The Last of the Siccness Christians
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By 'God sacrificed himself', do you mean Jesus? Aren't Jesus and God two different people according to your trinitarianism?
And so the story was written. Do you think that maybe those people who devised your religion thought that a story centred around a kind yet vengeful God would appeal to a high percentage of people and thus justify belief in 'Him' more than other equally believable Gods? You are correct with your opening statement - I am a skeptic (athiest) and therefore think all Gods are the same based on the 'theory' that none of them exist - what is the difference between a non-existent God and a non-existent Allah?
Popular opinion doesn't make Christianity any better or more true than other religions. What if muslims wiped out every christian on Earth 1000 years ago - your God would be relegated to the dust-bin of history, just like Zeus and Ra - I couldn't have said it better than Oscar Wilde when he stated “Truth, in matters of religion, is simply the opinion that has survived.” and on the same note; “No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they have few followers now.” – Arthur C. Clarke (these quotes were taken from those I posted on the quotes thread). If the teachings of the Old and New Testament never change, then why are there so many different forms of religion which follow the same God? Shouldn't they all have reached a consensus on what those teachings mean and how they translate into everyday life?
And so the story was written. Do you think that maybe those people who devised your religion thought that a story centred around a kind yet vengeful God would appeal to a high percentage of people and thus justify belief in 'Him' more than other equally believable Gods? You are correct with your opening statement - I am a skeptic (athiest) and therefore think all Gods are the same based on the 'theory' that none of them exist - what is the difference between a non-existent God and a non-existent Allah?
Popular opinion doesn't make Christianity any better or more true than other religions. What if muslims wiped out every christian on Earth 1000 years ago - your God would be relegated to the dust-bin of history, just like Zeus and Ra - I couldn't have said it better than Oscar Wilde when he stated “Truth, in matters of religion, is simply the opinion that has survived.” and on the same note; “No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they have few followers now.” – Arthur C. Clarke (these quotes were taken from those I posted on the quotes thread). If the teachings of the Old and New Testament never change, then why are there so many different forms of religion which follow the same God? Shouldn't they all have reached a consensus on what those teachings mean and how they translate into everyday life?
I'm happy you said this, but sad at the same time. If you're going to argue with me about Christianity, read the bible Please! Jesus was full of Sin because he took the sins of the world upon his shoulder, and when you're in the presence of God you can't be unclean, Jesus was unclean because he bore our sins upon his shoulder. The father couldn't look at Jesus because of that.
I'm glad you ask this brother. There are two different types of Beliefs of what the Christian God is, is he a Trinity, or is he one under many names. Again there's the Trinitarian, the belief in three persons one God, or One good using three. I'll give an example, an Egg has three parts. The Yoke, the Whites, and the Shell, are they not different from each other or distinct? Yes, but are they all part of the egg as a whole. Same applies to God and his Deity. So there are three distinct Persons, The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, but just like the egg analogy, so is God. They make up one.
No they are the same, but God has three Distinct Persons, like I said, what's the confusion?
No look at Hemp, his religion also appeals to the masses, he gave up on his "GOD"
The Difference, is one exists, and one doesn't :dead: DUH!
It never did so why even bring it up such a notion?
So now an atheist, WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE IN GOD, is questioning my God, and whether or not I can prove the existence or non-existence of other gods.
WHAT?! Judaism and Christianity, they are the same, Judaism was established before Christianity and Judaism was for the Hebrews, or the Old Covenant. Christianity was for all races, tongues, and kin and the new covenant of God, meaning all who believed in Jesus was part of this covenant. WHAT NEW RELIGIONS OR OTHER RELIGIONS ARE THERE? You must mean denominations
Tell that to Organized Religion.
No look at Hemp, his religion also appeals to the masses, he gave up on his "GOD"
The Difference, is one exists, and one doesn't :dead: DUH!
It never did so why even bring it up such a notion?
So now an atheist, WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE IN GOD, is questioning my God, and whether or not I can prove the existence or non-existence of other gods.
WHAT?! Judaism and Christianity, they are the same, Judaism was established before Christianity and Judaism was for the Hebrews, or the Old Covenant. Christianity was for all races, tongues, and kin and the new covenant of God, meaning all who believed in Jesus was part of this covenant. WHAT NEW RELIGIONS OR OTHER RELIGIONS ARE THERE? You must mean denominations
Tell that to Organized Religion.
If God exists in three separate forms (the father, the son and the holy spirit), just like an egg (the yolk, the white and the shell), does that not mean God is divisible? I assumed that God exists in whole in each of the three manifestations (Jesus IS God, the Father IS God, the holy spirit IS God), not that each of those in the trinity is a constituent of God. Does that mean that God is not the be all and end all but is instead just a metaphysical 'machine' composed of three separate and distinct parts?
Can't you understand my confusion? You used the egg metaphor to simplify trinitinarism in your previous post, stating that the yolk, white and shell are three distinct components which make up an egg (just like the father, the son and the holy spirit are three distinct components which make up God). Of course, I'm sure you're aware that the yolk is not the same as the white, which is not the same as the shell. The shell is not the egg, it is the shell. The father is not God, he is the father.
Several people have also given up on your God. Not only that, but they've chosen to believe in a different God.
Your own personal opinion, with not a shred of evidence in support. There is equally as much evidence supporting the existence of their Gods than yours - the only thing which makes your own God more real than theirs is your own extremely biast, subjective opinion.
No. I'm comfortable with the fact that it is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of ANY God, be it yours or anyone elses. Are you surprised to find that myself, an athiest, is questioning your God? That's what I do!
Several people have also given up on your God. Not only that, but they've chosen to believe in a different God.
Your own personal opinion, with not a shred of evidence in support. There is equally as much evidence supporting the existence of their Gods than yours - the only thing which makes your own God more real than theirs is your own extremely biast, subjective opinion.
No. I'm comfortable with the fact that it is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of ANY God, be it yours or anyone elses. Are you surprised to find that myself, an athiest, is questioning your God? That's what I do!
i dont think god exist in a combination like stockton claims. altough i believe all three entities exist i dont believe they're all god per se. but i think the ultimate purpose of them all is to unite us as one.
i believe god send his only son to save the rest of his creation from sin. the reason i think jesus is gods only son is because he is the only one thats sin free. since he was sin free and possesed all the characteristics of a god he was god-like, but not god himself. thats why when he died he ask the father (aka god himself) why he had forsakened him. because he took in all of our sins and god could not even bare to look at him. the reason he was gods first son is that he was the first one to demonstrate to god his love through obidience, since the fall of man.
i believe god gave us the holy spirit as a conscience. through the holy spirit god can guide us. thus i believe that all the conscience really is, is the holy spirit, guiding us.
what is it guiding us to do?
to become god like, like his only son jesus. so we can also join him in his kingdom, because if you sin you are not god-like therefore cannot be in gods presence. so the next logical question would be, what characteristics does one have to posses in order to qualify as a god?
i think the answer to this is simple, LOVE.
what other characteristic other than love fits the criteria and has the ability to change your character to that of gods if you truly follow that believe? NOTHING
i believe god send his only son to save the rest of his creation from sin. the reason i think jesus is gods only son is because he is the only one thats sin free. since he was sin free and possesed all the characteristics of a god he was god-like, but not god himself. thats why when he died he ask the father (aka god himself) why he had forsakened him. because he took in all of our sins and god could not even bare to look at him. the reason he was gods first son is that he was the first one to demonstrate to god his love through obidience, since the fall of man.
i believe god gave us the holy spirit as a conscience. through the holy spirit god can guide us. thus i believe that all the conscience really is, is the holy spirit, guiding us.
what is it guiding us to do?
to become god like, like his only son jesus. so we can also join him in his kingdom, because if you sin you are not god-like therefore cannot be in gods presence. so the next logical question would be, what characteristics does one have to posses in order to qualify as a god?
i think the answer to this is simple, LOVE.
what other characteristic other than love fits the criteria and has the ability to change your character to that of gods if you truly follow that believe? NOTHING
OK, so instead of the father, the son and the holy spirit comprising three distinct parts of God (like the yolk, white and shell), they are essentially different manifestations of the exact same God. Would this analogy be more accurate? Three interconnected computers, each one with the exact same hardware, software, files and folders, i.e. identical - if one computer goes down, the other two computers still contain the total sum of knowledge. In other words, although the father, the son and the holy spirit are distinct individuals, they all share the same 'brain'. How's that?
By the way Stockton, I'm not deliberately trying to viciously attack Christianity in this thread. Yes, I am questioning your God and your beliefs because I am an athiest. To a true believer, these questions usually have the effect of strengthening their belief. To me, these questions clear up what Christians claim to be misconceptions brought about by the athiest way of thinking, or my 'ignorance' of biblical concepts if you like. I doubt that I will ever believe in any God, but I'd still like to gain some sort of understanding as to why others believe in 'Him'.
By the way Stockton, I'm not deliberately trying to viciously attack Christianity in this thread. Yes, I am questioning your God and your beliefs because I am an athiest. To a true believer, these questions usually have the effect of strengthening their belief. To me, these questions clear up what Christians claim to be misconceptions brought about by the athiest way of thinking, or my 'ignorance' of biblical concepts if you like. I doubt that I will ever believe in any God, but I'd still like to gain some sort of understanding as to why others believe in 'Him'.