of Pavlik but he still fought really well and won the middleweight championship.

Gatti was still a respectable puncher and had well above average power.
 
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Damn Dookie 1 you really think he can KO Mayweather and Mosley can't?
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Actually, Mosely is why i think Ortiz has a shot @ an upset... Mosely was able to catch Floyd clean, and mosely has a shitty twitching jab! If ortiz hurt him like that he would most def. be more active thus giving him a SHOT.



But I would Bet the farm on Floyd against ortiz anyday!!
 
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i bet theyve actually talked about it and lightweight putting it out there for now to see what kindve attention its drawing. lets just hope pac destroys mosley so itll put floyd in position where if he does fight any opponent other than pac, hes a pussy. i like floyds chances against pac too. i just checked ortiz's wiki and its already stating that his next opponent is floyd.
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
the way he holds his hands extremely low and sticks his face out, calzaghe used to do the same shit.
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Oh that makes sense. I think they use it in far different methods though.

If you can get away with keeping your hands down then I say go for it, it has to be fantastic for conserving energy.
 
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speaking of keeping hands down, it's not the same but have you guys noticed that Pac and now even Khan is doing this some too.. When they are throwing combinations, they are coming from almost the hip instead of keep their hands up blocking their chin. To me, it's actually easier to throw a grip of punches from the hip than it is keeping your hands up and I feel like I get more velocity on my punches that way BUT it opens you up to counters obviously. Seems dangerous to me but they're getting away with it. Khan would be smart to stop doing that though lol
 
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Mayweather will go rounds with Ortiz to get his skills back sharp. You can thank Roy Jones Jr for all these fighters nowadays keeping there hands at hip level. Roy mastered that style of fighting above Martinez is good at it too.
 
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CHRISHOGGALYPSE said:
speaking of keeping hands down, it's not the same but have you guys noticed that Pac and now even Khan is doing this some too.. When they are throwing combinations, they are coming from almost the hip instead of keep their hands up blocking their chin. To me, it's actually easier to throw a grip of punches from the hip than it is keeping your hands up and I feel like I get more velocity on my punches that way BUT it opens you up to counters obviously. Seems dangerous to me but they're getting away with it. Khan would be smart to stop doing that though lol
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I've noticed a few things khan does in the ring which I suspect are sort of bad habits he's picked up from pacquiao. In the McClowsky fight though Khan kept his hands really high up for most of the fight so I guess that's good (although he didn't look all that impressive).
 
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