The USA is shut down. Where do you go?
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This statement is not clear and can easily be misconstrued. You're comparing whether or not something is okay to be said between whites to the mere presence of certain words being exchanged between blacks. To be more clear, it is similarily "okay" for whites to call each other cracker as it is for blacks to call each other nigger. Likewise, the exchange of these words, contrary to what you said, is much greater with blacks calling other blacks nigger, or nigga, as it is with whites using cracker or honkey. Of course I'm basing this on what I have seen and the people I have been around. I constantly see blacks calling each other nigga, as well as nigger (for comical use). On the other hand, I never see whites calling each other cracker or honkey, ever.
Please excuse the lack of quotation marks. I want this to be readable.
1. I never claimed to know the details of what history you know.
2. You said "IT'S EVERYDAY LIFE AND HOW SHIT IS." which was covered when I said your life expierences. So it appears I am correct.
3. How the fuck does me attacking your use of racial slurs show that I think white is right? I don't even know how white can be right.
I'm not going to tell you I've been there and done that. Instead I will say this - I always assume the worst. That is in reference to the reasons why EDJ holds his racist views. I assume he has been targeted by cops, that he has been discriminated upon, hell I assume his local church was burned down by the KKK in the middle of the night.
Yet I still stand here attacking the same things, asking the same questions.
I said "I don't buy any of it". I did not say (to my own recollection) that I "did not care" what he has been through.
Please excuse the lack of quotation marks. I want this to be readable.
1. I never claimed to know the details of what history you know.
2. You said "IT'S EVERYDAY LIFE AND HOW SHIT IS." which was covered when I said your life expierences. So it appears I am correct.
3. How the fuck does me attacking your use of racial slurs show that I think white is right? I don't even know how white can be right.
I'm not going to tell you I've been there and done that. Instead I will say this - I always assume the worst. That is in reference to the reasons why EDJ holds his racist views. I assume he has been targeted by cops, that he has been discriminated upon, hell I assume his local church was burned down by the KKK in the middle of the night.
Yet I still stand here attacking the same things, asking the same questions.
I said "I don't buy any of it". I did not say (to my own recollection) that I "did not care" what he has been through.
I know more than a few white people that do it, I know I do. And I'm sure you here them say "nigga" a hell of a lot more than "nigger." No matter if it's a joke or not. We've just been witness to different shit, but I will let you know that there are quite a few white people that do that shit a lot.
I know more white people that call other whites "racial slurs" than any other race that calls their "people" a racist term. "Nigga" isn't racist, it might come from "nigger" but that's an adaptation to the language. Point being, I see more whites being racist than others, towards each other and others. 99% of the time when someone is discriminating against me, it's a white person. And I usually have braids in, so it's them thinking I'm mixed or whatever the fuck their off base perception is.
My point was, whites call each other the actual racial slur, honkey, cracker, etc...They don't find a way to change the word to make it different and less negative, some white people just dont' give a fuck. I don't see many black people calling each other niggers, not even on a monthly basis. I'm going to class, so I can't finish my thought...Maybe later...
My point was, whites call each other the actual racial slur, honkey, cracker, etc...They don't find a way to change the word to make it different and less negative, some white people just dont' give a fuck. I don't see many black people calling each other niggers, not even on a monthly basis. I'm going to class, so I can't finish my thought...Maybe later...
He is not a an addict and can not be grouped in with the same people. He is acting in a sane mannar. The reason I say no one cares about your past pertains to him not allowing to be racist. Thats a cop out, you can not play race card in these times. Everyone gets a fair chance at life. If you want it then work for it. If he wants to be racist that is his choice , but Iam not going to stand by while he gets his kicks disrespecting white people, or any other race for that matter. Iam not crying anything. I do not think you read my post correctly. You pick and choose what I say and then try to use it against me. Do not sugar coat the issue. His racist views should not spread. I respect his right to free speech, but he has to respect mine.
@Nitro you said:
No, you didn't which is why I quoted ROB S4. He was the one who said it.
Why don't you ask him WHY he holds these views? Why don't you make attempts to get to the root of the problem? Instead of speculating ASK him to be SPECIFIC.
@ Rob you said:
I am not grouping him with addicts. I am using the BEHAVIOR of addicts and prostitutes to compare and contrast.
Some would disagree with this. They would do so on the grounds that racism is INSANE and not normal human behavior.
? Huh? Please rephrase this.
Who is playing the race card? Better yet what IS "the race card"?
What planet do YOU live on? Everyone gets a fair chance Rob? Explain to me how children in Iraq are getting a fair chance when they are being bombed. Explain to me how children in Africa being born HIV positive are getting a fair chance. Explain to me how orphans in america are getting a fair chance at life. Evereyone does NOT get a "fair chance" and truth be told if you are not WHITE the chances of you getting a "fair chance" decreases with the tone of your skin. THAT is the way of THIS world, Rob. This is REALITY and not the fantasy island-utopia you PRETEND to live on.
See the above.
Rob the ONLY thing you are going to do is make a trillion and one posts giving your perspective on EDJ's so-called racism. If he wants to be racist that IS his choice, but you do not understand WHY its his choice. Rob, why don't you ask him why he holds these views? Why don't you ask him to be specific?
Sure you are.
I read it correctly. What, you think black people are incapable of reading and comprehending a white mans post?
Rob the ONLY thing I quoted was your response to ME. That is what I used against you and you are correct I WILL use your words against you. Would it be better for me to use my words against you?
Like white americans have done? Why don't YOU stop sugar coating the issue and ASK the man to explain himself?
And yours should?
This is not an issue of free speech. I challange you to ask the man about his views and WHY he holds them. I challange you to ask for specifics. I challange you to make an ATTEMPT to understand HIS perspective.
No, you didn't which is why I quoted ROB S4. He was the one who said it.
Why don't you ask him WHY he holds these views? Why don't you make attempts to get to the root of the problem? Instead of speculating ASK him to be SPECIFIC.
@ Rob you said:
I am not grouping him with addicts. I am using the BEHAVIOR of addicts and prostitutes to compare and contrast.
Some would disagree with this. They would do so on the grounds that racism is INSANE and not normal human behavior.
? Huh? Please rephrase this.
Who is playing the race card? Better yet what IS "the race card"?
What planet do YOU live on? Everyone gets a fair chance Rob? Explain to me how children in Iraq are getting a fair chance when they are being bombed. Explain to me how children in Africa being born HIV positive are getting a fair chance. Explain to me how orphans in america are getting a fair chance at life. Evereyone does NOT get a "fair chance" and truth be told if you are not WHITE the chances of you getting a "fair chance" decreases with the tone of your skin. THAT is the way of THIS world, Rob. This is REALITY and not the fantasy island-utopia you PRETEND to live on.
See the above.
Rob the ONLY thing you are going to do is make a trillion and one posts giving your perspective on EDJ's so-called racism. If he wants to be racist that IS his choice, but you do not understand WHY its his choice. Rob, why don't you ask him why he holds these views? Why don't you ask him to be specific?
Sure you are.
I read it correctly. What, you think black people are incapable of reading and comprehending a white mans post?
Rob the ONLY thing I quoted was your response to ME. That is what I used against you and you are correct I WILL use your words against you. Would it be better for me to use my words against you?
Like white americans have done? Why don't YOU stop sugar coating the issue and ASK the man to explain himself?
And yours should?
This is not an issue of free speech. I challange you to ask the man about his views and WHY he holds them. I challange you to ask for specifics. I challange you to make an ATTEMPT to understand HIS perspective.
ROBS4
I'M RACIST RIgHT? BUT YOU CAME ON A SITE BASED ON A PREDOMINANT BLAK SUBCULTURED TYPE OF MUSIC, AND HAVE THE NERVE TO TRY TO BE WHAT YOU ARE. I CHILLED MAKIN' RACE THREADS AND AIN'T REALLY SPOKE UP ON IT, BUT HERE I AM TARgETTED. BUT WHEN A gROUP OF WHITES AND OTHAS gET TOgETHA AND START MAKIN' THREADS ABOUT RACIST JOKES, I SHOULD JUST TAKE IT? AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE MY SUBCULTURE? FUK THAT. THIS RAP SHIT FOR THE STREETS.
I'M RACIST RIgHT? BUT YOU CAME ON A SITE BASED ON A PREDOMINANT BLAK SUBCULTURED TYPE OF MUSIC, AND HAVE THE NERVE TO TRY TO BE WHAT YOU ARE. I CHILLED MAKIN' RACE THREADS AND AIN'T REALLY SPOKE UP ON IT, BUT HERE I AM TARgETTED. BUT WHEN A gROUP OF WHITES AND OTHAS gET TOgETHA AND START MAKIN' THREADS ABOUT RACIST JOKES, I SHOULD JUST TAKE IT? AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE MY SUBCULTURE? FUK THAT. THIS RAP SHIT FOR THE STREETS.
I should not have to, no one should really. Considering the aversion brought forth by his display of "racism", it is long past due for he himself to explain WHY he has these views such that people on this board would not as you say, speculate.
As I have said in the past; there are reasons for everything, but few things are excusable. I believe he has reasons for upholding his views, but I do not believe anything exists that would excuse them.
As I have said in the past; there are reasons for everything, but few things are excusable. I believe he has reasons for upholding his views, but I do not believe anything exists that would excuse them.
I'd say it's been made clear why he believes what he believes. Specific details to his life are irrelevant. If one can't grasp why EDJ believes what he does, they aren't reading what he says, they're just looking at the words like a fuckin picture book. I may disagree with him quite a bit but it's not hard to understand where he's coming from.
Maybe we are assuming because he has not explained himself. It works both ways. Being in his position with people already speculating, I would have explained myself a long time ago. But thats beside the point because I can ask--or require--him to explain himself, and supposing he does, I will be no further than I am right now, and I will ask the SAME questions. I am confused as to why that is so hard to understand. I am not so concerned with his racism as I am with how he is hypocritical in his use of it.
EDJ: How is that a response to what I said?
Or maybe he doesn't realize that we DO understand, but feel that such understanding insufficient. I understand why people rob banks and blow up sky scrapers, but I don't agree or condone either of them.
EDJ: How is that a response to what I said?
Or maybe he doesn't realize that we DO understand, but feel that such understanding insufficient. I understand why people rob banks and blow up sky scrapers, but I don't agree or condone either of them.
@ sixxness
No, it has not because you continue to assume why he has so-called racist beliefs. Until one of you questions him (and not in an accusatory manner) you will continue to go over the same thing. WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR ONE OF YOU TO ASK HIM WHY HE HAS THESE VIEWS? WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR THOSE CALLING HIM A RACIST TO ASK HIM SPECIFICS TO HIS SO-CALLED RACISM?
No, specific details ARE relevant. He has a RIGHT to hold the beliefs that he does, but you (and others) are afraid to aks him WHY he holds these beliefs. If you are saying he is a racist and imply or state racism is wrong you need to address the ROOT of the problem. YOU ARE OVERLOOKING THE CAUSE TO HIS SO-CALLED RACISM, AND THAT IS A BIG MISTAKE. STOP ASSUMING AND DEMAND THAT HE GIVE AN ACCOUNT OF HIMSELF.
Why should one grasp (which ACTUALLY means assume in this instance) why EDJ believes what he does, when ANY and ALL misconceptions can be cleared up by requiring EDJ to clarify and elaborate?
If you do NOT understand the motivation behind his so-called racism you are just as guilty as he is.
@Nitro
So why not ask him to explain himself? I've said this for YEARS, but to date not ONE person has ever asked this man WHY he believes what he does.
That is what YOU would have done. However, there is no accountability when people SPECULATE and form OPINIONS. There IS accountability when someone asks you WHY you are a so-called racist and require you to validate (or attempt to validate) your position/beliefs.
1. If you do ask him he is now accountable because you are no longer making assumptions. If you are no longer assuming, you are getting it from the horses mouth, and he can no longer make the claim that you are assuming or forming misconceptions. If he FAILS to answer you are now JUSTIFIED in your assumptions and assessments.
2. His ANSWERS will dictate if you are further or at a stand still. If he answers you in detail you will know have knowledge about his so-called racism and the motivation behind it. If you do not understand the driving force it is hard to attack his position.
Listen, if I say a nazi is racist because of experience what am I basing this on? How do I know the EXPERIENCE is RACIALLY MOTIVATED? What if the experience of the nazi is similar to Remy from higher learning? That being, having experienced REJECTION everywhere he went, he finally fit in with those who accepted him?
How is he being hypocritical in his use of it?
No, it has not because you continue to assume why he has so-called racist beliefs. Until one of you questions him (and not in an accusatory manner) you will continue to go over the same thing. WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR ONE OF YOU TO ASK HIM WHY HE HAS THESE VIEWS? WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR THOSE CALLING HIM A RACIST TO ASK HIM SPECIFICS TO HIS SO-CALLED RACISM?
No, specific details ARE relevant. He has a RIGHT to hold the beliefs that he does, but you (and others) are afraid to aks him WHY he holds these beliefs. If you are saying he is a racist and imply or state racism is wrong you need to address the ROOT of the problem. YOU ARE OVERLOOKING THE CAUSE TO HIS SO-CALLED RACISM, AND THAT IS A BIG MISTAKE. STOP ASSUMING AND DEMAND THAT HE GIVE AN ACCOUNT OF HIMSELF.
Why should one grasp (which ACTUALLY means assume in this instance) why EDJ believes what he does, when ANY and ALL misconceptions can be cleared up by requiring EDJ to clarify and elaborate?
If you do NOT understand the motivation behind his so-called racism you are just as guilty as he is.
@Nitro
So why not ask him to explain himself? I've said this for YEARS, but to date not ONE person has ever asked this man WHY he believes what he does.
That is what YOU would have done. However, there is no accountability when people SPECULATE and form OPINIONS. There IS accountability when someone asks you WHY you are a so-called racist and require you to validate (or attempt to validate) your position/beliefs.
1. If you do ask him he is now accountable because you are no longer making assumptions. If you are no longer assuming, you are getting it from the horses mouth, and he can no longer make the claim that you are assuming or forming misconceptions. If he FAILS to answer you are now JUSTIFIED in your assumptions and assessments.
2. His ANSWERS will dictate if you are further or at a stand still. If he answers you in detail you will know have knowledge about his so-called racism and the motivation behind it. If you do not understand the driving force it is hard to attack his position.
Listen, if I say a nazi is racist because of experience what am I basing this on? How do I know the EXPERIENCE is RACIALLY MOTIVATED? What if the experience of the nazi is similar to Remy from higher learning? That being, having experienced REJECTION everywhere he went, he finally fit in with those who accepted him?
How is he being hypocritical in his use of it?