Well, presumably, those 10,000 are among the several millions that have been sick, while the swine flu kills 1 out of 10. However, it is not like everyone with a running nose gets a complete metagenomic scan of his lungs (actually noone does except for the several people who participate in studies dedicated to this) so the number of people who have swine flu and are just fine is most certainly much greater than the 2000 reported cases
Swine Flu Offical Thread
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Saying definitively either way that this flu was man made or not is illogical because no one here can know with absolute certainty what that truth is.
Having said that and after everything I have read about this virus, it doesn't seem all that unlikely that a strain of flu passed from birds to pigs to humans. I also have not seen a compelling argument as to why the government would create and then release this form of influenza in Mexico. Whether or not there is a conspiracy behind all this or not, it does get somewhat old that every time something unusual comes to a large scale a conspiracy is suggested.
For any of the reasons suggested by conspiracy theorists the government could have easily created something much more effective than what we are currently experiencing.
Having said that and after everything I have read about this virus, it doesn't seem all that unlikely that a strain of flu passed from birds to pigs to humans. I also have not seen a compelling argument as to why the government would create and then release this form of influenza in Mexico. Whether or not there is a conspiracy behind all this or not, it does get somewhat old that every time something unusual comes to a large scale a conspiracy is suggested.
For any of the reasons suggested by conspiracy theorists the government could have easily created something much more effective than what we are currently experiencing.
Im just tired of all the "the boogey man is gonna get you", BS that is always on the Boob Tube. Everyday "the sky is falling"!!!!! This is probably why the American population is addicted to Weed, Alcohol, Narcotics, Prescriptions, and other type of escapism behavior because there is such a prevalent fear of everything. I mean GodDamn, Global Warming, Collision with a rougue Asteroid, Pollution, Landfill Overflow, blah, blah, yada, yada. It makes think of the saying "If you have nothing good to say, don't say nothing at all". Media Outlets NEVER say anything good, so I hear but im not listening. :ermm:
Some of these threats are real. The trick is to be educated enough to be able the distinguish the actual threat from the boogey man. Or at least, if you're not, to trust the knowledgeable people who have dedicated their life to studying the subject. Neither of these is true in the US - people are dumb as fuck and in the same time are hostile to experts.
Only 7 swine flu deaths, not 152, says WHO
April 29, 2009
A member of the World Health Organisation (WHO) has dismissed claims that more than 150 people have died from swine flu, saying it has officially recorded only seven deaths around the world.
Vivienne Allan, from WHO's patient safety program, said the body had confirmed that worldwide there had been just seven deaths - all in Mexico - and 79 confirmed cases of the disease.
"Unfortunately that [150-plus deaths] is incorrect information and it does happen, but that's not information that's come from the World Health Organisation," Ms Allan told ABC Radio today.
"That figure is not a figure that's come from the World Health Organisation and, I repeat, the death toll is seven and they are all from Mexico."
Ms Allan said WHO had confirmed 40 cases of swine flu in the Americas, 26 in Mexico, six in Canada, two in Spain, two in Britain and three in New Zealand.
Ms Allan said it was difficult to measure how fast the virus was spreading.
She said a real concern would be if the flu virus manifested in a country where a person had had no contact with Mexico, and authorities were watching all countries for signs of that.
"There is no pattern that has emerged at this stage to be able to say that it is spreading in a particular way or it is spreading into a particular country ... the situation is continuing to evolve," she said.
She said the WHO was not recommending against overseas travel, but urged those who felt sick to stay home and others to ensure they kept their hands clean.
No decision had yet been made about vaccinations.
"This virus is not airborne, it's caused by droplets ... so it's not a time for worry. It's a time to be prepared," Ms Allan said.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/only-7-swine-flu-deaths-not-152-says-who-20090429-aml1.html
April 29, 2009
A member of the World Health Organisation (WHO) has dismissed claims that more than 150 people have died from swine flu, saying it has officially recorded only seven deaths around the world.
Vivienne Allan, from WHO's patient safety program, said the body had confirmed that worldwide there had been just seven deaths - all in Mexico - and 79 confirmed cases of the disease.
"Unfortunately that [150-plus deaths] is incorrect information and it does happen, but that's not information that's come from the World Health Organisation," Ms Allan told ABC Radio today.
"That figure is not a figure that's come from the World Health Organisation and, I repeat, the death toll is seven and they are all from Mexico."
Ms Allan said WHO had confirmed 40 cases of swine flu in the Americas, 26 in Mexico, six in Canada, two in Spain, two in Britain and three in New Zealand.
Ms Allan said it was difficult to measure how fast the virus was spreading.
She said a real concern would be if the flu virus manifested in a country where a person had had no contact with Mexico, and authorities were watching all countries for signs of that.
"There is no pattern that has emerged at this stage to be able to say that it is spreading in a particular way or it is spreading into a particular country ... the situation is continuing to evolve," she said.
She said the WHO was not recommending against overseas travel, but urged those who felt sick to stay home and others to ensure they kept their hands clean.
No decision had yet been made about vaccinations.
"This virus is not airborne, it's caused by droplets ... so it's not a time for worry. It's a time to be prepared," Ms Allan said.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/only-7-swine-flu-deaths-not-152-says-who-20090429-aml1.html
Influenza A(H1N1) - update 6
30 April 2009 -- The situation continues to evolve rapidly. As of 17:00 GMT, 30 April 2009, 11 countries have officially reported 257 cases of influenza A (H1N1) infection.
The United States Government has reported 109 laboratory confirmed human cases, including one death. Mexico has reported 97 confirmed human cases of infection, including seven deaths.
The following countries have reported laboratory confirmed cases with no deaths - Austria (1), Canada (19), Germany (3), Israel (2), Netherlands (1), New Zealand (3), Spain (13), Switzerland (1) and the United Kingdom (8).
Further information on the situation will be available on the WHO website on a regular basis.
WHO advises no restriction of regular travel or closure of borders. It is considered prudent for people who are ill to delay international travel and for people developing symptoms following international travel to seek medical attention, in line with guidance from national authorities.
There is also no risk of infection from this virus from consumption of well-cooked pork and pork products. Individuals are advised to wash hands thoroughly with soap and water on a regular basis and should seek medical attention if they develop any symptoms of influenza-like illness.
30 April 2009 -- The situation continues to evolve rapidly. As of 17:00 GMT, 30 April 2009, 11 countries have officially reported 257 cases of influenza A (H1N1) infection.
The United States Government has reported 109 laboratory confirmed human cases, including one death. Mexico has reported 97 confirmed human cases of infection, including seven deaths.
The following countries have reported laboratory confirmed cases with no deaths - Austria (1), Canada (19), Germany (3), Israel (2), Netherlands (1), New Zealand (3), Spain (13), Switzerland (1) and the United Kingdom (8).
Further information on the situation will be available on the WHO website on a regular basis.
WHO advises no restriction of regular travel or closure of borders. It is considered prudent for people who are ill to delay international travel and for people developing symptoms following international travel to seek medical attention, in line with guidance from national authorities.
There is also no risk of infection from this virus from consumption of well-cooked pork and pork products. Individuals are advised to wash hands thoroughly with soap and water on a regular basis and should seek medical attention if they develop any symptoms of influenza-like illness.
^^^
Nice, I'mma use that one. (edit: referring to 1st joke at top of page)
The reason one shouldn't rule out H1N1 aka Swine Flu as man made is b/c hundreds of people die annually from the regular flu and it's no big deal. If gov't is really flippin' out about this stuff, you know they have the inside track and know something fucked....
Nice, I'mma use that one. (edit: referring to 1st joke at top of page)
The reason one shouldn't rule out H1N1 aka Swine Flu as man made is b/c hundreds of people die annually from the regular flu and it's no big deal. If gov't is really flippin' out about this stuff, you know they have the inside track and know something fucked....
Influenza A(H1N1) - update 7
1 May 2009 -- The situation continues to evolve rapidly. As of 06:00 GMT, 1 May 2009, 11 countries have officially reported 331 cases of influenza A(H1N1) infection.
The United States Government has reported 109 laboratory confirmed human cases, including one death. Mexico has reported 156 confirmed human cases of infection, including nine deaths.
The following countries have reported laboratory confirmed cases with no deaths - Austria (1), Canada (34), Germany (3), Israel (2), Netherlands (1), New Zealand (3), Spain (13), Switzerland (1) and the United Kingdom (8).
Further information on the situation will be available on the WHO website on a regular basis. WHO advises no restriction of regular travel or closure of borders. It is considered prudent for people who are ill to delay international travel and for people developing symptoms following international travel to seek medical attention, in line with guidance from national authorities.
There is also no risk of infection from this virus from consumption of well-cooked pork and pork products. Individuals are advised to wash hands thoroughly with soap and water on a regular basis and should seek medical attention if they develop any symptoms of influenza-like illness.
1 May 2009 -- The situation continues to evolve rapidly. As of 06:00 GMT, 1 May 2009, 11 countries have officially reported 331 cases of influenza A(H1N1) infection.
The United States Government has reported 109 laboratory confirmed human cases, including one death. Mexico has reported 156 confirmed human cases of infection, including nine deaths.
The following countries have reported laboratory confirmed cases with no deaths - Austria (1), Canada (34), Germany (3), Israel (2), Netherlands (1), New Zealand (3), Spain (13), Switzerland (1) and the United Kingdom (8).
Further information on the situation will be available on the WHO website on a regular basis. WHO advises no restriction of regular travel or closure of borders. It is considered prudent for people who are ill to delay international travel and for people developing symptoms following international travel to seek medical attention, in line with guidance from national authorities.
There is also no risk of infection from this virus from consumption of well-cooked pork and pork products. Individuals are advised to wash hands thoroughly with soap and water on a regular basis and should seek medical attention if they develop any symptoms of influenza-like illness.
News for you - R-E-A-D the post and hit the link that contains the original report. So let me ask you this, before we go any further, do you understand my premise and what I'm conveying or implying in this thread? If not, what areas do you need clarification on? I ask this because you keep missing the point I'm making even though things are staring you right in the face, so maybe if I take the time to answer your questions, you'll get it. And yes, I know what role hypercytokinemia (cytokine storm) play in the death of young males. I learned that in a previous bio class.
WTF? Do you know how much Rumsfeld and Galied ranked in when bush jr gave us the bird flu warning? Better yet, do you understand the company is ranked in the Fortune 500 and in 2008, had revenue that exceeded $5 billion?
WTF? Do you know how much Rumsfeld and Galied ranked in when bush jr gave us the bird flu warning? Better yet, do you understand the company is ranked in the Fortune 500 and in 2008, had revenue that exceeded $5 billion?
Influenza A(H1N1) - update 8
1 May 2009 -- The situation continues to evolve. As of 19:00 GMT, 1 May 2009, 13 countries have officially reported 365 cases of influenza A(H1N1) infection.
The United States Government has reported 141 laboratory confirmed human cases, including one death. Mexico has reported 156 confirmed human cases of infection, including nine deaths.
The following countries have reported laboratory confirmed cases with no deaths - Austria (1), Canada (34), China, Hong Kong, Special Administrative Region (1), Denmark (1), Germany (3), Israel (2), Netherlands (1), New Zealand (3), Spain (13), Switzerland (1) and the United Kingdom (8).
Further information on the situation will be available on the WHO website on a regular basis.
WHO advises no restriction of regular travel or closure of borders. It is considered prudent for people who are ill to delay international travel and for people developing symptoms following international travel to seek medical attention, in line with guidance from national authorities.
There is also no risk of infection from this virus from consumption of well-cooked pork and pork products. Individuals are advised to wash hands thoroughly with soap and water on a regular basis and should seek medical attention if they develop any symptoms of influenza-like illness.
1 May 2009 -- The situation continues to evolve. As of 19:00 GMT, 1 May 2009, 13 countries have officially reported 365 cases of influenza A(H1N1) infection.
The United States Government has reported 141 laboratory confirmed human cases, including one death. Mexico has reported 156 confirmed human cases of infection, including nine deaths.
The following countries have reported laboratory confirmed cases with no deaths - Austria (1), Canada (34), China, Hong Kong, Special Administrative Region (1), Denmark (1), Germany (3), Israel (2), Netherlands (1), New Zealand (3), Spain (13), Switzerland (1) and the United Kingdom (8).
Further information on the situation will be available on the WHO website on a regular basis.
WHO advises no restriction of regular travel or closure of borders. It is considered prudent for people who are ill to delay international travel and for people developing symptoms following international travel to seek medical attention, in line with guidance from national authorities.
There is also no risk of infection from this virus from consumption of well-cooked pork and pork products. Individuals are advised to wash hands thoroughly with soap and water on a regular basis and should seek medical attention if they develop any symptoms of influenza-like illness.
Six in one hand...
I'll give you a brief explanation on why what you just typed was a waste of time.
1. Knowing america has a history of creating weapons, and using them on it's own people, and others, it doesn't seem unlikely that this is man made.
2. Knowing people were talking about a man made flu virus at least five years prior to this would should at least warrant some concern. Again, it doesn't seem unlikely that this is man made. Also note, the people saying this are involved in the field of genetics, bio-weapons, etc.
3. The leaders of this country previously said Avian Bird Flu would kill 200,000 - 2 million people and ordered 80 million doses of tamiflu. The government ordered 20 million doses at $100 per dose. That's $2 billion, and who was it that stood to benefit from this? Gilead, but more specifically, Donald Rumsfeld, the guy who was the chairman for four years and still has major holdings with the company. Knowing our countries history, and all the false flags they have given the public, would it be unlikely that this was done for money?
4. We have an issue with our borders. It is dialectic at it's finest and would make total sense to do something like this IF it were done to close the borders. People would not stand to close the borders if nothing was going on, however, with a health crisis, no one would exactly question the closing of the borders would they? No. Why not? Because it's for your health and well being to close them. Again, thesis, antithesis, synthesis what more do you need?
5. When you said, "For any of the reasons suggested by conspiracy theorists the government could have easily created something much more effective than what we are currently experiencing." you left out a major ingredient of your argument. First off, you just acknowledged the government is capable of creating something much more effective, knowing this to be true, what do YOU feel the government could have made that is much more effective? Also, another major error is you're basing it on what we're currently experiencing. What if the Iceberg model changes and more people experience the most severe symptoms or sickness?
6. Finally, "Mexico's top government epidemiologist said Wednesday that it is "highly improbable" that a farm in the Mexican state of Veracruz operated by Smithfield Foods Inc. is responsible for the nation's swine-flu outbreak." Which leads us to this question, is this guy incorrect in his findings? If so, have any independent bodies outside of the Mexcian and american labs tested the pigs? If he is not incorrect, or the test run by american labs said it didn't start in some small town in Mexico, we're back to square one--which is--where did this come from?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124105320874371313.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
I'll give you a brief explanation on why what you just typed was a waste of time.
1. Knowing america has a history of creating weapons, and using them on it's own people, and others, it doesn't seem unlikely that this is man made.
2. Knowing people were talking about a man made flu virus at least five years prior to this would should at least warrant some concern. Again, it doesn't seem unlikely that this is man made. Also note, the people saying this are involved in the field of genetics, bio-weapons, etc.
3. The leaders of this country previously said Avian Bird Flu would kill 200,000 - 2 million people and ordered 80 million doses of tamiflu. The government ordered 20 million doses at $100 per dose. That's $2 billion, and who was it that stood to benefit from this? Gilead, but more specifically, Donald Rumsfeld, the guy who was the chairman for four years and still has major holdings with the company. Knowing our countries history, and all the false flags they have given the public, would it be unlikely that this was done for money?
4. We have an issue with our borders. It is dialectic at it's finest and would make total sense to do something like this IF it were done to close the borders. People would not stand to close the borders if nothing was going on, however, with a health crisis, no one would exactly question the closing of the borders would they? No. Why not? Because it's for your health and well being to close them. Again, thesis, antithesis, synthesis what more do you need?
5. When you said, "For any of the reasons suggested by conspiracy theorists the government could have easily created something much more effective than what we are currently experiencing." you left out a major ingredient of your argument. First off, you just acknowledged the government is capable of creating something much more effective, knowing this to be true, what do YOU feel the government could have made that is much more effective? Also, another major error is you're basing it on what we're currently experiencing. What if the Iceberg model changes and more people experience the most severe symptoms or sickness?
6. Finally, "Mexico's top government epidemiologist said Wednesday that it is "highly improbable" that a farm in the Mexican state of Veracruz operated by Smithfield Foods Inc. is responsible for the nation's swine-flu outbreak." Which leads us to this question, is this guy incorrect in his findings? If so, have any independent bodies outside of the Mexcian and american labs tested the pigs? If he is not incorrect, or the test run by american labs said it didn't start in some small town in Mexico, we're back to square one--which is--where did this come from?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124105320874371313.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
http://www.wpxi.com/video/19313969/index.html
The above is a link to a video interview of Dr. Henry Niman.
The above is a link to a video interview of Dr. Henry Niman.