The USA is shut down. Where do you go?
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The following is an excerpt of a discussion primarily between EDJ, WHITE DEVIL and myself, that took place two years ago (next month). The excerpts are dated April 10, 2004. The discussion in it's entirety spanned over several days. Enjoy.
Read the third post, several times over if you must.
These four posts are consecutive. If you want to read more on the posts prior to and after these four, you can find the entire discussion here: http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=97712
The excerpts came from page 6.
This man did give a few general reasons, but when asked to elaborate, well, he did not. He also gave a reason why he would not elaborate on them, however, the issue here is asking EDJ. WHITE DEVIL asked respectfully, and got nothing in return. More excuses may, and probably will be brought forth, but the question was asked, contrary to what has been said in this thread.
Read the third post, several times over if you must.
These four posts are consecutive. If you want to read more on the posts prior to and after these four, you can find the entire discussion here: http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=97712
The excerpts came from page 6.
This man did give a few general reasons, but when asked to elaborate, well, he did not. He also gave a reason why he would not elaborate on them, however, the issue here is asking EDJ. WHITE DEVIL asked respectfully, and got nothing in return. More excuses may, and probably will be brought forth, but the question was asked, contrary to what has been said in this thread.
This is NOT asking him why HE (EDJ) has racist views. This is asking him to explain how the prevalence of "PREDOMINANT ANgLO VIEWS" are applicable. He is asking how they translate to "the everyday cracker" and not how they apply to EDJ.
This goes back to what I was saying. Why should he answer if people are already decided? If you ask him to explain HIS experiences and why he believes/says what he does (white devil did NOT do this) he has three choices. Explain himself to the best of his ability, be vague in answering, or refarin from answering. If he does the first you will see progress. If he does the second you will remain at a stand still. If he does the third you'll have a valid reason for making your assumptions and he can no longer use misconceptions/assumptions as an excuse or deterrent.
Could it be the reason why no one wants to ask EDJ this question is because people FEAR responsibility and do not want to address black/white racism in america?
Also, I never read that thread again after my last reply. I am my OWN spokesman and speak for me. However, I speak out when I see wrong doings (or what I perceive as wrong.)
This goes back to what I was saying. Why should he answer if people are already decided? If you ask him to explain HIS experiences and why he believes/says what he does (white devil did NOT do this) he has three choices. Explain himself to the best of his ability, be vague in answering, or refarin from answering. If he does the first you will see progress. If he does the second you will remain at a stand still. If he does the third you'll have a valid reason for making your assumptions and he can no longer use misconceptions/assumptions as an excuse or deterrent.
Could it be the reason why no one wants to ask EDJ this question is because people FEAR responsibility and do not want to address black/white racism in america?
Also, I never read that thread again after my last reply. I am my OWN spokesman and speak for me. However, I speak out when I see wrong doings (or what I perceive as wrong.)
Incorrect. You have to read my post, and what it said, then read how EDJ replied to it and you will know what he meant. I wrote on how whites are judged by people on the board, the first thing he said was "I speak from expierence", then he was asked is to expound on them. Look, I EXPECTED you to respond in this typical fashion of yours, and nothing less. The point was made, EDJ is unable to discuss these so called "reasons" and claims he needs a spokesman. END OF STORY.
Or could it be that he is afraid to discuss these things as witnessed in my last post. It is proof of my point.
At the very least HERESY, take from these posts that EDJ refuses to explain himself to the likes of myself and others. Thats how it was back then and nothing has changed. He said it himself, he feels the same as he did back then.
Or could it be that he is afraid to discuss these things as witnessed in my last post. It is proof of my point.
At the very least HERESY, take from these posts that EDJ refuses to explain himself to the likes of myself and others. Thats how it was back then and nothing has changed. He said it himself, he feels the same as he did back then.
You are incorrect.
I did read it. Here is part of your statement that CAUSED his response:
He replied with:
At that point he is telling you he can speak from experience. White Devil NEVER asked him to explain HIS (EDJ) personal experiences which contributed to his views. When he said:
He is making this statement in regards to this:
and
Again, he said the predom anglo views are prevalent. Look at the word PREVALENT.
Widely or commonly occurring, existing, accepted, or practiced
Basically, he is saying everything you are saying is bullshit because white views (which can also be actions) are widely spread and ingrained in our society and mentality.
White devil asked him:
Proof that white devil is NOT asking EDJ to explain himself is in BOLD.
White devil asks edj to "expound on them", and them refers to VIEWS (which will be proven again later.) White devil asks "what are their applications" again "their" refers to the VIEWS and CANNOT POSSIBLY refer to EDJ's experience because it wouldn't make sense. Would it make sense to ask "what are your experiences applications"? No, it wouldnt. White devel asks another question which proves he is not asking about experiences. He asks EDJ "how do these predominant views". STOP! Again, this is PROOF he is responding to edj's statement about predominant views and NOT edj's claims of experience. The rest of the question is "translate to the everyday cracker." White devil is asking how these things translate to the everyday "cracker". He is NOT asking how they translate to edj.
So as it stands no one has yet to ask this man WHY he holds these views. I just proved white devil was asking about predominant anglo views, how they are widespread, applied, and how they translate to "the everyday cracker."
And I anticipated/expected your response, but it fails to meet my standards. If you want to get down to the bottom of edj's so-called racism you should ask him to specifically tell you why he holds these views.
No. EDJ failed to discuss the application of predominant anglo views, applications and how they translate to the everyday "cracker". If edj DID fail in discussing his personal experiences and how they have formed his so-called racism, it is because NO ONE EVER ASKED HIM TO DO IT.
Again, these things (things meaning edj's experiences) were NEVER addressed by ANY of you. NONE of you required him to explain himself. He has basically implied "you have made your mind up so why bother?" You have no proof that he is unwilling to discuss his personal experiences and how they may have contributed to his so-called racism because you have not asked him. The only thing you are going on his is back and fourth with white devil. Look at the tone of the convo and tell me what you see.
I have taken this into consideration and have addressed this.
This leads us back to the question that needs to be asked. WHY does HE feel this way?
@Sixxness you said:
Stop lying. You didn't know what I was going to say. If you knew what I was going to say you would have made some attempt to refute everything that was directed your way.
I most certainly will step aside. AS SOON AS YOU GROW A SET OF BALLS, STOP BEATING AROUND THE BUSH AND ASK THE MAN WHY HE HOLDS THE VIEWS IN QUESTION. As I have said, I am my OWN spokesman and speak for me. However, I speak out when I see wrong doings (or what I perceive as wrong.) I am speaking for what I believe is right and their is nothing YOU nor ANYONE else in this world can do to stop it. Once you ask EDJ to explain himself I am out of the picture because its on HIM to give an account of himself, and I have already explained this.
Actually his SILENCE proves you are wrong. Look at my FIRST response here http://siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=174680&page=11 and look at edj's response to my statement. Stop accusing me of bullshitting and drop your cowardly lion act. You either ask this man to explain how his experiences molded his so-called racism, or you continue to bath in your own cesspool of stupidity. The choice is entirely yours my friend. :dead:
I did read it. Here is part of your statement that CAUSED his response:
He replied with:
At that point he is telling you he can speak from experience. White Devil NEVER asked him to explain HIS (EDJ) personal experiences which contributed to his views. When he said:
He is making this statement in regards to this:
and
Again, he said the predom anglo views are prevalent. Look at the word PREVALENT.
Widely or commonly occurring, existing, accepted, or practiced
Basically, he is saying everything you are saying is bullshit because white views (which can also be actions) are widely spread and ingrained in our society and mentality.
White devil asked him:
Proof that white devil is NOT asking EDJ to explain himself is in BOLD.
White devil asks edj to "expound on them", and them refers to VIEWS (which will be proven again later.) White devil asks "what are their applications" again "their" refers to the VIEWS and CANNOT POSSIBLY refer to EDJ's experience because it wouldn't make sense. Would it make sense to ask "what are your experiences applications"? No, it wouldnt. White devel asks another question which proves he is not asking about experiences. He asks EDJ "how do these predominant views". STOP! Again, this is PROOF he is responding to edj's statement about predominant views and NOT edj's claims of experience. The rest of the question is "translate to the everyday cracker." White devil is asking how these things translate to the everyday "cracker". He is NOT asking how they translate to edj.
So as it stands no one has yet to ask this man WHY he holds these views. I just proved white devil was asking about predominant anglo views, how they are widespread, applied, and how they translate to "the everyday cracker."
And I anticipated/expected your response, but it fails to meet my standards. If you want to get down to the bottom of edj's so-called racism you should ask him to specifically tell you why he holds these views.
No. EDJ failed to discuss the application of predominant anglo views, applications and how they translate to the everyday "cracker". If edj DID fail in discussing his personal experiences and how they have formed his so-called racism, it is because NO ONE EVER ASKED HIM TO DO IT.
Again, these things (things meaning edj's experiences) were NEVER addressed by ANY of you. NONE of you required him to explain himself. He has basically implied "you have made your mind up so why bother?" You have no proof that he is unwilling to discuss his personal experiences and how they may have contributed to his so-called racism because you have not asked him. The only thing you are going on his is back and fourth with white devil. Look at the tone of the convo and tell me what you see.
I have taken this into consideration and have addressed this.
This leads us back to the question that needs to be asked. WHY does HE feel this way?
@Sixxness you said:
Stop lying. You didn't know what I was going to say. If you knew what I was going to say you would have made some attempt to refute everything that was directed your way.
I most certainly will step aside. AS SOON AS YOU GROW A SET OF BALLS, STOP BEATING AROUND THE BUSH AND ASK THE MAN WHY HE HOLDS THE VIEWS IN QUESTION. As I have said, I am my OWN spokesman and speak for me. However, I speak out when I see wrong doings (or what I perceive as wrong.) I am speaking for what I believe is right and their is nothing YOU nor ANYONE else in this world can do to stop it. Once you ask EDJ to explain himself I am out of the picture because its on HIM to give an account of himself, and I have already explained this.
Actually his SILENCE proves you are wrong. Look at my FIRST response here http://siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=174680&page=11 and look at edj's response to my statement. Stop accusing me of bullshitting and drop your cowardly lion act. You either ask this man to explain how his experiences molded his so-called racism, or you continue to bath in your own cesspool of stupidity. The choice is entirely yours my friend. :dead:
^WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT OVER THE PHONE. AND I BELIEVE YOU KNOW A LOT MORE JUST ON THE STRENgTH THAT YOU SEEN SOME OF THE SAME SHIT.
BUT YOU STRESSED, "Are you going to explain how these things tie into YOUR beliefs and so-called racism or will you insist on being vague?"
FOR ONE, THIS SO CALLED "RACISM" IS A REACTION FROM THE OPPRESSION. FROM FIgHTIN' CASES, TO BEIN' ON THE RUN, TO HAVIN' TO ACT "WHITE" IN ORDER TO gET AHEAD IN THIS SOCIETY, TO HAVIN' MY SUBCULTURE BEIN' LABELED IgNORANT(FROM THE WAY I TALK, TO THE WAY I WALK AND SO FORTH). AND THIS AIN'T COUNTIN' THE POLICE OR LAWS.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "How have these things been a thorn in your side?"
MENTYALLY, I HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT, AND IT'S HARD BITIN' YOUR TONgUE. FROM MISSIN' OUT ON YEARS OF MY LIFE, TO WATCHIN' OTHAS HAVE IT BETTER THEN ME AND MY PEOPLES. FROM JOB REJECTIONS, TO WATCHIN' JUSTIFICATION OF RACIAL PROFILIN' AND HAVIN' TO ACCEPT THAT(BUT I NEVER WILL), TO BEIN' HUMILIATED AND OSTRACIZED. IT AIN'T NO FUN WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN USE YOUR REAL NAME AND HAVE TO WORK HARDER TO BE ON THE SAME LEVEL AS OTHAS.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "What experiences have YOU gone through that validate the above?"
INCARCERATION,
PULLED OVER UNJUSTLY,
CHARgED WITH CRIMES I NEVA COMMITTED,
NEVA gIVEN A CHANCE TO PROVE MY TALENT IN A JOB SETTIN',
DEALIN' WITH CORPORATE WHITE PEOPLE WHEN IN SUPERIOR POSITION TO ALWAYS BE LOOKED DOWN ON CAUSE THEY WILL STAB YOU IN THE BAK AND SMILE IN YOUR FACE,
POLICE AND LEgISLATORS MAKIN' NEW LAWS TO ANNHILIATE ME AND MY PEOPLES AND LYIN' TO THE PUBLIC,
WHITE PEOPLE AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMIN' SHIT ABOUT ME, AND THE LIST gOES ON............
BUT I DON'T HATE WHITE PEOPLE. I JUST AIN'T TOO FOND OF PREDOMINANT ANgLO SUBCULTURE, MENTALITY, AND VIEWS. AND I SAID THIS SINCE DAY ONE.
BUT YOU STRESSED, "Are you going to explain how these things tie into YOUR beliefs and so-called racism or will you insist on being vague?"
FOR ONE, THIS SO CALLED "RACISM" IS A REACTION FROM THE OPPRESSION. FROM FIgHTIN' CASES, TO BEIN' ON THE RUN, TO HAVIN' TO ACT "WHITE" IN ORDER TO gET AHEAD IN THIS SOCIETY, TO HAVIN' MY SUBCULTURE BEIN' LABELED IgNORANT(FROM THE WAY I TALK, TO THE WAY I WALK AND SO FORTH). AND THIS AIN'T COUNTIN' THE POLICE OR LAWS.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "How have these things been a thorn in your side?"
MENTYALLY, I HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT, AND IT'S HARD BITIN' YOUR TONgUE. FROM MISSIN' OUT ON YEARS OF MY LIFE, TO WATCHIN' OTHAS HAVE IT BETTER THEN ME AND MY PEOPLES. FROM JOB REJECTIONS, TO WATCHIN' JUSTIFICATION OF RACIAL PROFILIN' AND HAVIN' TO ACCEPT THAT(BUT I NEVER WILL), TO BEIN' HUMILIATED AND OSTRACIZED. IT AIN'T NO FUN WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN USE YOUR REAL NAME AND HAVE TO WORK HARDER TO BE ON THE SAME LEVEL AS OTHAS.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "What experiences have YOU gone through that validate the above?"
INCARCERATION,
PULLED OVER UNJUSTLY,
CHARgED WITH CRIMES I NEVA COMMITTED,
NEVA gIVEN A CHANCE TO PROVE MY TALENT IN A JOB SETTIN',
DEALIN' WITH CORPORATE WHITE PEOPLE WHEN IN SUPERIOR POSITION TO ALWAYS BE LOOKED DOWN ON CAUSE THEY WILL STAB YOU IN THE BAK AND SMILE IN YOUR FACE,
POLICE AND LEgISLATORS MAKIN' NEW LAWS TO ANNHILIATE ME AND MY PEOPLES AND LYIN' TO THE PUBLIC,
WHITE PEOPLE AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMIN' SHIT ABOUT ME, AND THE LIST gOES ON............
BUT I DON'T HATE WHITE PEOPLE. I JUST AIN'T TOO FOND OF PREDOMINANT ANgLO SUBCULTURE, MENTALITY, AND VIEWS. AND I SAID THIS SINCE DAY ONE.
And the reason I asked you to do this is because we HAVE met face to face and we DO talk. Others who have not been fortunate enough to do this will simply assume and form opinions based on nothing and thats not cool.
Here is another question (for those against so-called racism.) Does EDJ have the right to be HOSTILE because he has been persecuted?
Here is another question (for those against so-called racism.) Does EDJ have the right to be HOSTILE because he has been persecuted?
Damn Sixxness is getting fired on for nothing.
Let it be known that I am/was not going to ask EDJ for details, knowing that he has refused to do so in the past. The only reason he is now speaking up is because of the light HERESY put on him. If HERESY had not spoke in this thread I do not believe EDJ would have said shit.
No one ever asked me to explain myself when I was [several times over] labeled a racist by the very people that are knee deep in this dicsussion. It has been said that we are being assumptive, but that is simply not the case. If someone makes a racist comment, and for that we say this person is racist, then there are no assumptions.
How does living a troubled life as EDJ claims, give him the right to be hostile towards anyone? This same opressive white system that has "persecuted" EDJ has also landed my brother in prison twice, yet he blames no one but himself for the lifestyle he was living and the actions accompanied by it. Furthermore, I don't know that EDJ did not commit the crimes for which he was punished anymore than I know he did not committ 50 more that went unpunished. I don't know if he is blaming the (white) people around him for his shortcomings in order to rationalize his own failures. The only person he has a "right" to be hostile towards is himself.
Is being hostile towards white people going to help someone in life, or make things worse? And is this person trying to improve their life or not?
EDJ did not alleviate any impression that I had towards him. In fact, these "reasons" are not as bad as I thought they might be. I see a troubled individual who has issues with race relations. And being that I do not know him personally, I will not go any further than what I have seen on display in these forums.
Let it be known that I am/was not going to ask EDJ for details, knowing that he has refused to do so in the past. The only reason he is now speaking up is because of the light HERESY put on him. If HERESY had not spoke in this thread I do not believe EDJ would have said shit.
No one ever asked me to explain myself when I was [several times over] labeled a racist by the very people that are knee deep in this dicsussion. It has been said that we are being assumptive, but that is simply not the case. If someone makes a racist comment, and for that we say this person is racist, then there are no assumptions.
How does living a troubled life as EDJ claims, give him the right to be hostile towards anyone? This same opressive white system that has "persecuted" EDJ has also landed my brother in prison twice, yet he blames no one but himself for the lifestyle he was living and the actions accompanied by it. Furthermore, I don't know that EDJ did not commit the crimes for which he was punished anymore than I know he did not committ 50 more that went unpunished. I don't know if he is blaming the (white) people around him for his shortcomings in order to rationalize his own failures. The only person he has a "right" to be hostile towards is himself.
Is being hostile towards white people going to help someone in life, or make things worse? And is this person trying to improve their life or not?
EDJ did not alleviate any impression that I had towards him. In fact, these "reasons" are not as bad as I thought they might be. I see a troubled individual who has issues with race relations. And being that I do not know him personally, I will not go any further than what I have seen on display in these forums.
Only a select few called you a racist (I called you a BLIND RACIST), and instead of asking "why" you were one I told you why you were one (based on your statements.) But I think I DID ask you abou tyour area, where you grew up, your girlfriend, your job, experiences etc.
and six isn't getting fired on for nothing. He tried to stick it to me, and I wasn't in the mood for that. Wrong place...wrong time.
and six isn't getting fired on for nothing. He tried to stick it to me, and I wasn't in the mood for that. Wrong place...wrong time.