THE FAKEST RELIgION

[miggidy]

THEN YOU STRESSED, "You either accept the scripture as a whole, or you don't."

I DO, DO YOU?

Yes that is why I go by The Word and not what someone else makes out of the Word.

YOU CAN'T. YOU ONLY CAN INTERPRET TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY AND CROSS REFERENCE THE TEXT AND PASSAgE FROM IT'S ORIgINAL LANgUAgES AND SEE IF THEY ARE ALL IN HARMONY.
BUT HOW DO YOU FIgURE THE WITNESSES TAKE AND ADD?

I already pointed that out. They add that Jesus's second coming took place in 1914 and they deleted hell from the bible....

I AgREE THERE'S A HEAVEN. WHO SAID N-E-THANg ABOUT A REWARD?

You do good works and you're rewarded with Heaven. Isn't that what the J.W.'s and Catholics are about?

SCRIPTURE PLEASE. BUT I KNOW HELL IS EARTH(AS IN DIRT). JUST LIKE IT WAS TOLD TO ADAM THAT IT IS DIRT HE CAME FROM, SO IT IS DIRT HE WILL gO TO. AND I KNOW YOU RECITIN' OUT OF THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS. NOW SCRIPTURE PLEASE.

Revelation 7: 1
The 7th Seal, the Seal of the Living God.
After the Seal is openned, hell on Earth is unleashed.
This is when "I" think the Spirit of God is removed from Earth.
The Spirit is the invisable force that keep everything in order (gravity, energy etc.).
They say God is the thought, Jesus the creation, and The Spirit hold everything in order.
Remember it was the Spirit that gave Jesus and his apostles the ability to heal and perform miracles.

DO YOU REALLY? I BELIEVE YOU ARE SEEIN' THE LIgHT BUT AIN'T SEEIN' THE WHOLE PICTURE CLEAR AND THAT'S WHY WE HERE DISCUSSIN' THIS.

Well the whole picture ain't complete, but I'm almost there.
Two heads are better than one aren't they?

HOW IS IT TWISTIN' IT IF IT'S SYMBOLIC? THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS IS SYMBOLIC OF THESE LAST DAYS AND WHAT'S gOIN' ON.

Even if that were the case, 144,000 is a very small number.
What do I get out of it? The 144,000 are a special people through out human history who followed Jesus's example perfectly. That's why they get to come back with Jesus in the end to fight the wicked.
Remember, they descend from the Heavens along with Jesus, and their purpose is to kick ass....

YOU STRESSED, "You're right, most of us ain't going to Heaven."

THEN WHERE ARE WE gOIN' TO?

Well at least that’s what I see from people today. Most of them have chosen Satan’s path.
We both know what awaits them for turning their backs on the Ultimate Reality….

LOL. EXCUSE ME. WHAT gOD DO YOU WORSHIP? I KNOW IT AIN'T THE SAME AS MINE CAUSE YOU TALKIN' ABOUT A SELF-CENTERED ASS MUTHA-FUKA WITH THAT TYPE OF REASONIN'. IF YOU AIN'T ALREADY KNOWIN', gOD CREATED US OUT OF LOVE. TO BE PERFECT IN HIS IMAgE, BE FRUITFUL AND SUBDUE THE EARTH. OUR MAIN PURPOSE IS TO BE HERE ON EARTH. SO WHY WOULD HE CHANgE HIS PLANS?

You are right, but what I meant is that God created us cuz he felt like it.
His plan was for us to reside on this Earth and all, just like you said.
But then we wanted to be like him (Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge),
And that’s when we were booted from the garden of Eden (the perfect World you talking about).
Shit changed ever since then, Satan fucked it up for God.
He’s been trying to dirty his seeds from day one.
It didn’t end just there, then he created the Nephilim which prompted God to wipe mankind off the face of this planet. Well except for Noah…. But Satan didn’t stop there, he enslaved his people so then came Moses.
And so onto the days of Jesus, who Herod tried to kill when he was a baby.
Satan’s been tryin to spoil God’s plan from day one. Until today man, all these different denominations are a result of Satan’s deceitful deeds….

THEN YOU STRESSED, ". But I tell you that even those are heavily flawed."

NAME THEM. YOU SURE QUIK TO SAY SHIT IS FLAWED. HAVE YOU PERSONALLY CHECCED WHAT THE RESEARCH DENOTES AND POINTS OUT?

I just named them, all that stuff is contradicted by the scripture itself.

WE SHOULD BE ON THE PHONE WITH THIS FOR REAL CAUSE I CAN ENLIgHTEN YOU WITH RESEARCH WORK. BUT YOU HAVE TO BE OPEN-MINDED ABOUT WHAT (gOD)'S WORD SAYS AND NOT JUST DEFEND WHAT YOU BEEN BROUgHT UP WITH.

My beliefs are based only on what I have learned on my own and with the guidance of the Spirit whom talks to me through the subconscious mind.

Yeah this shit would be easier over the phone but the only time I can chop it up is while I’m at work.
That’s how I find time to post here.
Maybe a few months from now, we’re currently working on our debut so I don’t even have time to eat after work.

YUP, YOU CAN EASILY JUST SEARCH FOR JEHOVAH'S WITNESS ON A SEARCH ENgINE BUT THAT WILL TAKE YOU TO ALL KIND OF SITES(INCLUDIN' THE ONES THAT HATE ON THEM AND THEY BELIEFS) BUT I'LL LINK YOU TO THEY MAIN ONE AND A FEW OTHA'S THAT WILL ANSWER N-E QUESTION YOU gOT.

I peeped out some of the links but I can’t find any info that supports their ideals.

 

[miggidy]

i do agree with that Mig, today people are so full of themselves and feel they are so superior that they dont need God.

You nailed it on it's head.
Our generation's that "know-it-all" kid who thinks he knows more than his father....

 

[miggidy]

personally i dont care what they say, i know what i believe and although i dont believe/agree with many other religeons that has nothing to do with me.

i have yet to see what is so fake about the Catholics Church , which if i recall correctly was the first church founded by Peter the Apostle?

what do you people thin k is so fake about the Catholics??

Peter was instructed to build a church.
But the church later fell under corruption, and yes it later became known as the Catholic church.
The oldest church....

But that doesn't make it any better than other Christian denominations.
You ask what's so fake about it?
For starters, what's up with all their Saint prayers?
It seems Catholics have a hard time grasping what the Holy Spirit is. Why pray to Saints? Yes some might have cured people here and there but it was all done under God's will. You pray to God....

And what's up with all the virgin Marry prayers?
Jesus never asked anyone to pray to her, he said we must pray to the Father. The Hail Marry prayer is just misinterpretation of a song found in Matthew. Catholics use this song as a prayer to Marry. Why?
You guys also think that Marry was taken to heaven in the flesh, where do you get that from?

I can go on forever but this is just for starters....

 

[MEXCOM]

I'm not going to get into this because there is never really a way to convince others but I'll try and answer these questions:

Peter was instructed to build a church.
But the church later fell under corruption, and yes it later became known as the Catholic church.
The oldest church....

Nope. The Church was never corrupt it was the people who ran it. God's message has always stayed the same.

But that doesn't make it any better than other Christian denominations.
You ask what's so fake about it?
For starters, what's up with all their Saint prayers?
It seems Catholics have a hard time grasping what the Holy Spirit is. Why pray to Saints? Yes some might have cured people here and there but it was all done under God's will. You pray to God....

You do know that ALL historic groups of Christian denominations with the exception of Protestants pray to Saints.
Secondly if you look in the bible Timothy one 2:5 states:

"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus".
BUT before that we read 2:1-4
1 I desire therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions and thanksgivings be made for all men:

2 For kings and for all that are in high station: that we may lead a quiet and a peaceable life in all piety and chastity.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour,

4 Who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
This is telling us that when we pray we should pray for ALL men. Thus we can follow logic: 1)God is the only one worthy of our prayers 2) we should not pray for others because we cannot intercede and we cannot act as mediators between God and Man because that is Jesus's job. 3) The bible tells us to pray for all men. That alone is contradictory. We cannot pray for others because we cannot act as intermediaries between God and Man, yet the bible tells us to pray for others. But what the bible is really telling us is that we should be urged to pray for others, although we cannot be intermediaries Jesus will listen to our prayers and give them to God. When we pray to saint's we don't pray to a saint we ask them for help and ask them to pray with us. Praying to a saint is no different than asking a friend to pray for your mom when she is in the hospital, because neither of them are mediators

And what's up with all the virgin Marry prayers?
Jesus never asked anyone to pray to her, he said we must pray to the Father. The Hail Marry prayer is just misinterpretation of a song found in Matthew. Catholics use this song as a prayer to Marry. Why?

We honor Mary don't worship her, those are lies people come up with. We ask her for help in the same way as we do with Saints to ask them to help us pray so that it reaches Jesus and God. Look at prayer in a dictionary.
1)To petition God or any other religious diety
Mary is not a diety we ask her for help in that Jesus and God may better hear our prayers.

You guys also think that Marry was taken to heaven in the flesh, where do you get that from?

I can go on forever but this is just for starters....

I believe that since she was sinless she was taken up to Heaven, she wouldn't be the only one to go to Heaven that was not dead and wasn't Christ. I might have fucked up or mis-stated some of my points but I rushed this and just wanted to offer some insight into the Catholic Church. Again I am not going to respond because this argument is fruitless, just lots and lots of shit talking.

 

[miggidy]

^^^^
First off, yes it was the people in the church who became corrupt. But remember what split the church in half? Why there was a Protestant movement?
The Catholic church attempted to add a few lines to the scripture.

Now as far as praying for others, I won't argue there.
But I have a problem when people start praying to these Siants for help or what ever the reason is. God says to pray for our enemies and those in need. He doesn't say to pray to other people when he need help.
Yet so many Catholics have more faith for Saints than they do for God himself. I've seen it man, I've been to Mexico. Every village has their own Saint whom they pray to. Not to mention the virgin Marry whom every Catholic prays to.

"We honor Mary don't worship her, those are lies people come up with. We ask her for help in the same way as we do with Saints to ask them to help us pray so that it reaches Jesus and God. Look at prayer in a dictionary.
1)To petition God or any other religious diety
Mary is not a diety we ask her for help in that Jesus and God may better hear our prayers."

Ummm.... no.... That contradicts the scripture. Jesus says that we can all have a personal relationship with God.
Remember what he said about the hypocritical pharasees?
What's done in darkness will come to light. There's nothing that goes with out God knowing. There for he listens to all our prayers, whether he responds or not, that's a different story....

I tell you from personal experience, God will always answer your prayers if you are faithfull. What did Jesus tell those whom he helped? He said, "You shall be healed according to your faith"....

"I believe that since she was sinless she was taken up to Heaven, she wouldn't be the only one to go to Heaven that was not dead and wasn't Christ. I might have fucked up or mis-stated some of my points but I rushed this and just wanted to offer some insight into the Catholic Church. Again I am not going to respond because this argument is fruitless, just lots and lots of shit talking."

This is not an argument. It is a discussion.
And I feel it is fruitful because it's my "opinion" that a lot of members of the Catholic church know very little about biblical facts. From what I've seen, most Catholics know only what the church tells them.
Now let me ask you, where in the scripture does it say Marry was taken to Heaven in the flesh?
You're right, Jesus wasn't the only one taken to Heaven in the flesh, you know who else was?
Enoch....

 

[m.w.merlino]

^^^as far as all this is concerned im stayin out of it, for the obvious reason that i believe them all to be "fake" in one way or another, and saying that the "kids" of today think they know it all and question religion, whats wrong with questioning something you dont KNOW is there? maybe i never "felt" the holy spirit or really experienced something to keep me to being christian all my life but i know my faith ended when i had the mental capacity to think outside the confines of the teachings of the bible and question what i was RAISED to believe in.

 

[miggidy]

There's nothing wrong with questionnin anything.
That's what I did and it lead me here.
Jesus said, "seek and you shall find"....

 

[Psilo707]

I guess Im officially a Christian. I was baptized and all that.

But Christianity/Catholicism is definitely the fakest. Heaven, lol, what a joke.

You guys are wasting your time with religion. Think for yourselves.

Want to know what its like to be dead? Well, think back to before you were born. How did it feel? There's your answer.

 

[Mcleanhatch]

You ask what's so fake about it?

For starters, what's up with all their Saint prayers?

as i recall we dont pray TO the saints. The Saints are just a medium to which to communicate to God, much as you would take a lawyer to court to speak on your behalf to the Judge.

You ask what's so fake about it?

You guys also think that Marry was taken to heaven in the flesh, where do you get that from?

first time i ever heard of that.

 

[miggidy]

Want me to post some of these prayers?

 

[Mcleanhatch]

But remember what split the church in half? Why there was a Protestant movement?

i always thought it was because of King James and him wanting to Divorce his wife and marry another??? or something like that

Yet so many Catholics have more faith for Saints than they do for God himself.

i can believe that, because i have seen that also.

 

[MEXCOM]

i always thought it was because of King James and him wanting to Divorce his wife and marry another??? or something like that

Basically what I thought. Didn't he also change the bible to his best interest?

 

[m.w.merlino]

There's nothing wrong with questionnin anything.
That's what I did and it lead me here.
Jesus said, "seek and you shall find"....

i actually really wonder what seperates people from being atheist or religious, if it goes beyond intelligence, mode of thinking, level of brain activity etc. im spritual in other ways, i still believe having a soul/conscience whatever you wanna call it, hopefully theres something after death because this government works us like slaves, 40 hours a week...fuck that bullshit, cant retire till im like 60?? i cant believe people settle for that shit, there better be an enjoyable afterlife.

 

[EDJ]

MIggIDY,

YOU STRESSED, "LOL! That's the Jehova Witnesses bible.
Miss me with corrputed scripture."

I KNEW YOU WAS gONNA COME AT ME THAT WAY AND THAT'S WHY I REFERRED YOU TO THT SITE. I THOUgHT YOU WASN'T ONE OF THEM TYPE OF PEOPLES?
IF YOU REALLY MUST KNOW, THAT'S NOT A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS SITE.
XCONDLY,
THAT'S JUST A BIBLE SITE AND YOU CAN BASICALLY SEARCH WHAT BIBLE VERSION TO LOOK AT SCRIPTURE. I LOOKED FOR THE TEXT YOU gAVE IN THE KINg JAMES VERSION AND AMERICAN BIBLE VERSION AND BOTH DIDN'T HAVE THAT TEXT. THE LAST VERSE IS 25. THERE AIN'T NO VERSE 26 OR 27. SO I MADE SURE I WAS LOOKIN' JUST IN CASE YOU TRY TO ACCUSE ME THAT THE BIBLE I USE IS CORRUPT. SO BASICALLY, MISS ME WITH THAT SHIT PLAYA. DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU START gIVIN' TEXTS THAT AIN'T IN THE SCRIPTURES. SO IF IT IS AN ACTUAL SCRIPTURE(JOHN 2:26, 27) THEN WHAT DOES IT READ? THAT'S WHY REPEATEDLY ASKED WHAT IT SAID AND YOU NEVA ANSWERED.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I'm saying is that we have archeological facts to back up the New Testiment, while JW's just have theories.
Peep that New World Translation version they use, it isn't true to the original scripture.
It's similar to the Catholic bible...."

FIFTY FIRST OF ALL,
gET OFF YOUR HIgH HORSE AND QUIT TRYIN' TO MAKE IT A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS VERSUS REAL CHRISTIANITY ISSUE.
XCONDLY,
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS BELIEVE IN N-E ARCHEOLOgICAL FACTS THAT RELATE TO THE SCRIPTURES.
THIRDLY,
WHAT IS THE ORIgINAL SCRIPTURE YOU TALK ABOUT THAT YOU CLAIM JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AIN'T TRUE TO?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "And that is the problem that I have with every Christian denomination. They all forget that Jesus said there will be "other" sheep...."

AND WHAT IS THE OTHA SHEEP? WHO IS JESUS REFFERIN' TO? HOW YOU KNOW?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "You know this. They didn't know how to pronounce it so they "practically" took a stab at the dark...."

I KNOW WHAT? HOW YOU KNOW THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE IT? SHOW ME YOUR RESEARCH WORK. SHOW ME YOUR PROOF.
AND THEY KNEW (gOD) HAS A PERSONAL NAME AND LOOKED IT UP, UNLIKE SOME WHO THINK THE TITLE "gOD" IS HIS NAME.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "It's reffering to idols, read on and it says there is one God....
See what is says about Jesus, it says he's our Lord
This is the shit I was telling Heresy, Jesus is our Lord because he was our savior. He was the Son of God, but became our savior after the sacrifice which later granted him the Lord status.
Anyways, that's what I get out of it so far...."

SO WHAT ARE YOU DEBATIN' HERE? IT CLEARLY STATES MY POINT. AND WHAT WAS HERESY SAYIN'?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Can't argue with that, I agree that Jesus is the Son of God, but not God himself.
At least I don't see that just yet.
But I see him like you see him, a team?
That's what the Holy Trinity is...."

THE TRINITY DOESN'T EXIST. THE BIBLE NEVA LABELED THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE FATHER AND SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "King James version. Actually I read the New King James version cuz that other shit gives me a head ache."

FUNNY HOW THE KINg JAMES VERSION DOESN'T HAVE THE TEXT YOU gAVE ME TO READ.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "It's some where in Acts.
It struck me cuz I think it's the only time the New Testiment makes that connection."

BE MORE PRECISE IF YOU WANT ME TO LOOK IT UP AND SEE WHAT YOU STRESSIN'.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "That there is exactly what I mean when I say that you don't understand what hell is and it's purpose."

HELP ME UNDA-STAND THEN IF YOU SO CONVINCED OF YOUR CONVICTIONS. THE TRUTH WILL OPEN MY EYES RIgHT?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "It's hard for you to understand because you come from a Jehova Witnesses foundation, you have this belief that only a few will get a ticket into heaven. There for the rest who don't make it will be erased after death."

NOT TRUE. AS A BABY I WAS BAPTIZED AS A CATHOLIC. MY PEOPLE WERE CATHOLIC. BUT THEY WERE PREACHED THE TRUTH AND WERE "SHOWN" THAT CONCEPTS OF HELL ARE FAKE AS WELL AS MANY CATHOLIC TEACHINgS AND BELIEFS.
AND THOSE WHO DON'T MAKE IT TO HEAVEN HAVE AN EARTHLY DESTINATION(CAUSE MAN WAS MADE TO BE ON EARTH, NOT TO BE IN HEAVEN). YOU TO CLINgED ON TO THE BELIEF THAT EVERYBODY THAT DOES (gOD)'S WILL WILL gO TO HEAVEN.


THEN YOU STRESSED, "You see how that doesn't make sense? How can God fry those who remain here on Earth? From your perspective, it doesn't seem fair (and I don't blame you for feeling that way)."

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE HOW YOU INTERPRETIN' AND SEEIN' THANgS. I NEVA SAID THE REST ON EARTH ARE FRIED WHILE ONLY A SELECT FEW gO TO HEAVEN. QUIT TRYIN' TO ASSUME AND PUT VIEWS OFF ON ME.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Yes Heaven is hard to find but those who miss out only have themselves to blame.
Those who remain on Earth after the Spirit is lifted will burn."

WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THAT?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "But these will be people who rebelled against the creator and joined the Satan and the fallen angels.
That is what hell is, it is a place for Satan, his Demons, and God's creation whom back stabbed him."

THAT'S NOT HELL. THAT'S THE ABYSS. THE XCOND DEATH. WHAT IS THE THE HEBREW AND gREEK WORD FOR HELL?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Don't blame God, he sent his only begotten Son to deliver us from damnation but these people still decided to live wicked lives...."

WHO'S BLAMIN' (gOD)?

 

[MEXCOM]

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Can't argue with that, I agree that Jesus is the Son of God, but not God himself.
At least I don't see that just yet.
But I see him like you see him, a team?
That's what the Holy Trinity is...."

THE TRINITY DOESN'T EXIST. THE BIBLE NEVA LABELED THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE FATHER AND SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.

You're both Wrong. God is Jesus, Jesus is God, God is the holy spirit, Jesus is the holy Spirit and they are all equal.
Read The first John 5:7.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "King James version. Actually I read the New King James version cuz that other shit gives me a head ache."

FUNNY HOW THE KINg JAMES VERSION DOESN'T HAVE THE TEXT YOU gAVE ME TO READ.

Migg are you reffering to the Old Kings James bible or the New Kings James bible? I really don't know why there are two but which one did you find that passage in?

 

[miggidy]

1 John 5: 7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

There's your Trinity EDJ....

@SJN, I always said that the biblical scripture's view of God is not of a single entity. But of a trinity of three. All three make up the biblical God....

 

[MEXCOM]

Miggidy you said:
"Can't argue with that, I agree that Jesus is the Son of God, but not God himself.
At least I don't see that just yet.
But I see him like you see him, a team?
That's what the Holy Trinity is...."
God is not a single entity he is a trinity of three. But since he is all three all three are equals because he is all. Just looke at 1 John 5:7 like I said before. It states there that all 3 are one. So if they are all one then they are all equal and Jesus is God.

 

[miggidy]

Yeah but they are seperate entities right?

Which explains why Jesus prayed to the Father while he was down here on Earth.
Jesus was not praying to himself.
Also remember what Jesus said about the throne?
He says he sits to the left of the Father.

 

[MEXCOM]

Well yes God is 3 seperate entities, but that DOES NOT mean there are 3 Gods. Hence we can logically assume that since God is one, yet he is composed of three, all are equal because if they were not then One part of God would be superior to the Other 2 making the other 2 lesser Gods but they are all equal. Although Jesus is the Son he is still God. How do you know when Jesus was on earth he didn't just pray to himself as an example of what we have to do?

 

[MEXCOM]

Also Miggidy look at this link:
http://home.earthlink.net/~truth/sec5-3JCGod.html
good insight into God and Jesus.