Let's face the facts Pac-Man does not want to take random drug tests. Now really all the Mayweather is ducking Manny is just getting old and boring. Let him fight Stone-Hands and then we can move forward from there. It's pretty clear that most people hate Mayweather. But for people to act like Pac-Man has done something so great that Mayweather is scared to fight him is just dumb. If Manny doesn't have to explain why he didn't want to take random drug tests or the 14 days cut off for the May 2010 fight he turned down. Then why does Mayweather owe you Pac-man fans anything?? You guys are sounding dumb now. Manny turned down the fight in May not Mayweather but Manny. But I didn't see any threads made about him ducking Mayweather. Let's be clear Arum and Manny turned the first fight down. So, Money had to fight Mosley who Manny ducked, so he could fight washed up Cotto. Now if someone can show me Arum's new proposal to Mayweather I will shut up. Or was it the same proposal that Team Pac-Man turned down for the May 2010 fight.. I will be waiting for someone to show me this new proposal. Just like I'm still waiting for someone to tell me a person that Pac-Man has fought that has hand speed and foot work. You won't be able to answer both questions. It seem like Arum is playing games to get hype for his in-house fights. Arum is just playing media games. He does not want to make the fight because he knows his cash cow is going to get beat like a drum. FYI, who turned down 40 million because they doesn't want to give blood? I can tell you Pac-Man.. But Mayweather is ducking him.. LOL..
Top Rank & Golden Boy agree to all terms - the fight is in floyds hands
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He agreed to random tests man.
Don't be fooled by Jeff mayweather, who isn't involved in anything. Think about it. Why wait till NOW, after Pac is already set to fight Margarito to say somethin? Why not say something in the TWO MONTHS during talks? It's a cute story but no one is buying it. Floyd and his whole family didn't say a single word for two months, then as soon as pac is set to fight margarito his whole family is talkin? lmao. Just like Floyd SR. said a while ago, he doesn't want his son to fight pacquiao. He said that.
If Floyd wants a really big payday he’s going to have to fight him next,” Mayweather Sr. said. “But if it was me, I wouldn’t fight him.
Don't be fooled by Jeff mayweather, who isn't involved in anything. Think about it. Why wait till NOW, after Pac is already set to fight Margarito to say somethin? Why not say something in the TWO MONTHS during talks? It's a cute story but no one is buying it. Floyd and his whole family didn't say a single word for two months, then as soon as pac is set to fight margarito his whole family is talkin? lmao. Just like Floyd SR. said a while ago, he doesn't want his son to fight pacquiao. He said that.
If Floyd wants a really big payday he’s going to have to fight him next,” Mayweather Sr. said. “But if it was me, I wouldn’t fight him.
What happened to the 3 "scheduled" test(s) he wanted? Scheduled vs Random is completely different.
This goes back to the question I was asking about a month ago.... if he did agree to the "random blood" testing, why did he change all of a sudden? Doesn't blood test make him weaker? Or did he change his stance on random blood testing is the question? We don't know because Arum isn't releasing any details. That should tell you who is playing games.
It looks like Floyd won't negotiate until Pacquiao has agreed to full random blood testing without a cut off date. Once Pac and Arum agree, then I think they'll start negotiating.
This goes back to the question I was asking about a month ago.... if he did agree to the "random blood" testing, why did he change all of a sudden? Doesn't blood test make him weaker? Or did he change his stance on random blood testing is the question? We don't know because Arum isn't releasing any details. That should tell you who is playing games.
It looks like Floyd won't negotiate until Pacquiao has agreed to full random blood testing without a cut off date. Once Pac and Arum agree, then I think they'll start negotiating.
He didn't agree to no random drug test and he didn't agree to no 14 day-cutoff for the first time around. It's becoming more and more clear to me that Arum is ducking the fight. Please just show me the new proposal?? You can't because there was never a new proposal. You people are being fooled by the Arum's kool-aid and the Pac-Man hype. They don't want the fight to happen and it's becoming more clear to me. Mayweather fights and beats Mosley the man Pac-Man was ducking. So, now Manny is fighting the guy that got beat up by the guy he was ducking and you people have the nervous to say Money is scared of this guy. I just can't wait to see Money toy with Pac-man and then all the excuses that will be made after the fight just like Mosley. Pac-Man is old, he was in too many wars before Mayweather. Since he beat up the Golden Boy, Mayweather has been the most hated in boxing and the number one cash cow. Never have I saw a boxer making so many top pound for pound fighter look like bums, but yet get no credit for doing it. It's laughable to me..
yes he did haven't you been paying attention?
He agreed to like 17 day cutoff the first time around.
Floyd demanded full OST's.
Pac said no, but I'll do three tests
Floyd said no.
Pac then said ok I'll do random tests but with a 30 day cutoff.
Floyd said no.
Pac said ok 24 day cutoff.
Floyd said no
Pac said ok 20 day cutoff.
Floyd said no.
Pac with a mediator agreed to I believe 17 days or 16 days.
Floyd said no.
Stretch this over a period of weeks/months with bitter back and forth and nasty shit talking to the media, and that's how the fight died.
Fast forward to now, pac and co knew floyd wouldn't accept anything but that, so Pac agreed to the random Blood tests. In manny's words, he called floyd's bluff. Floyd STILL says no.
So I think it's clear who doesn't want this fight...
All that other shit you typed is nonsense. Show me floyd wants to fight? Show me floyd has a pair of balls and actually wants to fight? What fighter on earth would make it so damn difficult to make $60 million dollars? What fighter implements all these roadblocks and has countless amounts of excuses like I'm on vacation, I'm not thinking about boxing, or my favorite, i'm like the superbowl I only happen once a year etc etc etc. Only floyd!
He agreed to like 17 day cutoff the first time around.
Floyd demanded full OST's.
Pac said no, but I'll do three tests
Floyd said no.
Pac then said ok I'll do random tests but with a 30 day cutoff.
Floyd said no.
Pac said ok 24 day cutoff.
Floyd said no
Pac said ok 20 day cutoff.
Floyd said no.
Pac with a mediator agreed to I believe 17 days or 16 days.
Floyd said no.
Stretch this over a period of weeks/months with bitter back and forth and nasty shit talking to the media, and that's how the fight died.
Fast forward to now, pac and co knew floyd wouldn't accept anything but that, so Pac agreed to the random Blood tests. In manny's words, he called floyd's bluff. Floyd STILL says no.
So I think it's clear who doesn't want this fight...
All that other shit you typed is nonsense. Show me floyd wants to fight? Show me floyd has a pair of balls and actually wants to fight? What fighter on earth would make it so damn difficult to make $60 million dollars? What fighter implements all these roadblocks and has countless amounts of excuses like I'm on vacation, I'm not thinking about boxing, or my favorite, i'm like the superbowl I only happen once a year etc etc etc. Only floyd!
Hold on 206..... Why would Floyd turn down 17 or 16 days but then agree to 14 days? It's funny that you left out when Floyd agreed to the 14 day cut off.... And Manny said "No". Pac didn't agree to no 16 or 17 days because they would have fought by now.
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-...ayweather-says-random-testing-up-to-the-fight
A 14 day cutoff was Team Mayweather's final offer for the first negotiations. Since that time, Mayweather has reportedly changed his mind.
In February, David Mayo of the Grand Rapids Press reported that Mayweather said he will expect random testing with no cutoff deadline.
Mayweather said:
I gave him a chance, up to 14 days out. But my new terms are all the way up to the fight. They can come get us whenever, all the way up to the fight, random drug test. That’s what it is.
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-...ayweather-says-random-testing-up-to-the-fight
A 14 day cutoff was Team Mayweather's final offer for the first negotiations. Since that time, Mayweather has reportedly changed his mind.
In February, David Mayo of the Grand Rapids Press reported that Mayweather said he will expect random testing with no cutoff deadline.
Mayweather said:
I gave him a chance, up to 14 days out. But my new terms are all the way up to the fight. They can come get us whenever, all the way up to the fight, random drug test. That’s what it is.
Harold Lederman on Pacquiao vs Mayweather:
http://www.examiner.com/x-22973-Las...to-guarantees-Mayweather-will-step-up-in-2011
Asked for his thoughts on the pending future of Mayweather, Lederman revealed that he only knows as much as he reads in the papers and that perhaps Floyd’s accountant told him it would be a better financial move to fight in 2011. Asked if he feels that Mayweather still wants a fight with Pacquiao, Lederman is beyond adamant.
“Floyd is too good,” Lederman claimed. “He will never turn his back on a fight like that. If you go back in history do you remember when he fought ‘Chicanito’ Hernandez? We all said that he wasn’t ready and that Hernandez was going to kill him. Chicanito was a great champion and Floyd Mayweather wiped the floor with him. He fought so many guys that people thought he wasn’t ready to fight and he just did great. But Floyd is a great fighter, he really is. He’s a terrific talent.”
Lederman went on to note that many of Mayweather’s struggles in the past have been due to his hands being damaged but that it simply doesn’t seem to be a problem anymore. Before disappearing between the halls of the Mandalay Bay Lederman emphatically stated that there is too much at stake for Floyd to just turn away.
“He’s not going to walk away from Manny Pacquiao. He has too much pride. If you paid him twenty dollars he would take the fight. The reason being it is a guy who everybody thinks can beat him up. Floyd is a great champion, great person, and I know very well he is going to do well in the Pacquiao fight.”
Not everyone believes that BS about Floyd being scared!
http://www.examiner.com/x-22973-Las...to-guarantees-Mayweather-will-step-up-in-2011
Asked for his thoughts on the pending future of Mayweather, Lederman revealed that he only knows as much as he reads in the papers and that perhaps Floyd’s accountant told him it would be a better financial move to fight in 2011. Asked if he feels that Mayweather still wants a fight with Pacquiao, Lederman is beyond adamant.
“Floyd is too good,” Lederman claimed. “He will never turn his back on a fight like that. If you go back in history do you remember when he fought ‘Chicanito’ Hernandez? We all said that he wasn’t ready and that Hernandez was going to kill him. Chicanito was a great champion and Floyd Mayweather wiped the floor with him. He fought so many guys that people thought he wasn’t ready to fight and he just did great. But Floyd is a great fighter, he really is. He’s a terrific talent.”
Lederman went on to note that many of Mayweather’s struggles in the past have been due to his hands being damaged but that it simply doesn’t seem to be a problem anymore. Before disappearing between the halls of the Mandalay Bay Lederman emphatically stated that there is too much at stake for Floyd to just turn away.
“He’s not going to walk away from Manny Pacquiao. He has too much pride. If you paid him twenty dollars he would take the fight. The reason being it is a guy who everybody thinks can beat him up. Floyd is a great champion, great person, and I know very well he is going to do well in the Pacquiao fight.”
Not everyone believes that BS about Floyd being scared!
it's funny that you KEEP going backwards as if I don't know this.
I broke down the negotiations the FIRST time (which is irrelevant to NOW) in a simple matter, even though it was a long, painful, bitter, drawn out process. The final proposal by Floyd was 14 days. At the very end of the mediated last-ditch-effort to save the fight Pac wanted 17 or 16 days floyd wanted 14 days. You have to put into prospective that floyd asked for 14 days when Pac agreed to do 30 day cutoff, so for pac to come down to 17-16 days was in fact compromising. Regardless, both sides failed because of a silly 2 or 3 days in disagreement. But as I have always told you, it was more the fact of how each side used the media and spun this shit out of control to the point where both sides were furious. That's why it died.
Fast forward to now, knowing that floyd wouldn't budge from 14 days, top rank/pac gave in to floyd's demands. But still floyd doesn't want to fight.
I broke down the negotiations the FIRST time (which is irrelevant to NOW) in a simple matter, even though it was a long, painful, bitter, drawn out process. The final proposal by Floyd was 14 days. At the very end of the mediated last-ditch-effort to save the fight Pac wanted 17 or 16 days floyd wanted 14 days. You have to put into prospective that floyd asked for 14 days when Pac agreed to do 30 day cutoff, so for pac to come down to 17-16 days was in fact compromising. Regardless, both sides failed because of a silly 2 or 3 days in disagreement. But as I have always told you, it was more the fact of how each side used the media and spun this shit out of control to the point where both sides were furious. That's why it died.
Fast forward to now, knowing that floyd wouldn't budge from 14 days, top rank/pac gave in to floyd's demands. But still floyd doesn't want to fight.
I can't find anyone confirming that Pac was all the way down to 17 or 16 days. If so, then it still wasn't good enough. He didn't meet Mayweather in the middle.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2010/01/manny-pacquiao-floyd-mayweather-jr-boxing-2.html
"Arum said Wednesday night that Mayweather ultimately didn't want to risk losing, with another source close to the negotiiations saying Pacquiao conceded to allow a blood test 24 days before the fight -- he previously would allow a blood draw only 30 days before the bout -- and sought an apology from Mayweather's team for implying the Filipino star has used performance-enhancing drugs.
Weinstein did not address specifics but made these points testifying to Mayweather's cooperativeness:"
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2010/01/manny-pacquiao-floyd-mayweather-jr-boxing-2.html
"Arum said Wednesday night that Mayweather ultimately didn't want to risk losing, with another source close to the negotiiations saying Pacquiao conceded to allow a blood test 24 days before the fight -- he previously would allow a blood draw only 30 days before the bout -- and sought an apology from Mayweather's team for implying the Filipino star has used performance-enhancing drugs.
Weinstein did not address specifics but made these points testifying to Mayweather's cooperativeness:"
Yes, Tony hit them with the truth. Their blind hate for Mayweather is keeping them from seeing the truth. The truth is Arum is scared of Mayweather, he's knows what going to happen when Money gets Pac-Man in the ring. I've been telling people Manny turned down the fight the 1st time. All the dead line crap was to hype up Manny against another come forward no defense bum. The more you look at it the more you see that Team Pac-man is scared. Roach is so quiet it's funny. If Mayweather was really ducking a fight with Manny, you know Roach would be talking sh*t all day. He knows after that Mosley fight that Manny is going to get a beating for real by Money.
Yes, Bob Arum is scared of taking 20% of $60 million dollars. He must be terrified!
You don't think Arum knows Pacquiao is going to retire real soon? Pac is a congressman now, he's priorities stretch way beyond boxing. Bob arum wants to cash the fuck out. Believe that. Bob Arum today:
"If Mayweather chose Don as his promoter, I have no doubt what would happen.
“Don and I would go into a locked room. Then we'd roll around on the floor for a while. When we came out of the room, we'd have a deal and Manny and Floyd would be fighting each other next,” Arum said.
Arum said their “reunion” would just add extra fire to what is already envisioned as a bout in which each fighter might earn $50 million. The King-Arum or Arum-King roadshow would provide an extra spark to the buildup, Arum thinks.
“I mean, can you imagine?” Arum asked.
“I fondly remember how we co-promoted Oscar (de la Hoya) and Don's guy, Felix Trinidad. We did over 1.4 million homes on pay per view TV and we only had 18 to 19 million homes to work with. Now the market is so much bigger.”
Roach is actually silent right now because he doesn't want Pac to fight Margarito. He said before no way pac fights margarito. Ever. I think roach is upset with top rank for making the fight he's completely against.
You don't think Arum knows Pacquiao is going to retire real soon? Pac is a congressman now, he's priorities stretch way beyond boxing. Bob arum wants to cash the fuck out. Believe that. Bob Arum today:
"If Mayweather chose Don as his promoter, I have no doubt what would happen.
“Don and I would go into a locked room. Then we'd roll around on the floor for a while. When we came out of the room, we'd have a deal and Manny and Floyd would be fighting each other next,” Arum said.
Arum said their “reunion” would just add extra fire to what is already envisioned as a bout in which each fighter might earn $50 million. The King-Arum or Arum-King roadshow would provide an extra spark to the buildup, Arum thinks.
“I mean, can you imagine?” Arum asked.
“I fondly remember how we co-promoted Oscar (de la Hoya) and Don's guy, Felix Trinidad. We did over 1.4 million homes on pay per view TV and we only had 18 to 19 million homes to work with. Now the market is so much bigger.”
Roach is actually silent right now because he doesn't want Pac to fight Margarito. He said before no way pac fights margarito. Ever. I think roach is upset with top rank for making the fight he's completely against.
Roach is quiet because he knows what's going to happen to Pac-Man against Mayweather. I'm telling you Arum is cashing in on his cash cow while he still can. I'm sick of the Pac-Man hype. When is this guy going to fight a fighter with some skills??? It's easy to look good against a walking punching bag. Ask Mosley he looked great against Stone-Hands, but his next fight he had to think and got his ass beat. Now he's a old man let the Manny fan tell it. Remember before Mayweather vs Mosley, everyone was talking about how Mosley was going to beat Mayweather up. But after the fight Mosley was a washed up old man. Mayweather had all those old ass hating HBO commentators speechless all fight. Pac-Man is all hype fighting nothing but come forward already damaged bums.
Really?
Recent Freddie Roach quotes on Floyd/Pac:
"Floyd doesn’t have his legs anymore. He changed his style because he can’t move like he used to at that weight. That’s why he was more flat footed and that’s why Shane did hit him in the first rounds. But Shane got old over night. Floyd doesn’t have that movement like he once did…. It’s unfortunate that Mosley didn’t have more in the tank, but Pacquiao will.”
“If Manny Pacquiao catches him, we will finish him”
“Manny’s now a congressman. He’s going to agree with everything Mayweather wants,” Roach said confidently. “That’s why I think the fight will happen.”
"It makes me excited because we are now going to have Congressman Pacquiao knock out Floyd Mayweather"
Sure sounds like a trainer that lacks confidence!
LOL
Joshua Clottey is a skillful fighter. His punchout was shit about against pac, but Clottey is one of the most technically sound fighters in the game.
Do I have to mention Cotto? He has no skills??
Mayweather HATERS were saying that. Floyd was about an 8-1 favorite to win the fight. I would have put money of Floyd if the odds weren't so terribly in his favor.
I think Mosley was a great win for Floyd, best possible opponent for him other than Pac. But at the same time, Mosley isn't the same guy he was 5-10 years ago. Again, that's not to say it wasn't a good win, because it was, but 38 year old mosley isn't prime. If we put aside margarito fight for a second, he struggled with Mayorga and lost to Cotto. On top of that he had a year and a half layoff. I think if you're going to criticize pacquiao, you're going to end up criticizing Floyd for the same shit.
Bottom line here is that Pac & Floyd are the BEST fighters in the sport. No denying it. It's pointless to say one guy's resume is shit while the other guys isn't. All resumes can be nitpicked apart. Bernard Hopkins, Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roy Jones. Anyone who doesn't like a guy can discredit that persons resume. It's easy watch:
See how easy that was? I can go on and on - Roy Jones built his career beating BUMS and taxi drivers and as soon as he stepped up he got KTFO (by Tarver & glen johnson). Bernard Hopkins only beat smaller fighters (trinidad & oscar).
Recent Freddie Roach quotes on Floyd/Pac:
"Floyd doesn’t have his legs anymore. He changed his style because he can’t move like he used to at that weight. That’s why he was more flat footed and that’s why Shane did hit him in the first rounds. But Shane got old over night. Floyd doesn’t have that movement like he once did…. It’s unfortunate that Mosley didn’t have more in the tank, but Pacquiao will.”
“If Manny Pacquiao catches him, we will finish him”
“Manny’s now a congressman. He’s going to agree with everything Mayweather wants,” Roach said confidently. “That’s why I think the fight will happen.”
"It makes me excited because we are now going to have Congressman Pacquiao knock out Floyd Mayweather"
Sure sounds like a trainer that lacks confidence!
LOL
Joshua Clottey is a skillful fighter. His punchout was shit about against pac, but Clottey is one of the most technically sound fighters in the game.
Do I have to mention Cotto? He has no skills??
Mayweather HATERS were saying that. Floyd was about an 8-1 favorite to win the fight. I would have put money of Floyd if the odds weren't so terribly in his favor.
I think Mosley was a great win for Floyd, best possible opponent for him other than Pac. But at the same time, Mosley isn't the same guy he was 5-10 years ago. Again, that's not to say it wasn't a good win, because it was, but 38 year old mosley isn't prime. If we put aside margarito fight for a second, he struggled with Mayorga and lost to Cotto. On top of that he had a year and a half layoff. I think if you're going to criticize pacquiao, you're going to end up criticizing Floyd for the same shit.
Bottom line here is that Pac & Floyd are the BEST fighters in the sport. No denying it. It's pointless to say one guy's resume is shit while the other guys isn't. All resumes can be nitpicked apart. Bernard Hopkins, Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roy Jones. Anyone who doesn't like a guy can discredit that persons resume. It's easy watch:
Ali - he lost THREE times to Ken Norton but the refs were paid off on two of them. Norton BROKE HIS JAW like a bitch and beat the shit out of Ali. Yes, Ken Norton, the same bum who was knocked out by Jose Garcia (who?!?), Foreman, Holmes, Shavers and Cooney.
He was knocked the fuck out by some bum named Henry Cooper in the 4th round, but the only reason Ali survived is because his trainer cut his gloves in-between rounds which allowed ali extra time to recovery. Total robbery.
His KO over Sonny Liston was a joke, phantom punch. Fix.
Floyd Patterson was old and shot.
Joe Frazier whooped his ass and the only reason Ali beat him after was because Frazier was completely blind in his right eye and had no business fighting but needed the money.
Ali lost to Leon Spinks, who had 6 pro fights! 6!! What kind of all time great champ loses to a guy with 6 fights? lol what a joke!
Then of course ali gets absolutely demolished by Larry Holmes, teh first fighter with skills he actually fights and gets embarrassed.
He was knocked the fuck out by some bum named Henry Cooper in the 4th round, but the only reason Ali survived is because his trainer cut his gloves in-between rounds which allowed ali extra time to recovery. Total robbery.
His KO over Sonny Liston was a joke, phantom punch. Fix.
Floyd Patterson was old and shot.
Joe Frazier whooped his ass and the only reason Ali beat him after was because Frazier was completely blind in his right eye and had no business fighting but needed the money.
Ali lost to Leon Spinks, who had 6 pro fights! 6!! What kind of all time great champ loses to a guy with 6 fights? lol what a joke!
Then of course ali gets absolutely demolished by Larry Holmes, teh first fighter with skills he actually fights and gets embarrassed.
See how easy that was? I can go on and on - Roy Jones built his career beating BUMS and taxi drivers and as soon as he stepped up he got KTFO (by Tarver & glen johnson). Bernard Hopkins only beat smaller fighters (trinidad & oscar).