THE FAKEST RELIgION

[nefar559]

@Nefar,

You know that without the Apocrypha, the bible has a perfect and concealed equasion right?

i dont know much about the bible, but if i wanted to pick up a version to read it would be the 'The Bible, Revised Standard Version' becuase it is very accurate.

i dont really know to much about the Apocrypha, and the other thing u said about it begin a perfect equation...what did u mean by that? if u dont mind explaining.

 

[I AM]

BUT WHICH RELIgION OR FORM OF FAITH IS THE FAKEST TO YOU AND WHY?

christianity.....i've been learning about it in philosophy and it's a bullshit religion....the fact that one mission of the religion is to reach as many people as possible annoys me....it's like they want everyone else to believe the same shit as them becuase everyone else is wrong and i think that's a load of crap.

i don't believe in any god, so most religions are rediculous to me, but christianity is by far the stupidest one.....all that water spreading apart and mt sanai shit is just corny.....the principles of the religion aren't very good either......you've got all these fucks that follow Jesus around and ride his dick, then when he get's killed they go around and tell EVERYONE they can about it.....sounds like a bunch of fuckin drama queens and gossipers to me.....and the resurrection thing is just way too over the top, i don't know how anyone could believe that.....yeah, some devine being, that NOBODY has ever seen brought Jesus back to life because he is the Messiah? give me a fuckin break.

 

[EDJ]

MIggIDY,

YOU STRESSED, "Exactly", WHEN ASKED,
"KIND OF LIKE THE BLIND LEADIN' THE BLIND?"
WHEN YOU STRESSED, "Yes that is why I go by The Word and not what someone else makes out of the Word."

SO YOU SAYIN' THAT YOU ARE BLIND TRYIN' TO STUDY THE SCRIPTURES BY YOURSELF WITHOUT DIRECTION?



THEN YOU STRESSED, "That’s basically what they did."

HOW'S THAT?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "What do you get out of what Jesus said regarding the end of days?"

ALL KIND OF SHIT. WHAT YOU gET OUT OF IT?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "What do you make out of the book of Revelation?"

THAT MOST OF IT IS SYMBOLIC OF SHIT HAPPENIN' NOW AND WHAT IS TO COME.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "The gospels and Revelation all support this “hell” you see as a theory."

WHO SAID I SEE IT AS A THEORY? THE gOSPELS PREACH OF A HELL, BUT IT'S NOT THE SAME PLACE MENTIONED IN REVELATION. AND AgAIN I ASK, WHAT IS THE HEBREW WORD FOR HELL AND WHAT CONTEXT IS IT USED?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Am I right or wrong?"

WRONg. YOU'RE ASSUMPTIVE BEHAVIOR SEEMS BLASHPHEMOUS.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "A JW’s ticket to heaven lies in his works?"

NOPE. FUNNY YOU SHOULD SAY THAT STATEMENT CAUSE MOST JEHOVAH WITNESS BELIEVE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A HEAVENLY TICCET.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Isn’t that why they’re always at people’s houses tryin to recruit new members?"

NOPE. THEY'RE THERE SHARIN' THE gOOD NEWS JESUS INSTRUCTED AND SHOWED ALL HIS FOLLOWERS TO DO.(MT 9:35)(MT. 24:14)(MR. 13:10) THAT'S WHAT REAL CHRISTIANS SHOULD DO IF THEY ARE INDEED FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "They compete amongst themselves man cuz 144,000 is a small number.
Not a good way to live…."

LOL@YOUR ASSUMPTIONS AND IgNORANCE OF THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS. 144,000 ARE BOUgHT FROM THE EARTH. THE REST IS THE OTHA CROWD AND DON'T HAVE A HEAVENLY SALVATION BUT AN EARTHLY ONE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Keep reading."

I DID AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE 144,000.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Revelation says the 144,000 will assist Jesus with his battle against Satan"

YUP. BUT YOU USIN' THE TERM "ASS KICCIN'" JUST gAVE ME A POWER RANgER VISUAL AND LIKE MUTHA-FUKAS WAS VIOLENT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Ok so we agree here to some extent.
I haven’t finished reading Revelation but from what I hear, it does mention a new Earth where everything will be perfect.
Is that correct?"

YES. YOU'RE FINALLY SEEIN' THE LIgHT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Oh yeah, what do you make out of the great crowd that John saw in Heaven."

THOSE ARE THE ONES WITH AN EARTHLY DESTINATION.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Do you think this crowd is the same 144,000?"

NOPE. THEY ARE THE OTHA SHEEP.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "It seems to me they are not the same ones, but Jesus’s own believers since Revelation says that they will serve the Lamb."

CORRECT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I don’t think God changed his mind. Satan threw a wrench into his plans."

HE TRIED AND IT SEEMS LIKE HE SUCCEEDIN'. BUT (gOD)'S WORD IS FINAL IN EVERYTHANg. SO IF CUZZ PLANNED TO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL EARTH WITH PERFECT HUMANS RESIDIN' IN HAPPINESS AND BEIN' FRUITFUL, THEN HIS PLAN HASN'T CHANgED. HE STILL gOTS THAT IN STORE. WHICH MEANS THAT THE DOCTRINE OF EVERYBODY gOIN' TO HEAVEN IF THEY gOOD IS A LIE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "So you think this was all God’s plan?"

NOPE. gOD'S PLAN WAS TO HAVE A PARADISAIC EARTH WITH PERFECT HUMANS LIVIN' ON IT, REJOICIN' OVER HIS gLORY.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "If so then do you think it was part of his plan to create Satan and have him persuade other angels to rebel against God?"

HELL NAW.


THEN YOU STRESSED, "And who’s research was that?"

ALL KIND OF BIBLE STUDENTS IN SEARCH OF TRUTH.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Didn’t Russel also have connections with the occult?"

WHO TOLD YOU THAT?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "All I’ve seen is theories man.
Would you be kind enough to point me out to this research you talk about cuz I can’t find it anywhere. I don’t think it even exists, it seems to be only a theory."

WHATEVA IS IN SCRIPTURE CAN BE CROSS REFERENCED AND RESEARCHED. BUT DOCTRINES AND HISTORICAL DATA CAN BE RESEARCHED. EVERYTHANg CAN BE RESEARCHED TO SEE IF IT IS INTEgRALLY WHAT IT IS. THEORIES ARE HYPOTHESIS THAT CAN'T BE RESEARCHED.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "You ever listened to your subconscious?"

CAN'T REALLY SAY THAT I HAVE. BUT I HAVE LISTENED TO MY CONSCIENCE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "It’s always right."

I BEg TO DIFFER.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "It talks to us even when we are conscious but we ain’t listening."

HOW YOU KNOW?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "You ever have an answer for a question before a person finishes asking?"

I CAN'T SAY THAT I HAVE. I'M NOT ASSUMPTIVE LIKE THAT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "You ever find yourself puzzled and scratching your head cuz you can’t figure something out."

I DON'T LITERALLY SCRATCH MY HEAD. BUT SOMETIMES I WONDER WHY THIS AND THAT AND THAT AND THIS.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "You then ask yourself the question in your mind and the answer jumps at you out of no where?"

NOT ME MAN.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "It’s the subconscious bro….
People say your first guess is always the correct one.
Or every time you find yourself questioning what you are doing, that’s your subconscious tryin to tell you something."

IS THAT RIgHT?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Listen to it, and follow it’s advice. It’s never wrong and it will always lead you on the right path."

I DON'T THINK SO. CAUSE YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS IS INFLUENCED BY YOUR CONSCIOUS, ASUMPTIONS, AND SO FORTH. AND WE AIN'T PERFECT. NONE OF US ARE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I’m a building engineer with this software and hardware company, 10 minutes South of Frisco. I only work when something breaks so I get a lot of time to post in here and shit during the day."

LOOK AT YOU BIg BALLA, PUTTIN' IT DOWN. YOU NEED TO HOOK YOUR BOY UP.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "My bro’s and I are working on a group album.
I hear you. Well I’ll shoot you an e-mail next week so we can talk. I don’t plan on going to the gym until we finish this shit I’ll make time to talk about this shit.
Fuckin shit has consumed my life, for the better of coarse.
I’m sure you’re going through the same deal."

DO THE DAMN THANg THEN.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Yeah, that’s exactly what I wanted to do. I wanted to e-mail them and discuss my disagreements with them."

YOU NEED TO LOOK IN THE SITE AND HIT LINKS AND SO FORTH.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I think you got that hat on too tight bro. LOL!
Peep this:
http://www.bibleontheweb.com/Bible.asp

You know what’s so ironic?
You guys are missing 2 lines that speak about muthafuckas who try to deceive people by twistin the scripture.
Coincedence?
LOL!
“26These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. 27But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.”"

I DID NOT FIND THOSE TEXTS(EVEN THE SITE YOU REFFERRED ME TO.) WHAT BIBLE IS YOU LOOKIN' FROM? KINg JAMES VERSION DOESN'T HAVE THAT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Sounds like Jehova Wittnesses talk.
But I'll try to find those flaws you claim it has."

HOW'S THAT JEHOVAH WITNESS TALK? THEY MUST BE THAT BRIgHT TO LOOK SHIT UP FOR THEMSELVES THEN.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "LOL! You tellin me????"

YUP. LISTEN TO YOURSELF.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Elohim is plural for God. And the word LORD refers to a single Elohim called Jehova."

YOU HAVE FELL VICTIM TO THE SUPERSTITIOUS ACTS OF THE JEWS(WHO TRADITIONALLY OMMITTED (gOD)'S PERSONAL NAME FROM THE SCRIPTURES. THE TITLE "gOD" IS 'EL OR 'ELOH'AH IN SINgULAR AND 'ELOH'IM IS PLURAL.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Call it what you will, you can call it a tag team but I'll call it a trinity."

WHERE DID THAT WORD COME FROM? CAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE BIBLE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "LOL! What's the difference then?"

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WITHOUT THE PROPER TITLE, IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THAT PASSAgE CAN BE MISINTERPRETED.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I know this is pissing you off hahahaha...."

YOU DON'T KNOW THAT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Follow me bro, Jesus opens the seal which removes the Spirit.
Read Revelation."

FIFTY FIRST OF ALL,
I'M NOT A FOLLOWER.

XCONDLY,
CLEAN IT ON UP THEN.

THIRDLY,
I'VE READ AND STUDIED REVELATION. IT'S UP TO YOU TO BRINg THE FACTS AND WHAT'S STRESSED AND IN WHAT SCRIPTURE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Haven't you read the scripture?
It's all over the gospels, Jesus always talks about this. Anyone who reads them has come across this."

YES, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU TO BRINg IT TO THE TABLE AND MAKE IT RELEVANT TO THE POINTS YOU TRYIN' TO MAKE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "As for me switching it up, I didn't. You just ain't followin me, maybe I'm not explainin shit well but I'm tryin my best."

YOU DID. IF I FOLLOWED YOU, I'D BE A gULLIBLE MUTHA-FUKA THAT AIN'T WORTH HOLDIN' MY OWN, AND YOU TRYIN' TO SWITCH UP THE SUBJECT MATTER BASED ON YOUR CONFUSION.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I was talkin about them people who you say don't have a heavenly destination."

EXACTLY. YOU ASSUMIN' THAT N-E-BODY THAT DOESN'T gO TO HEAVEN, gOES TO HELL(IN YOUR DEPICTION, A PLACE OF TORMENT) WHICH IS NOT ACCURATE. YOU TO HUNg UP ON CONVENTIONAL CHURCH DOgMA.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Well then what do you have to say "now" about those who miss the ticket to Heaven? What's their destiny?"

THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE A HEAVENLY DESTINATION, HAVE AN EARTHLY ONE. AND I'VE BEEN TELLIN' YOU THIS TIME AND AgAIN.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I know you won't agree since you're coming from a JW background but for the sake of not arguing this one, I'll go along."

THAT AIN'T gOT SHIT TO DO WITH IT.

 

[EDJ]

CONTINUATION.....

MIggIDY,
YOU STRESSED, "According to Jesus, yes even murderers can be saved.
But you cannot fool God, he knows if you really are sincere with your repentance."

I ALREADY KNOW THIS. THIS IS BASIC SHIT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "True, because one with a good heart will produce good works."

EXACTLY.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Denial is a common reaction"

IF INDEED THAT WAS TRUE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "You claim that you’ve made your choices according to what you know.
How could you miss this?
I’m not here to do your research.
I ain’t lying so the burden is on you.
I thought we were having this convo because you knew at least as much as I did.
“Seek and you shall find”
Jesus…."

WHO SAID I MISSED N-E-THANg? THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS UP TO YOU TO PROVIDE SCRIPTURE TO BAK YOUR POINTS, NOT ASSUME THAT SHIT IS gENERAL KNOWLEDgE AND SINCE I'VE READ THE SCRIPTURES THAT I SHOULD KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKIN' ABOUT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Hey man, it’s my personal theory regarding what I have learned thus far."

FUK A THEORY, IT'S ALL ABOUT ACCURATE KNOWLEDgE(PHP. 1:9)

THEN YOU STRESSED, "You don’t see me writing my own version of the scripture, twisting it around to best suite my personal ideals.
Knowingly preaching false shit is faulty…."

YOU DON'T SEE ME DOIN' THAT EITHA. BUT YOUR PERCEPTION IS JUST THAT, YOUR PERCEPTION. THE THANg IS, WHAT IS IT BASED ON?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Well you’re contradicting the Word of Christ."

NO I'M NOT. HOW'S THAT? HE DIDN'T PREACH OF TORMENTIN' FOO'S. HE PREACHED OF LOVE AND AN LACIN' HEADS WITH THE (gOD)'S WORD.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "LOL! I said they made good points but go back and read that stuff in case you didn’t.
The argument can easily be made that none of that was proof that Jesus and the Father are the same. All of that just underlined what I’ve been saying, go ahead and peep it out yourself. It basically pointed out to the father and son relationship that Jesus and the Father share."

I KNOW WHAT THE SCRIPTURE DENOTES. I WAS TALKIN' BOUT YOU TALKIN' BOUT, "THERE gOES YOUR TRINITY" LIKE THAT ONE PASSAgE DONE STATED THE TRINITY AND I'M SUPPOSE TO BECOME A BELIEVER OF SUCH.

 

[EDJ]

SJN14,

YOU STRESSED, "Yes EDJ please check the link it has lots of good info."

I DID. IT HAS A LOT OF MISPERCEPTIONS. IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS ALL THOSE POINTS HERE, BE MY gUEST.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "If he is all powerfull he can seperate himself into 3 and still be one."

WHY WOULD HE HAVE TO DO THAT? WHAT PURPOSE DOES IT SERVE?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Secondly about Jesus praying as the others were Sleeping if they were or not it doesn't matter because we have to remember that Jesus has to sides to himself. He is a man and he is a God."

HE WAS A MAN, AND HE MIgHT BE A gOD BUT NOT THE ALMIgHTY gOD.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Jesus the man could have prayed to the father whom is God."

HE DID. BUT "IF" JESUS IS (gOD), THEN IT WOULD BE RETARDED FOR HIM TO PRAY TO HIMSELF.

THEN YOU STRESSED, " Like those Verses you claim that you can find but EDJ and My self cannot. Are those exclusive to the Kings James Version?"

THEY'RE NOT FOUND IN THE KINg JAMES VERSION AND I LOOKED THEM UP 3 TIMES, IN THREE DIFFERENT BIBLE SITES, INCLUDIN' THE ONE MIggIDY REFERRED ME TO.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "EDJ did you know hebrew Word Elohim is not "God." Elohim is plural. This is further proof of a trinity. God is one god, but he is 3 different entities. It's in the bible and some things can be lost in the translation but Elohim is plural."

I KNOW THIS MAN. ELOHIM IS PLURAL FOR THE WORD "gOD" ELOH'AH. BUT THAT DOESN'T PROVE A SUPPOSED TRINITY. THE HEBREW WORD 'ELO*HIM' APPEARS TO BE FROM A ROOT MEANIN' "BE STRONg". SOMETIMES THE PLURAL REFERS TO A NUMBER OF gODS(gE. 31:30, 32; 35:32). BUT IT IS MORE OFTEN USED AS A PLURAL OF MAJESTY, DIgNITY, OR EXCELLENCE. 'ELO*HIM' IS USED IN THE SCRIPTURES WITH REFERENCE TO (gOD) HIMSELF, TO ANgELS, TO IDOL gODS(BOTH SINgULAR AND PLURAL), AND TO MAN.
AND WHEN REFERENCED TO THE ALMIgHTY gOD YHWH, 'ELO*HIM' IS USED AS A PLURAL OF MAJESTY, DIgNITY, OR EXCELLENCE. CHEK OUT WHAT AARON EMBER WROTE IN "THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF SEMITIC LANgUAgES AND LITERATURES", VOL. XXI. 1905, Pg. 208. HE STRESSED, "THAT THE LANgUAgE OF THE O[LD] T[ESTAMENT] HAS ENTIRELY gIVEN UP THE IDEA OF PLURALITY IN....['ELO*HIM'](AS APPLIED TO THE gOD OF ISREAL) IS ESPECIALLY SHOWN BY THE FACT THAT IT IS INVARIABLY CONSTRUED WITH A SINgULAR VERBAL PREDICATE AND TAKES A SINgULAR ADJECTIVAL ATTRIBUTE...['ELO-HIM]' MUST RATHER BE EXPLAINED AS AN INTENSIVE PLURAL, DENOTIN' gREATNESS AND MAJESTY, BEIN' EQUAL TO THE gREAT gOD".

THEN YOU STRESSED, " Well I'm not joining the which is the faker religion because I believe all it leads to is shit talking. As it already has. But that bible text does prove something. If you don't believe that read the link I posted to Miggidy it has lots of examples in which Jesus did things that Only God could have done with no reprecussions."

PROVE YOUR POINTS. BUT THERE AIN'T THAT MUCH SHIT-TALKIN' AS FAR AS I CAN SEE. IF YOU NAME WHICH RELIgION IS THE FAKEST, PIK IT'S FLAWS AND BUT BAK WHAT YOU SAY WITH-OUT TALKIN' SHIT. AND I CHECCED THAT SITE AND IT HAS A LOT OF MISPERCEPTIONS WHICH CAN EASILY BE BROKEN APART AND CORRECTED.

THEN YOU STRESSED, " That's not the only text of the bible there are more."

I KNOW. AND THEY'RE ALL INTERPRETTED OUT OF CONTEXT AND CONTRADICT OTHA SCRIPTURES IF INTERPRETTED THAT WAY.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Just because the word trinity does not appear in the bible does not mean that it doesn't exist."

ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT? WHY WOULD SOMETHIN' SUPPOSEDLY SO HOLY, NOT HAVE A NAME IN THE SCRIPTURES? (gOD)'S PERSONAL NAME IS IN THERE(THE TETRAgRAMMATON) EVEN THOUgH TRANSLATORS HAVE OMITTED IT. JESUS NAME IS IN THERE. ALL THE PROPHETS, DISCIPLES, KINgS, AND SERVANTS NAME IS IN THERE. BUT THIS THANg THAT IS SO HOLY DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A NAME IN THE SCRIPTURES. HMMM.......

THEN YOU STRESSED, "We all know that There is a Jesus a God and a Holy Spirit. They appear in the bible."

YES, BUT IT IS NOT CLEARLY STATED THAT THEY'RE THE SAME ENTITY OR LABELED AS "THE HOLY TRINITY".

THEN YOU STRESSED, " There are 2 verses where God the Father speaks of himself in the a plural form.
Gen. 1:26 says, "Let us create man in our own image."
Isa. 6:8 says, "Also, I heard the voice of the Lord saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" "

COULD IT BE THAT (gOD) WAS TALKIN' TO JESUS BEFORE HIS PRE-HUMAN EXISTENCE, SINCE HE WAS THE FIRST OF ALL CREATION?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Now if God was a single entity why would he speak of himself in the 3rd person?"

CAUSE HE WAS SPEAKIN' TO SOMEONE ELSE. WHY WOULD CUZZ TALK TO HIMSELF?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Matt 12:31,32 doesn't disprove the Trinity. It doesn't make Jesus seem less of an equal to the Holy Spirit."

BUT IF THE HOLY SPIRIT WERE A PERSON AND WERE (gOD), THIS TEXT WOULD FLATLY CONTRADICT THE TRINITY DOCTRINE, BECAUSE IT WOULD MEAN IN SOME WAY, THE HOLY SPIRIT IS gREATER THAN THE SON. INSTEAD, WHAT JESUS SAID SHOWS THATTHE FATHER, TO WHOM THE "SPIRIT" BELONgED, IS gREATER THAN JESUS, THE SON OF MAN.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "John 14:28- Jesus said that because at the time Jesus was a Man and a Man cannot be greater than a God, especially not greater than THE God. Jesus unlike the father and the holy spirit has two natures. He is God and a Man. Thus as a man he is not greater than the Father. He was a man for a purpose as we remember; to die for our sins."

HOLD UP. DON'T TRY TO TWIST IT NOW. THE TRINITY STATES THAT ALL ARE EQUAL. WHETHA IN WHATEVA STATE, ALL THREE ARE EQUAL REgARDLESS. NOW YOU TRYIN' TO SAY THAT JESUS IS NOT AS gREAT AS (gOD) CAUSE HE IS A MAN? YOU NEED TO MAKE UP YOUR MIND. CAUSE OTHA TRINITARIANS WOULD DISAgREE WITH YOU.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "1 Cor. 11:3- Once again they talk about Jesus the Man not Jesus the God."

AND ONCE AgAIN, (gOD) NEVA SAID HIS NAME WAS JESUS FOR ONE. AND TWO, JESUS DIDN'T SPEAK OF HIMSELF AS A MAN, BUT IN gENERAL.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "1 Cor. 15:27-28
Well 1 Cor.15:28 reads:
28)And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then the Son also himself shall be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
It says, "the Son (Jesus the Man) also himself (also God) shall be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." Now at first it seems like the Father will Rule over all even Jesus the Son, but this is not true."

COME ON MAN. YOU TRYIN' TO MAKE YOUR OWN UNDA-STANDIN' TO AVOID THE TRUTH. YOU SAY WHAT IT SAYS IT'S NOT TRUE, BUT YOU HAVE IT RIgHT THERE IN YOUR FACE. NOW YOU TRYIN' TO SAY THAT SCRIPTURE AIN'T TRUE. EVERYTHANg, INCLUDIN' JESUS(WHO (gOD) HAS SUBJECTED EVERYTHANg TO<THIS DENOTES JESUS TO NOT BE HUMAN NO MORE CAUSE EVERYTHANg IS IN SUBJECTION TO HIM,EXCLUDIN' (gOD)>) WILL BE SUBJECTED UNDER (gOD).

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Also himself refers to Jesus the God, not the Man. So the Man is less then the God but Jesus the God and God the Father and the Holy Spirit will be all."

QUIT CONFUSIN' YOURSELF. YOU TRYIN' TO CLINg ON DEARLY TO YOUR BELIEFS.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "What about 1 Timothy 3:16 where Paul Said Jesus was God manifested in the flesh.
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the nations, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

THAT TEXT WAS TALKIN' ABOUT JESUS COMIN' AND gOIN'. THE WORD "gOD" IS NOT EVEN THERE. AND IF YOUR TRANSLATION HAS IT THERE, THEN YOU NEED TO LOOK INTO THE gREEK LANgUAgE TO SEE HOW EACH WORD THERE SHOULD BE RENDERED.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "John 20:28 when Thomas called Jesus God.
"And Thomas answered, and said unto him, My Lord and my God."
Now why would he call Jesus his Lord and God if he was not God?"

OH MY gOD, SJN14 THINK HE HAS A POINT. THAT PASSAgE CAN BE INTERPRETTED THAT WAY JUST LIKE YOU CAN INTERPRET THAT I CALLED YOU (gOD), WHEN IN FACT IT'S A FORM OF EXPRESSION.

 

[EDJ]

CONTINUATION:

SJN14,

YOU STRESSED, "Then we have Colosians 2:8,9:

8 Beware lest any man cheat you by philosophy and vain deceit: according to the tradition of men according to the elements of the world and not according to Christ.

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally"

WHAT TRANSLATION IS THAT? CAUSE THE KJV, NE, RS, JB, NAB, AND DY RENDERINgS OF THE BIBLE RENDER IT LIKE THAT WITH THE WORD "gODHEAD". BUT OTHA BIBLES RENDER IN VERSE 9 "(gOD)'S NATURE" INSTEAD OF "gODHEAD". COMPARE 2 PETER 1:4
THERE'S DISAgREEMENT IN INTERPRETATION BUT WHAT IS IN AgREEMENT WITH THE REST OF THE INSPIRED LETTER TO THE COLOSSIANS? DID CHRIST HAVE IN HIMSELF SOMETHIN' THAT IS HIS BECAUSE HE IS (gOD), PART OF A TRINITY? OR IS THE "FULLNESS" THAT DWELLS IN HIM SOMETHIN' THAT BECAME HIS BECAUSE OF THE DECISION OF SOMEONE ELSE? COLOSSIANS 1:19 SAYS THAT ALL FULLNESS DWELT IN CHRIST BECAUSE IT "PLEASED THE FATHER" FOR THIS TO BE THE CASE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Then in Titus 2:13-14 Paul said Jesus was God

13 Looking for the blessed hope and coming of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity and might cleanse to himself a people acceptable, a pursuer of good works."

WHICH TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE IS THAT? CAUSE THE RS TRANSLATION READS IT LIKE THAT, AS WELL AS NE, TEV, AND JB. BUT OTHAS LIKE NAB AND NW RENDER IT: "WHILE WE WAIT FOR THE HAPPY HOPE AND gLORIOUS MANIFESTATION OF THE gREAT (gOD) AND OF THE SAVIOR OF US, CHRIST JESUS".
BUT WHICH TRANSLATION AgREES WITH TITUS 1:4, WHICH REFERS TO "(gOD) THE FATHER AND CHRIST JESUS OUR SAVIOR"?
THIS TEXT CLEARLY DIFFERENTIATES BETWEEN (gOD) AND JESUS, THE ONE WHOM (gOD) PROVIDES SALVATION. BUT EVEN THE BIBLES THAT TRANSLATE TITUS 2:13 LIKE YOU HAVE POSTED, CONSTRUE TO ALLOW THAT VIEW DON'T DO IT IN 2 THESSALONIANS 1:12.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I provided more text for you. It's not just one it's alot."

WHAT A SHAME. BUT IF YOU INTO TRUTH, YOU WON'T LET A FEW MISTRANLATED TEXTS DEVIATE YOU. YOU HAVE TO CROSS-REFERENCE EVERYTHANg.

 

[m.w.merlino]

^^^^detective EDJ is layin it down, i think its funny how ur breakin the statements of these doods who are religious but dont seem to know what theyre talkin about, keep up the good work.

 

[EDJ]

^THANKS LOAK. YOU ALRIgHT WITH ME.

 

[MEXCOM]

SJN14,

YOU STRESSED, "Yes EDJ please check the link it has lots of good info."

I DID. IT HAS A LOT OF MISPERCEPTIONS. IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS ALL THOSE POINTS HERE, BE MY gUEST.

Why would I adress any of them? I provided the evidence it is up to you to discredit it.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Secondly about Jesus praying as the others were Sleeping if they were or not it doesn't matter because we have to remember that Jesus has to sides to himself. He is a man and he is a God."

HE WAS A MAN, AND HE MIgHT BE A gOD BUT NOT THE ALMIgHTY gOD.

He cannot be a God. He must be THE God. The bible tells us lots of times that there is only ONE God.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Jesus the man could have prayed to the father whom is God."

HE DID. BUT "IF" JESUS IS (gOD), THEN IT WOULD BE RETARDED FOR HIM TO PRAY TO HIMSELF.

Why would it be retarded? Remember that Jesus is a Man and a God, not just a man. Just like you stated that you aren't 50% Black and 50% Mexican but 100% both. Well so is Jesus.

THEN YOU STRESSED, " Like those Verses you claim that you can find but EDJ and My self cannot. Are those exclusive to the Kings James Version?"

THEY'RE NOT FOUND IN THE KINg JAMES VERSION AND I LOOKED THEM UP 3 TIMES, IN THREE DIFFERENT BIBLE SITES, INCLUDIN' THE ONE MIggIDY REFERRED ME TO.

Yeah those verses don't exist.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "EDJ did you know hebrew Word Elohim is not "God." Elohim is plural. This is further proof of a trinity. God is one god, but he is 3 different entities. It's in the bible and some things can be lost in the translation but Elohim is plural."

I KNOW THIS MAN. ELOHIM IS PLURAL FOR THE WORD "gOD" ELOH'AH. BUT THAT DOESN'T PROVE A SUPPOSED TRINITY. THE HEBREW WORD 'ELO*HIM' APPEARS TO BE FROM A ROOT MEANIN' "BE STRONg". SOMETIMES THE PLURAL REFERS TO A NUMBER OF gODS(gE. 31:30, 32; 35:32). BUT IT IS MORE OFTEN USED AS A PLURAL OF MAJESTY, DIgNITY, OR EXCELLENCE. 'ELO*HIM' IS USED IN THE SCRIPTURES WITH REFERENCE TO (gOD) HIMSELF, TO ANgELS, TO IDOL gODS(BOTH SINgULAR AND PLURAL), AND TO MAN.
AND WHEN REFERENCED TO THE ALMIgHTY gOD YHWH, 'ELO*HIM' IS USED AS A PLURAL OF MAJESTY, DIgNITY, OR EXCELLENCE. CHEK OUT WHAT AARON EMBER WROTE IN "THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF SEMITIC LANgUAgES AND LITERATURES", VOL. XXI. 1905, Pg. 208. HE STRESSED, "THAT THE LANgUAgE OF THE O[LD] T[ESTAMENT] HAS ENTIRELY gIVEN UP THE IDEA OF PLURALITY IN....['ELO*HIM'](AS APPLIED TO THE gOD OF ISREAL) IS ESPECIALLY SHOWN BY THE FACT THAT IT IS INVARIABLY CONSTRUED WITH A SINgULAR VERBAL PREDICATE AND TAKES A SINgULAR ADJECTIVAL ATTRIBUTE...['ELO-HIM]' MUST RATHER BE EXPLAINED AS AN INTENSIVE PLURAL, DENOTIN' gREATNESS AND MAJESTY, BEIN' EQUAL TO THE gREAT gOD".

Doubt I'll ever get my hands on that but I'll keep it in mind.

THEN YOU STRESSED, " Well I'm not joining the which is the faker religion because I believe all it leads to is shit talking. As it already has. But that bible text does prove something. If you don't believe that read the link I posted to Miggidy it has lots of examples in which Jesus did things that Only God could have done with no reprecussions."

PROVE YOUR POINTS. BUT THERE AIN'T THAT MUCH SHIT-TALKIN' AS FAR AS I CAN SEE. IF YOU NAME WHICH RELIgION IS THE FAKEST, PIK IT'S FLAWS AND BUT BAK WHAT YOU SAY WITH-OUT TALKIN' SHIT. AND I CHECCED THAT SITE AND IT HAS A LOT OF MISPERCEPTIONS WHICH CAN EASILY BE BROKEN APART AND CORRECTED.

The link proves my points. When I submit evidence it is up to you to disprove it.

THEN YOU STRESSED, " That's not the only text of the bible there are more."

I KNOW. AND THEY'RE ALL INTERPRETTED OUT OF CONTEXT AND CONTRADICT OTHA SCRIPTURES IF INTERPRETTED THAT WAY.

provide a few examples of how they are read and how they should be read, I'd like to see what way is the right way they should be interpreted.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Just because the word trinity does not appear in the bible does not mean that it doesn't exist."

ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT? WHY WOULD SOMETHIN' SUPPOSEDLY SO HOLY, NOT HAVE A NAME IN THE SCRIPTURES? (gOD)'S PERSONAL NAME IS IN THERE(THE TETRAgRAMMATON) EVEN THOUgH TRANSLATORS HAVE OMITTED IT. JESUS NAME IS IN THERE. ALL THE PROPHETS, DISCIPLES, KINgS, AND SERVANTS NAME IS IN THERE. BUT THIS THANg THAT IS SO HOLY DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A NAME IN THE SCRIPTURES. HMMM.......

Maybe the Trinity does not have a proper name. But if you don't believe in the Trinity then please explain to me the nature of God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "We all know that There is a Jesus a God and a Holy Spirit. They appear in the bible."

YES, BUT IT IS NOT CLEARLY STATED THAT THEY'RE THE SAME ENTITY OR LABELED AS "THE HOLY TRINITY".

SJN14,

YOU STRESSED, "Yes EDJ please check the link it has lots of good info."

I DID. IT HAS A LOT OF MISPERCEPTIONS. IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS ALL THOSE POINTS HERE, BE MY gUEST.

Why would I adress any of them? I provided the evidence it is up to you to discredit it.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Secondly about Jesus praying as the others were Sleeping if they were or not it doesn't matter because we have to remember that Jesus has to sides to himself. He is a man and he is a God."

HE WAS A MAN, AND HE MIgHT BE A gOD BUT NOT THE ALMIgHTY gOD.

He cannot be a God. He must be THE God. The bible tells us lots of times that there is only ONE God.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Jesus the man could have prayed to the father whom is God."

HE DID. BUT "IF" JESUS IS (gOD), THEN IT WOULD BE RETARDED FOR HIM TO PRAY TO HIMSELF.

Why would it be retarded? Remember that Jesus is a Man and a God, not just a man. Just like you stated that you aren't 50% Black and 50% Mexican but 100% both. Well so is Jesus.

THEN YOU STRESSED, " Like those Verses you claim that you can find but EDJ and My self cannot. Are those exclusive to the Kings James Version?"

THEY'RE NOT FOUND IN THE KINg JAMES VERSION AND I LOOKED THEM UP 3 TIMES, IN THREE DIFFERENT BIBLE SITES, INCLUDIN' THE ONE MIggIDY REFERRED ME TO.

Yeah those verses don't exist.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "EDJ did you know hebrew Word Elohim is not "God." Elohim is plural. This is further proof of a trinity. God is one god, but he is 3 different entities. It's in the bible and some things can be lost in the translation but Elohim is plural."

I KNOW THIS MAN. ELOHIM IS PLURAL FOR THE WORD "gOD" ELOH'AH. BUT THAT DOESN'T PROVE A SUPPOSED TRINITY. THE HEBREW WORD 'ELO*HIM' APPEARS TO BE FROM A ROOT MEANIN' "BE STRONg". SOMETIMES THE PLURAL REFERS TO A NUMBER OF gODS(gE. 31:30, 32; 35:32). BUT IT IS MORE OFTEN USED AS A PLURAL OF MAJESTY, DIgNITY, OR EXCELLENCE. 'ELO*HIM' IS USED IN THE SCRIPTURES WITH REFERENCE TO (gOD) HIMSELF, TO ANgELS, TO IDOL gODS(BOTH SINgULAR AND PLURAL), AND TO MAN.
AND WHEN REFERENCED TO THE ALMIgHTY gOD YHWH, 'ELO*HIM' IS USED AS A PLURAL OF MAJESTY, DIgNITY, OR EXCELLENCE. CHEK OUT WHAT AARON EMBER WROTE IN "THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF SEMITIC LANgUAgES AND LITERATURES", VOL. XXI. 1905, Pg. 208. HE STRESSED, "THAT THE LANgUAgE OF THE O[LD] T[ESTAMENT] HAS ENTIRELY gIVEN UP THE IDEA OF PLURALITY IN....['ELO*HIM'](AS APPLIED TO THE gOD OF ISREAL) IS ESPECIALLY SHOWN BY THE FACT THAT IT IS INVARIABLY CONSTRUED WITH A SINgULAR VERBAL PREDICATE AND TAKES A SINgULAR ADJECTIVAL ATTRIBUTE...['ELO-HIM]' MUST RATHER BE EXPLAINED AS AN INTENSIVE PLURAL, DENOTIN' gREATNESS AND MAJESTY, BEIN' EQUAL TO THE gREAT gOD".

Doubt I'll ever get my hands on that but I'll keep it in mind. But what I do know is that that word and many others are Hebrew nouns that can be plural yet singular in meaning. In Hebrew "IM" signifies a masculine ending of a word. Also when ever the Jewish "Elohim/El" is used the plural form is used around 2500 times of the 2750 times the word is used. We also can look at the word Echad. Which means one. But not as in he is one man, but more in a sense of combination. Such as when Man and Woman marry and become one (echad) flesh. When The Father and Jesus are said to be One they are said to be Echad (one). God NEVER refers to himself as Yachid, the singular form of One. He always talks about the plural one or Echad, such as One dozen eggs, One bunch of grapes. Never does he say I am One (Yachid). No, he says I am One (echad.)

THEN YOU STRESSED, " Well I'm not joining the which is the faker religion because I believe all it leads to is shit talking. As it already has. But that bible text does prove something. If you don't believe that read the link I posted to Miggidy it has lots of examples in which Jesus did things that Only God could have done with no reprecussions."

PROVE YOUR POINTS. BUT THERE AIN'T THAT MUCH SHIT-TALKIN' AS FAR AS I CAN SEE. IF YOU NAME WHICH RELIgION IS THE FAKEST, PIK IT'S FLAWS AND BUT BAK WHAT YOU SAY WITH-OUT TALKIN' SHIT. AND I CHECCED THAT SITE AND IT HAS A LOT OF MISPERCEPTIONS WHICH CAN EASILY BE BROKEN APART AND CORRECTED.

The link proves my points. When I submit evidence it is up to you to disprove it.

 

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THEN YOU STRESSED, " That's not the only text of the bible there are more."

I KNOW. AND THEY'RE ALL INTERPRETTED OUT OF CONTEXT AND CONTRADICT OTHA SCRIPTURES IF INTERPRETTED THAT WAY.

provide a few examples of how they are read and how they should be read, I'd like to see what way is the right way they should be interpreted.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Just because the word trinity does not appear in the bible does not mean that it doesn't exist."

ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT? WHY WOULD SOMETHIN' SUPPOSEDLY SO HOLY, NOT HAVE A NAME IN THE SCRIPTURES? (gOD)'S PERSONAL NAME IS IN THERE(THE TETRAgRAMMATON) EVEN THOUgH TRANSLATORS HAVE OMITTED IT. JESUS NAME IS IN THERE. ALL THE PROPHETS, DISCIPLES, KINgS, AND SERVANTS NAME IS IN THERE. BUT THIS THANg THAT IS SO HOLY DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A NAME IN THE SCRIPTURES. HMMM.......

Maybe the Trinity does not have a proper name. The bible never says Old testament, New testament either but you believe in those. But if you don't believe in the Trinity then please explain to me the nature of God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost.

THEN YOU STRESSED, " Well I'm not joining the which is the faker religion because I believe all it leads to is shit talking. As it already has. But that bible text does prove something. If you don't believe that read the link I posted to Miggidy it has lots of examples in which Jesus did things that Only God could have done with no reprecussions."

PROVE YOUR POINTS. BUT THERE AIN'T THAT MUCH SHIT-TALKIN' AS FAR AS I CAN SEE. IF YOU NAME WHICH RELIgION IS THE FAKEST, PIK IT'S FLAWS AND BUT BAK WHAT YOU SAY WITH-OUT TALKIN' SHIT. AND I CHECCED THAT SITE AND IT HAS A LOT OF MISPERCEPTIONS WHICH CAN EASILY BE BROKEN APART AND CORRECTED.

Please do so. As I believe them to be true I cannot see fault in them, but maybe you can shed light unto them.

THEN YOU STRESSED, " That's not the only text of the bible there are more."

I KNOW. AND THEY'RE ALL INTERPRETTED OUT OF CONTEXT AND CONTRADICT OTHA SCRIPTURES IF INTERPRETTED THAT WAY.

So what is the correct way in which they should be interpreted in?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "We all know that There is a Jesus a God and a Holy Spirit. They appear in the bible."

YES, BUT IT IS NOT CLEARLY STATED THAT THEY'RE THE SAME ENTITY OR LABELED AS "THE HOLY TRINITY".

Then explain to me how this is misinterpreted?
1 John 5:7--"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
Once again the One here is not Yachid but Echad.

THEN YOU STRESSED, " There are 2 verses where God the Father speaks of himself in the a plural form.
Gen. 1:26 says, "Let us create man in our own image."
Isa. 6:8 says, "Also, I heard the voice of the Lord saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" "

COULD IT BE THAT (gOD) WAS TALKIN' TO JESUS BEFORE HIS PRE-HUMAN EXISTENCE, SINCE HE WAS THE FIRST OF ALL CREATION?

Yes I believe God was talking to Jesus, but also the Holy Spirit. Since Jesus is not and Angel and is not a Man because he has always been then what is he if not God? Also Jesus could not be created if he has always been.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Now if God was a single entity why would he speak of himself in the 3rd person?"

CAUSE HE WAS SPEAKIN' TO SOMEONE ELSE. WHY WOULD CUZZ TALK TO HIMSELF?

But he was speaking to Jesus, who although is a different part of God still is God. Remember that Jesus has always been, thus he cannot be a creation. And since he cannot be a creation he must be the creator.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Matt 12:31,32 doesn't disprove the Trinity. It doesn't make Jesus seem less of an equal to the Holy Spirit."

BUT IF THE HOLY SPIRIT WERE A PERSON AND WERE (gOD), THIS TEXT WOULD FLATLY CONTRADICT THE TRINITY DOCTRINE, BECAUSE IT WOULD MEAN IN SOME WAY, THE HOLY SPIRIT IS gREATER THAN THE SON. INSTEAD, WHAT JESUS SAID SHOWS THATTHE FATHER, TO WHOM THE "SPIRIT" BELONgED, IS gREATER THAN JESUS, THE SON OF MAN.

The text says this:
31 Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven.

32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him neither in this world, nor in the world to come.

It says that blasphemy shall be forgiven, blasphemy to The father and Son, but not to the Spirit. He does not say that one is greater than the other. The he says:

33 Either make the tree good and its fruit good: or make the tree evil, and its fruit evil. For by the fruit the tree is known.

Right here he is using a metaphor. God and Jesus are the tree and the Spirit is the Fruit. You can curse the tree but you cannot curse what grows out of the tree. So if you Curse God the father and God the son you will be forgiven, but if you curse their message of love and their Spirit you will not.

 

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THEN YOU STRESSED, "John 14:28- Jesus said that because at the time Jesus was a Man and a Man cannot be greater than a God, especially not greater than THE God. Jesus unlike the father and the holy spirit has two natures. He is God and a Man. Thus as a man he is not greater than the Father. He was a man for a purpose as we remember; to die for our sins."

HOLD UP. DON'T TRY TO TWIST IT NOW. THE TRINITY STATES THAT ALL ARE EQUAL. WHETHA IN WHATEVA STATE, ALL THREE ARE EQUAL REgARDLESS. NOW YOU TRYIN' TO SAY THAT JESUS IS NOT AS gREAT AS (gOD) CAUSE HE IS A MAN? YOU NEED TO MAKE UP YOUR MIND. CAUSE OTHA TRINITARIANS WOULD DISAgREE WITH YOU.

No it doesn't. Jesus was not equal to God (The father and Holy Ghost) when he was on earth. Jesus could die, he could grow tired, etc. He was Human. If God is omnipotent is it really that hard to believe that he could exist as three and make one of his "parts" human?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "1 Cor. 11:3- Once again they talk about Jesus the Man not Jesus the God."

AND ONCE AgAIN, (gOD) NEVA SAID HIS NAME WAS JESUS FOR ONE. AND TWO, JESUS DIDN'T SPEAK OF HIMSELF AS A MAN, BUT IN gENERAL.

No he spoke of himself as a man. He is God and a Man. God is above all.
But if you don't agree then look at Hebrews 1:8 He calls Jesus God. Why would God call Jesus God if Jesus was Not God? He could not be a God, because there is only one God and he could not be the God of Men without being The God.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "1 Cor. 15:27-28
Well 1 Cor.15:28 reads:
28)And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then the Son also himself shall be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
It says, "the Son (Jesus the Man) also himself (also God) shall be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." Now at first it seems like the Father will Rule over all even Jesus the Son, but this is not true."

COME ON MAN. YOU TRYIN' TO MAKE YOUR OWN UNDA-STANDIN' TO AVOID THE TRUTH. YOU SAY WHAT IT SAYS IT'S NOT TRUE, BUT YOU HAVE IT RIgHT THERE IN YOUR FACE. NOW YOU TRYIN' TO SAY THAT SCRIPTURE AIN'T TRUE. EVERYTHANg, INCLUDIN' JESUS(WHO (gOD) HAS SUBJECTED EVERYTHANg TO<THIS DENOTES JESUS TO NOT BE HUMAN NO MORE CAUSE EVERYTHANg IS IN SUBJECTION TO HIM,EXCLUDIN' (gOD)> ) WILL BE SUBJECTED UNDER (gOD).

I'm not saying anything. You are putting words in my mouth. Please quote me on where I said that " SAY WHAT IT SAYS IT'S NOT TRUE." Please Quote the part where I was saying/trying to say "THAT [the] SCRIPTURE AIN'T TRUE." All I said was that it seems to say one thing but it very well says something else. Something you do quite commonly, especially when you tell me things can be explained/derived/said differently than what most people think. Well I am doing the same thing you are. I don't think this means what people think, if read another way ( the way I believe is correct) it says that Jesus The man and not Jesus the God will be subject to the creator whom is Jesus the God, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Also himself refers to Jesus the God, not the Man. So the Man is less then the God but Jesus the God and God the Father and the Holy Spirit will be all."

QUIT CONFUSIN' YOURSELF. YOU TRYIN' TO CLINg ON DEARLY TO YOUR BELIEFS.

As are you. You have yet to show me proof that once and for all exterminates the notion of the Trinity.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "What about 1 Timothy 3:16 where Paul Said Jesus was God manifested in the flesh.
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the nations, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

THAT TEXT WAS TALKIN' ABOUT JESUS COMIN' AND gOIN'. THE WORD "gOD" IS NOT EVEN THERE. AND IF YOUR TRANSLATION HAS IT THERE, THEN YOU NEED TO LOOK INTO THE gREEK LANgUAgE TO SEE HOW EACH WORD THERE SHOULD BE RENDERED.

Well I looked it up and it said that the majority of Greek Copies have "God was manifested." The link from which I got it from was
http://www.wayoflife.org/articles/truefalse/truefalse03.htm
The same link also reads:
While it is of interest to record the opinions of scholars during the last century, it is infinitely more important that we should know what was written by the Apostle in the first, and the evidence is overwhelmingly in favour of the inclusion of the Name of God in this text
But could you please redirect me to a site that says it the way you say it is said in Greek?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "John 20:28 when Thomas called Jesus God.
"And Thomas answered, and said unto him, My Lord and my God."
Now why would he call Jesus his Lord and God if he was not God?"

OH MY gOD, SJN14 THINK HE HAS A POINT. THAT PASSAgE CAN BE INTERPRETTED THAT WAY JUST LIKE YOU CAN INTERPRET THAT I CALLED YOU (gOD), WHEN IN FACT IT'S A FORM OF EXPRESSION.

I would appreciate it if you did not belittle me. I have not done it to you and would like to treat this as an actual civilized and friendly arguement. Back on track...you said that the passage can be interpretted that way just like I can interpret you calling me God, when in fact you used it as a form of expression. But there are is a problem here.
1)if you called me God, even if it was an expression then it would be blashpemous because I am not God and am not worthy of worship and because you valled me God it would be using God's name/title in Vain. So are you saying that Thomas called Jesus God and Jesus would not correct him? Like Jesus told him right after words that he saw and believe but blessed are those that believe and have not seen. Believe that he is God. But I'd like to read your interpretation.

 

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SJN14,

YOU STRESSED, "Then we have Colosians 2:8,9:

8 Beware lest any man cheat you by philosophy and vain deceit: according to the tradition of men according to the elements of the world and not according to Christ.

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally"

WHAT TRANSLATION IS THAT? CAUSE THE KJV, NE, RS, JB, NAB, AND DY RENDERINgS OF THE BIBLE RENDER IT LIKE THAT WITH THE WORD "gODHEAD". BUT OTHA BIBLES RENDER IN VERSE 9 "(gOD)'S NATURE" INSTEAD OF "gODHEAD". COMPARE 2 PETER 1:4
THERE'S DISAgREEMENT IN INTERPRETATION BUT WHAT IS IN AgREEMENT WITH THE REST OF THE INSPIRED LETTER TO THE COLOSSIANS? DID CHRIST HAVE IN HIMSELF SOMETHIN' THAT IS HIS BECAUSE HE IS (gOD), PART OF A TRINITY? OR IS THE "FULLNESS" THAT DWELLS IN HIM SOMETHIN' THAT BECAME HIS BECAUSE OF THE DECISION OF SOMEONE ELSE? COLOSSIANS 1:19 SAYS THAT ALL FULLNESS DWELT IN CHRIST BECAUSE IT "PLEASED THE FATHER" FOR THIS TO BE THE CASE.

That translation comes from the Douay-Rheims Bible. Christ has always had the "fullness" because he has always been God. Although he is a man he still is a God and in him lives the "fulness" of Godhead/ God nature. If God made him into a God then what would go against the teachings. If the letter was lying then the Bible cannot be fully trusted because we have a lie/contradiction to something else. So the only way the bible can be accurate, God can be the only god, is if Jesus was God.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Then in Titus 2:13-14 Paul said Jesus was God

13 Looking for the blessed hope and coming of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity and might cleanse to himself a people acceptable, a pursuer of good works."

WHICH TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE IS THAT? CAUSE THE RS TRANSLATION READS IT LIKE THAT, AS WELL AS NE, TEV, AND JB. BUT OTHAS LIKE NAB AND NW RENDER IT: "WHILE WE WAIT FOR THE HAPPY HOPE AND gLORIOUS MANIFESTATION OF THE gREAT (gOD) AND OF THE SAVIOR OF US, CHRIST JESUS".
BUT WHICH TRANSLATION AgREES WITH TITUS 1:4, WHICH REFERS TO "(gOD) THE FATHER AND CHRIST JESUS OUR SAVIOR"?
THIS TEXT CLEARLY DIFFERENTIATES BETWEEN (gOD) AND JESUS, THE ONE WHOM (gOD) PROVIDES SALVATION. BUT EVEN THE BIBLES THAT TRANSLATE TITUS 2:13 LIKE YOU HAVE POSTED, CONSTRUE TO ALLOW THAT VIEW DON'T DO IT IN 2 THESSALONIANS 1:12.

Same one, the DR version. Well the way I read it was "God and savior Jesus Christ." Unless you have the original text then we can argue back and forth on it's original meaning. But regardless of them being seperated it does not matter, because they are both two pieces of a whole.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I provided more text for you. It's not just one it's alot."

WHAT A SHAME. BUT IF YOU INTO TRUTH, YOU WON'T LET A FEW MISTRANLATED TEXTS DEVIATE YOU. YOU HAVE TO CROSS-REFERENCE EVERYTHANg.

I cross-referenced everything you gave me and still hold on to the truth of the trinity. I know you might think that I am blind and have not seen the true meaning of the word of God, but I can very well say the same thing. Like I said earlier many of these arguements are fruitless because we will never change anothers opinions, the best we can do is teach and learn.

 

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^^^^detective EDJ is layin it down, i think its funny how ur breakin the statements of these doods who are religious but dont seem to know what theyre talkin about, keep up the good work.

Are you religious? Because EDJ is not questioning Christianity, he is only questioning the Trinity. Secondly I don't think I don't know what I was talking about, if I didn't then I would probably resort to shit talking and calling EDJ names, but I am not. I am looking at every point he throws at me and spending an average of 2 hours on each of his responces because if he took the time to say something, at the very least I will try to respond no matter how shitty my responce my or may not be.

 

[miggidy]

Re: Re: THE FAKEST RELIgION

christianity.....i've been learning about it in philosophy and it's a bullshit religion....the fact that one mission of the religion is to reach as many people as possible annoys me....
it's like they want everyone else to believe the same shit as them becuase everyone else is wrong and i think that's a load of crap.

If you found the fountain of youth, wouldn't you wanna share it with everyone?
That's basically what Christians are doing (and every other religion as well).... Yet you choose to single out Christianity, now that says a lot of where you are coming from....

i don't believe in any god, so most religions are rediculous to me, but christianity is by far the stupidest one.....all that water spreading apart and mt sanai shit is just corny.....

That spreading of water thing is part of Judaism and Islam, yet you only tag it to Christianity.

the principles of the religion aren't very good either......

How is that?

you've got all these fucks that follow Jesus around and ride his dick, then when he get's killed they go around and tell EVERYONE they can about it.....sounds like a bunch of fuckin drama queens and gossipers to me.....

Dick riding? Ok Miss Sixxness LOL!

Gossipers? hahahaha.
What about everyone else who "gossips" about their religious figures?

and the resurrection thing is just way too over the top, i don't know how anyone could believe that.....yeah, some devine being, that NOBODY has ever seen brought Jesus back to life because he is the Messiah? give me a fuckin break.

People witnessed his resurrection.
Did I see it?
No, but I also didn't see Columbus arrive in America.

You doubt the existance of the ultimate reality because you are not looking where you need to be.
I'm not here to debate this but just because you haven't seen him/her doesn't mean some of us haven't.

 

[NOSTRIL KING]

GODDAMN THIS FAGGOT ASS POST GOT 113 REPLIES?!?!??!?!?!?!??!

 

[MizeryU]

yeah stupid fucks like to talk about stupid ass shit

 

[miggidy]

^^^^detective EDJ is layin it down, i think its funny how ur breakin the statements of these doods who are religious but dont seem to know what theyre talkin about, keep up the good work.

Guess you haven't been readin my posts

 

[MizeryU]

like this dumb fuck whos makin posts that noone here is readin cept himself lol

 

[miggidy]

like this dumb fuck whos makin posts that noone here is readin cept himself lol

I agree, but I think is so funny that the dumb fuck doesn't even realize who he is.

Ain't that right dumb fuck????

 

[miggidy]

Can you give me the exact place where I can find it. I do remember something of that sort, but we must remember that Jesus is not dead. He is still the Man/God Jesus we know. And tho the Man is less than the God the God is equal to himself.

Hebrews 12: 2
"looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."

Hebrews 8: 1-2
"Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man."

Revelation 5: 1-7
"And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals. Then I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, "Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?" And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll, or to look at it.
So I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open and read the scroll, or to look at it. But one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals."
And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne."