The OFFICAL 9/11 thread "lest we forget"

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LISICKI

rosecityplaya
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EDJ said:
COCALEAFS,
YEAH, HIT ME BAK. BUT WHY EVEN CLOWN CUZZ LIKE THAT AND BRINg UP THAT FACT? THAT COMMENT CAN BE MISCONSTRUED HOWEVA WHICH WAY.
Some translation can be lost over the keyboard

I jus stated a fact and pointed out the obvious but the bottom line is some people i know might not appreciate the tech n9ne groupies choice of commentary

ie.

"WHITE BUT LOVE BLACK CHICKS"

But i digress

Troll good work with this thread, this is like the link and transcripted version of my thread lol, bottom line is we need more threads like this all the information is out there you jus gotta sit down and research shit and connect the dots.

in 3 days were gonna be subject to all sorts of government brainwashing reinforcment propagnda anyways so good to cut it off at the pass :chinese:
 
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I jus stated a fact and pointed out the obvious but the bottom line is some people i know might not appreciate the tech n9ne groupies choice of commentary

ie.

"WHITE BUT LOVE BLACK CHICKS"


Dude, I live in a part of KC that is like 80% black, at least. So I could care less if people YOU know would might get offended that I like there race. You know how many times black dudes be muggin me and talkin shit like "Come here girl, you know whiteboy don't hit it right." I did not say that I love black bitches, hoes, pussy, booty etc.. I say chicks (matter of fact imma change it to women) does that make you feel anybetter?

I am guessing that you are black due to how offended you got. How often do you see black dudes that only fuck wit white girls? They let it be known, and I dont get my panties all in a bunch. I think YOU are just JEALOUS because you have no life. I am done argueing with you, you are not worth it. You have still yet to point out my ignorant statements that you ATTEMPTED to 'clown' me for. Anyways, if you got somethin else to say let it be known.

And as far as me being a Tech N9ne 'groupie' QUIT SUCKIN ON THEM JELLYSICKLES.

PEACE
 

LISICKI

rosecityplaya
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ThizzIzWatItWaz said:
My bad homie you're right I shouldn't say to stfu... It just gets on my nerves. I don't post a lot but i frequently ghost these forums. It seems like anytime someone has a thread about 9/11, no matter what it is about it turns into "Your a sheep if you don't believe that the government was behind it!" It makes me sick. They may have very well been behind it. But you don't know that. Did any of you conduct any actual research? No, you have not, you let others BIASED research tell you what to think. You are the sheep following the heard. Same goes for those who think Bin Laden did it. They are all theories so there is no reason trying to convince someone that doesn't share the same view as you. The threads then turn into three or four people cutting each other down. GET OVER IT ITS ALL SPECULATION!

QUOTE Also, you are calling this a "conspiracy theory", but someone can easily say that your statement of, "It's not like citizens will ever be able to fight our government now anyways, they can do whatever they want, we gave them to much power and trust." is a conspiracy theory rooted in lunacy and derived from a vivid imagination. QUOTE

My statement is all you said it is, but this has not happened yet so I would call it paranoia. But honestly, the government could ruin us Americans rather quickly, don't you think?
Look folks im not gonna go back and forth about this, i woulda dropped it along time ago but i was just reiterating for EDJ

Everyone entitled to their opinion. This is yours, I have mine I dont wanna waste any more space in this quality thread with this obligatory nonsence.
 

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Sicc OG
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Hitler and the Reichstag Fire::History repeats itself..

In Jan., 1933, when Adolf Hitler became chancellor without an absolute majority, the Reichstag was dissolved and new elections were set for Mar. 5; a violent election campaign ensued. On Feb. 27, 1933, a fire destroyed part of the Reichstag building. Hitler immediately accused the Communists of having set the fire. President von Hindenburg proclaimed a state of emergency and issued decrees suspending freedom of speech and assembly. The elections gave a bare majority of seats to Hitler’s National Socialists (Nazis; see National Socialism) and their allies, the German Nationalists. Severe measures were taken against the Communist party, and its deputies were barred from the Reichstag.
The Nazis clearly gained and for that reason were the prime suspects from the first. However given Germany was immediately plunged into a state of total dictatorship it was initially difficult to gather hard evidence. There is circumstantial evidence that points to the Nazis. First van der Lubbe was, in the period, immediately before the fire in the clutches of a couple of a couple of SA men. Karl Ernst head of the SA in Berlin when asked by a fellow Dutch rightist whether his Storm Troopers were responsible for the fire answered "If I said Yes, I'd be a bloody fool, if I said no I'd be a bloody liar."

http://www.oilempire.us/reichstag-fire.html
http://www.notbored.org/reichstag-brule.html

reichstag:9/11 similarities
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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_reichstag.html
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0913-03.htm

 

askG

Sicc OG
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i dont understand ppl...its ok to believe in the ppl supposedly running youer cuontry but theres a gang of holes in everything the gov has said since 9.11 happened...plenty of proof of what this gov has done to its own military and citizens to question everything they say about everything that happens...we should all question what they do and say, after all theyre using our tax dollars to run shit, it aint like thyre printing paper money from some magicmachine, thats thousands of bones thyve took from me since i started working and paying for shit...and the half ass investigation and answers they give us dont sit to well with me to just sit back and think theyre running shit to benefit us the citizens...if im giving money to collection every sunday at church and see the church looking the same and the priest rolling in a 07 ride, then ima be looking at shit differently...

deadpool aka mcleanhatch why you only post up explanations to a few of thepoints that troll put up?...he put up more than a few as well as some links..

and i tend to agree with youtubes videos which show actual video evidence of some shady shit going down than just letting bush mumble the words ntnl security, terrorists, freedom, etc etc over 20 times on each speech he gives..

wake up ppl. if shit dont make sense shit dont make sense...you dont gotta be a "conspiracy" nut to question what the gov does...all you gotta do is be aware that this country has done ill to many ppl around the world and within this country itself...why should i believe they really hold our interest at heart
 
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^^^
well said homie.. i think the reason that the non-believers cant adress all of the facts is because then they would have to fall back on the arguement of it all being a 'coincidence'... knowing thats a losing arguement they choose not to adress anything that hasn't already been disputed by someone who has a biased slant in there favor..a sort of 'out of sight out of mind' type thing.. its sad how they let politics get in the way of truth.. those of us who can look at ALL the facts presented and see them for what they are without a political slant are the TRUE patriots of this country..
 
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Patriot act...

James Madison said:
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." -1788

-------------------the patriot act broken down into sections----------------

PRESIDENTIAL AUTHORITY (seizure of assets without due process)
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section101.html#106

AUTHORITY TO INTERCEPT WIRE, ORAL, AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS RELATING TO TERRORISM
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section201.html#201

AUTHORITY TO INTERCEPT WIRE, ORAL, AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS RELATING TO COMPUTER FRAUD AND ABUSE OFFENSES
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section201.html#202

AUTHORITY TO SHARE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE INFORMATION
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section201.html#203

ROVING SURVEILLANCE AUTHORITY UNDER THE FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE ACT OF 1978
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section201.html#206

DURATION OF FISA SURVEILLANCE OF NON-UNITED STATES PERSONS WHO ARE AGENTS OF A FOREIGN POWER
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section201.html#207

AUTHORITY FOR DELAYING NOTICE OF THE EXECUTION OF A WARRANT
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section213.html#213

ACCESS TO RECORDS AND OTHER ITEMS UNDER THE FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE ACT
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section213.html#215

MODIFICATION OF AUTHORITIES RELATING TO USE OF PEN REGISTERS AND TRAP AND TRACE DEVICES
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section213.html#216

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section213.html#218

SUNSET [laws]
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section224.html#224

TITLE III--INTERNATIONAL MONEY LAUNDERING ABATEMENT AND ANTI-TERRORIST FINANCING ACT OF 2001
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section301.html#301

ANTI-TERRORIST FORFEITURE PROTECTION
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section312.html#316

AMENDMENTS RELATING TO REPORTING OF SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITIES
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section351.html#351

BANK SECRECY PROVISIONS AND ACTIVITIES OF UNITED STATES INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES TO FIGHT INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section351.html#358

REPORT ON THE INTEGRATED AUTOMATED FINGERPRINT IDENTIFICATION SYSTEM FOR PORTS OF ENTRY AND OVERSEAS CONSULAR POSTS
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section401.html#405

DEFINITIONS RELATING TO TERRORISM
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section411.html#411

ATTORNEY GENERAL'S AUTHORITY TO PAY REWARDS TO COMBAT TERRORISM
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section501.html#501

DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section802.html#802

DEFINITION OF FEDERAL CRIME OF TERRORISM
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section802.html#808

RESPONSIBILITIES OF DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE REGARDING FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE COLLECTED UNDER FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE ACT OF 1978
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section901.html#901

TEMPORARY AUTHORITY TO DEFER SUBMITTAL TO CONGRESS OF REPORTS ON INTELLIGENCE AND INTELLIGENCE-RELATED MATTERS
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section901.html#904

FEASIBILITY STUDY ON USE OF BIOMETRIC IDENTIFIER SCANNING SYSTEM WITH ACCESS TO THE FBI INTEGRATED AUTOMATED FINGERPRINT IDENTIFICATION SYSTEM AT OVERSEAS CONSULAR POSTS AND POINTS OF ENTRY TO THE UNITED STATES
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section1001.html#1008
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What is Section 215?
....(1)Section 215 allows the FBI to order any person or entity to turn over "any tangible things," so long as the FBI "specif[ies]" that the order is "for an authorized investigation . . . to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities."

....(2)Section 215 vastly expands the FBI's power to spy on ordinary people living in the United States, including United States citizens and permanent residents.

....(3)The FBI need not show probable cause, nor even reasonable grounds to believe, that the person whose records it seeks is engaged in criminal activity.

....(4)The FBI need not have any suspicion that the subject of the investigation is a foreign power or agent of a foreign power.

....(5)The FBI can investigate United States persons based in part on their exercise of First Amendment rights, and it can investigate non-United States persons based solely on their exercise of First Amendment rights.
For example, the FBI could spy on a person because they don't like the books she reads, or because they don't like the web sites she visits. They could spy on her because she wrote a letter to the editor that criticized government policy.

....(6)Those served with Section 215 orders are prohibited from disclosing the fact to anyone else. Those who are the subjects of the surveillance are never notified that their privacy has been compromised. If the government had been keeping track of what books a person had been reading, or what web sites she had been visiting, the person would never know.

--------------------Is Section 215 Constitutional?????--------------------

....(1)Normally, the government cannot effect a search without obtaining a warrant and showing probable cause to believe that the person has committed or will commit a crime. Section 215 violates the Fourth Amendment by allowing the government to effect Fourth Amendment searches without a warrant and without showing probable cause.

....(2)The violation of the Fourth Amendment is made more egregious by the fact that Section 215 might be used to obtain information about the exercise of First Amendment rights. For example, the FBI could invoke Section 215 to require a library to produce records showing who had borrowed a particular book or to produce records showing who had visited a particular web site.

....(3)Section 215 might also be used to obtain material that implicates privacy interests other than those protected by the First Amendment. For example, the FBI could use Section 215 to obtain medical records.
The provision violates the First Amendment by prohibiting those served with Section 215 orders from disclosing that fact to others, even where there is no real need for secrecy.

....(4)The provision violates the First Amendment by effectively authorizing the FBI to investigate U.S. persons, including American citizens, based in part on their exercise of First Amendment activity, and by authorizing the FBI to investigate non-U.S. persons based solely on their exercise of First Amendment activity.

....(5)The provision violates the Fourth and Fifth Amendments by failing to require that those who are the subject of Section 215 orders be told that their privacy has been compromised.

----------Doesn't the government need these powers?----------

....(1)The government already has the authority to prosecute anyone whom it has probable cause to believe has committed or is planning to commit a crime. It also has the authority to engage in surveillance of anyone whom it has probable cause to believe is a foreign power or spy - whether or not the person is suspected of any crime.

....(2)Section 215 takes away a great deal of our liberty and privacy but isn't likely to get us any security in return. There's a real possibility that setting the FBI loose on the American public will have a profound chilling effect on public discourse. If people think that their conversations and their e-mails are their reading habits are being monitored, people will inevitably feel less comfortable saying what they think, especially if what they think is not what the government wants them to think.


-------------------Is the FBI abusing its powers?-----------------------

...(1)Attorney General Ashcroft has gone to great lengths to keep secret even the most basic information about the FBI's spying. For example, in answering questions posed by the House Judiciary Committee, he classified information that should not have been classified, including information that would have shown how often the FBI is spying on people based on their exercise of First Amendment rights.

.....(2)The little information that we do have suggests that the FBI is abusing its powers. For example, a survey conducted by the University of Illinois suggested that, by December 2001, the FBI had already approached 85 out of some 1500 libraries.
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the actual document
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http://www.aclu.org/FilesPDFs/patriot_text.pdf

ACLU Asks Court to Order Government to Account for its Use of Vast New Surveillance Powers
http://www.aclu.org/privacy/spying/15424prs20021024.html

The USA PATRIOT Act Was Planned Before 9/11
http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/MiddleEast/TerrorInUSA/USAPA.asp
 
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Patriot act 2

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well.. i was gonna save this for tonight but heh.. i could tell u right now what it will be like in the not to far future if/when they pass patriot act 2....
It is frightening to think that our leaders would try to undermine our civil liberties through a cynical manipulation of public opinion in time of war. It would be even more frightening if they succeeded.-Jack M. Balkin, a professor at Yale Law School, is author of "The Laws of Change" (Schocken Press, 2002).
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establishment of a national ID card, disguised as national standardization of drivers licensing;
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establishment of a national electronic database for birth and death certificates, with permanent identifying information assigned to each individual, such as a national ID number;
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biometric identifiers - including fingerprints, face recognition software photos, iris or retinal scans, and other private physical identification - for travel documents which would be used for security in domestic air travel as well as overseas travel;
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expanded secret eavesdropping and search powers to be used against individuals suspected of terrorist activity, whether or not the individual is associated with a foreign power;
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further weakening of individual privacy rights in library, medical, and other personal records, removing all federal court oversight;
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enhanced "material support" provisions, allowing guilt by association with a group targeted by the administration; removal of habeas corpus relief for those detained under repressive immigration measures;
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approval of automatic detention without bail in immigration matters at the government's request;
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increased secrecy in immigration court matters;
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approval of the use of secret evidence in immigration courts - secret even to the immigrant being examined;
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deportation of immigrants before final appeal;
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allowing the death penalty in terrorism cases (with "terrorism" as defined in the USA PATRIOT Act);
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explicit approval of transfer of prisoners suspected of terrorism to nations known to practice torture;
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http://911review.org/Wiki/PatriotAct2.shtml

Should you be scared of the Patriot Act?::
http://www.slate.com/id/2088106/

House Judiciary Chairman Hesitant on Patriot Act II::
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84320,00.html
 
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COCALEAFS said:
But i digress

Troll good work with this thread, this is like the link and transcripted version of my thread lol, bottom line is we need more threads like this all the information is out there you jus gotta sit down and research shit and connect the dots.

in 3 days were gonna be subject to all sorts of government brainwashing reinforcment propagnda anyways so good to cut it off at the pass :chinese:
lol i kno this is a late reply but haha u read my mind exactly.. when i first heard the abc docudrama was going to be fed to our children i realized that they're gonna pull hard the strings of propaganda near elections so ur right i thought it wouldnt be a bad idea to summarize the things they choose not to talk about before to counteract the wave of brainwashing thats going to commence..